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[Oxigen_Waste]

Of course a guy with a generic avatar does not enjoy depth in manga.

Right, 'cause when discussing depth in manga, the top candidates would obviously be OP Naruto Bleach and the like. oO

And I especially like the fact that Mushishi is apparently generic.

Unless I misuderstood your tone, in which case I'm sorry (but not really).

 

[Kusagari]

I can understand the reasoning but how its portrayed makes me not convinced at all since the older generation were pretty fucking OP.

It's pretty bullshit. Madara > all the current Kage's combined and Hashirama apparently shits on everyone according to Kabuto.

 

[Dedication Through Light]

I think he try to show that in the war with Gaara also with Shikamaru but yeah it's Naruto and Sasuke that going to be god level.

The SH have never stick since near first few arc of OP.

The most memorable non battle moments have been when their all together on the Going Merry/Thousand Sunny interacting with each other, laughing, or just in shock, you know? Itd be nice if there were more of it. For battles, well with the week trio, its understandable why they would be split up then, not really thinking of them when theres any battle.

DTL is seriously grasping at straws to hate on One Piece. No surprised there

I mean, I do like One Piece, I have one piece avys afterall, I just like it when they stay and interact with each other.

 

[Diablos54]

We just saw Hinata two chapters ago vowing to when she sees Naruto, to tell him her feelings, we saw the others then, and they had a fight in the war, and they had involvement in the summit, and they had involvement in Pain.

Involvement in the summit = running around with Naruto if I remember right.
Involvement with Pain = Standing there while Kakashi dies.

I wouldn't call either of those 'involvement'. They offered nothing of value which couldn't have been done with some fodder ninjas.

We do not see all of the Straw Hats each week, during the war, they litrally vanished from the scene for like over a year almost two,

The war was the exception, not the rule.

and worst, the straw hats barely stay together all at once, for example, Luffy was separated for so long from them on Fishman Island and now in this arc, the crew is split in half.

A crew is supposed to stay together, not split up.

It is? Because a crew sticking together at all times sounds pretty stupid to me. Plus if that happened, things would move much slower and there'd be less development for each SH.

 

[flawfuls]

But is it as good?

Not really. This one almost feels like an artbook. There is a story there, but it kinda takes a backseat to the artwork. But hey it's got a nice soothing tone and is easy on the eyes so I thought it was a pleasant read.

I'm not sure if I prefer the artwork in this or the more detailed black and white original though.

 

[Cwarrior]

filler villan characters like Danzo was such an after thought, he wanted to be hokage so much but when the 3th died they where desperately looking for a new hokage(so much so they even picked a woman) yet he was no where to be cause he didn't exist.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Naruto villains had meaning and purpose? Outside of Itachi, Orochimaru, Pein, and Tobi that's....lol.

Danzo, Zabuza, Kisame, Conan (through Pain´s flashback), Diedara, Gaara.

 

[Freshmaker]

His purpose is to be Orochimaru without being Orochimaru.

Orochimaru had a point though. Kabuto doesn't.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Not really. This one almost feels like an artbook. There is a story there, but it kinda takes a backseat to the artwork. But hey it's got a nice soothing tone and is easy on the eyes so I thought it was a pleasant read.
I'm not sure if I prefer the artwork in this or the more detailed black and white original though.

that's looks pretty good.

It's pretty bullshit. Madara > all the current Kage's combined and Hashirama apparently shits on everyone according to Kabuto.

None of the battles made me convinced and even if you say their beliefs are stronger, i still don't buy it.

filler villan characters like Danzo was such an after thought, he wanted to be hokage so much but when the 4th died they where desperately looking for a new hokage yet he was no where to be cause he didn't exist.

I always wondered why he didn't show up then?

was the 3rd that broken

Orochimaru had a point though. Kabuto doesn't.

I might not have liked Oro's goal since its the usual villain stuff but at least he had a point so I agree (unless Kabuto is the new vessel for Oro's return)

 

[Diablos54]

Orochimaru had a point though. Kabuto doesn't.

His point is to make stat cards on everyone. That and a way to bring Orochimaru back (I can hope, at least...)

 

[PK Gaming]

It's pretty bullshit. Madara > all the current Kage's combined and Hashirama apparently shits on everyone according to Kabuto.

I think an exception should be made for those 2. Madara and Hashirama are basically the god of shinobi, and Kabuto's basically fused them together. I'd be surprised if he WASN'T wiping the floor with them.

 

[Cwarrior]

the one piece ending oda wrote exists

 

[survivor]

Not really. This one almost feels like an artbook. There is a story there, but it kinda takes a backseat to the artwork. But hey it's got a nice soothing tone and is easy on the eyes so I thought it was a pleasant read.

I'm not sure if I prefer the artwork in this or the more detailed black and white original though.

The colouring looks pretty good. It's not that long so I will still read it. I liked Omoide Emanon a lot so I won't pass on this one.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Orochimaru had a point though. Kabuto doesn't.

We know Kabuto just there to be Orochimaru 2.0 since he got seal and can't come back out .
Problem is he sucks compare to Orochimaru in every way .

 

[El Sloth]

Anyone else here read/has read Boys on the Run? Just curious.

Cage of Eden: 137-141

Looks like my guess is going to turn out to be correct. Psychic chick's vision is totally Sengoku and Akira fighting off the animals.

I'm guessing we'll also eventually be seeing that "Satan" dude (who hasn't shown up since fucking around with Sengoku's best friend, Kou) at the Residential Tower. Maybe with another pack of survivors. Cue more tension and fighting. Any sort of Residential Tower arc is way off in the future though.

 

[Cwarrior]

that's looks pretty great.

I always wondered why he didn't show up then?

was the 3rd that broken

I might not have liked Oro's goal since its the usual villain stuff but at least he had a point so I agree

wrong hokage I mean 3rd they had a whole shitty arc about finding a new hokage.

 

[Infinite Justice]

wrong hokage I mean 3rd they had a whole shitty arc about find a new hokage, danzo could of easly become hokage.

Well in that case the first sentence still stands. lol

 

[Griffith]

RRR

Glad to see I was wrong and they all survived the crash.

Asahina's going to be the one who caused Iwamaki's sister to crash, the car involved looks really similar to the one he currently has.

 

[flawfuls]

Anyone else here read/has read Boys on the Run? Just curious.

I am planning on waiting for it to end before I start, but I will probably break down and start reading it before then.

 

[Kusagari]

We know Kabuto just there to be Orochimaru 2.0 since he got seal and can't come back out .
Problem is he sucks compare to Orochimaru in every way .

He's like a shitty version of Aizen. All he does is smirk every chapter as he gloats about how great he is; while camping 5000 miles away.

 

[Vox-Pop]

DTL, never change.

 

[Freshmaker]

We know Kabuto just there to be Orochimaru 2.0 since he got seal and can't come back out .
Problem is he sucks compare to Orochimaru in every way .

The whole ninja war is also pretty much entirely his fault since he's singlehandedly supplying the troops. (Black and white Zesty just kinda stopped being relevant...)

Tobi asked him why he was helping and Kabuto says "LOL" in response.

So he's responsible for derailing the story, and he's being coy about why. For no damn reason.

 

[El Sloth]

I am planning on waiting for it to end before I start, but I will probably break down and start reading it before then.

I really wanted to stop my self from continuing when I saw there were 10 volumes in total and it's only been translated up to the 3rd, but my will is weak and the story and art really resonate with me for whatever reason despite neither being the very best. I just find everything about it so likable. I was mostly just asking to see if anyone else thinks the comic is as good as I do or if I'm actually just crazy.

I say that, but stay strong and wait it out, man. The guy translating it seems to be going at a pretty decent pace.

 

[Verelios]

RRR

Glad to see I was wrong and they all survived the crash.

Asahina's going to be the one who caused Iwamaki's sister to crash, the car involved looks really similar to the one he currently has.

Wasn't that just Riki having a nightmare?

But I like the pacing of the story, and feel that it has good depth. Like the early workings of Ippo. Except obviously moving much faster.

 

[iavi]

Anyone else here read/has read Boys on the Run? Just curious.

There's a few of us in here reading it, I'm pretty sure.

E: beeeeaaaten

 

[Griffith]

Wasn't that just Riki having a nightmare?

But I like the pacing of the story, and feel that it has good depth. Like the early workings of Ippo. Except obviously moving much faster.

It was shown when they were explaining how she died. I think they look far to similar for it to just be a coincidence.

 

[PK Gaming]

Of course the guy with the generic nickname and military avatar would enjoy cheesy quotes.

You should tone it down, excessive amounts of condescension isn't needed. I don't think you have the right to judge him like that, especially since you have no idea what kind of person he is.

Spoiler

Junior

 

[Solune]

Of course the guy with the generic nickname and military avatar would enjoy cheesy quotes.

Look, I don't give a shit about what other people say about the arguments going on in this thread but there's no reason to go about insulting other people based on their alias or avatar. But if you're trying to live up to your namesake, it's working.

If you like it, you like it, and if you don't, you don't. I have no problems with discussing the merits of said manga or whatnot though or in-depth analysis.

 

[flawfuls]

Watashi no Megane-kun

I like how they boiled the bishie in this trashy shoujo manga to it's most basic elements. He is literally just called megane kun and has no other name. It's convenient because now you wont confuse him with one of those types of characters that are supposed to represent human beings.

 

[Dresden]

negima - 353

So basically Asuna has to go bye-bye for a long ass period of time, but Chao steps in and time travels her back so it's like she never had to leave at all!

Akamatsu is a fucking hack.

 

[Haly]

Nah, that makes perfect sense.

It was foreshadowed ages ago.

GODAMATSU.

 

[Dresden]

More like Kakamatsu.

 

[Parallax]

negima - 353

So basically Asuna has to go bye-bye for a long ass period of time, but Chao steps in and time travels her back so it's like she never had to leave at all!

Akamatsu is a fucking hack.

I stopped reading negima when the first chao shenanigans began. Maybe I should pick it up again.

 

[El Sloth]

Middlingmatsu, really.

 

[Articalys]

This is the way a series ends... not with a grand finale, but with a deus ex machina and cheap fanservice.

 

[Maleficence]

Right, 'cause when discussing depth in manga, the top candidates would obviously be OP Naruto Bleach and the like. oO

And I especially like the fact that Mushishi is apparently generic.

Unless I misuderstood your tone, in which case I'm sorry (but not really).

No point discussing anything with PK, he'll argue with you for 4 pages than ignore you when he realises he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Wiseblade]

TLR Darkness 2

50 pages, and Rito didn't fall over and grope somebody once. This "plot" better not get in the way of my fanservice!

 

[Envelope]

TLR Darkness 2

50 pages, and Rito didn't fall over and grope somebody once. This "plot" better not get in the way of my fanservice!

I don't think you have much to worry about.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

negima - 353

So basically Asuna has to go bye-bye for a long ass period of time, but Chao steps in and time travels her back so it's like she never had to leave at all!

Akamatsu is a fucking hack.

Maybe i should pick this back up again this ending just sounds crazy .

 

[Glass Rebel]

I find it always baffling when people gush over Bleach. I know, opinions and all that but aside from the character art (which has gone downhill recently) and Byakuya there's nothing really compelling for me in it.

First of all, there's absolutely no progression in this mess. It's just arc after arc of something happening and Ichigo deus ex machina-ing it to hell and back, finally achieving peace in the Bleach world just for another villain to appear. In that regard it's a manga trying to hide its Dragon Ball type of story progression by being "deep" with "awesome" quotes and completely random mind-fucks. At least the first part was enjoyable, even though Ichigo was somehow able to beat some of the most prolific fighters in Soul Society. The real bullshit started after that when Kubo completely threw the concept of power-levels over a cliff and tried to channel M.C. Escher in manga form. You can say what you want about One Piece but when Oda built Whitebeard up as the strongest human you could feel it in the Marineford arc. It took Akainu and the combined effort of Blackbeard's crew to kill him.

I touched upon this several times but here I go again: The art aside from the characters is incredibly lazy. There are shonen out there that do it much, much better. I mean One Piece is the obvious choice here but even Naruto and Magi have some incredibly detailed worlds. I love my environmental art and sadly Bleach doesn't tickle that fancy.

Which leads me to the third big negative about Bleach: The boring world. When Bleach started I thought it would be interesting to find out about the Shinigami, the Hollows etc. Yes, there are some things which are left in the dark on purpose i.e. the Quincy that were finally brought up, but no, Kubo completely failed to build up any sense of mystery. I just don't really give a fuck whereas even though I'm more disappointed in Naruto I still want to know the story behind the Sage of Six paths, Madara/Tobi etc. Whereas in Bleach... Grimmjow, Quincies, Vizards... who the hell gives a fuck? Kubo has given me no single reason to care about any of them.

In conclusion Bleach, which started as a solid shonen with potential, fell flat on its face after the Save Rukia arc. It's become a manga that gives you almost nothing in return for reading it. You may not agree but this is my honest reasoning on why I think that Bleach is awful.

 

[SouthernDragon]

The characters Tite started developing at the beginning were amazing! If he had centered his story around that crew, it would have been great.

Or if he focused on the exploits of the 12 divisions.

Or if he focused on the Vizard's story.

Basically, he's created 3 good (and one excellent!) cast of characters but he never, ever bothers truly fleshing them out. Thus, they all languish.

 

[Jintor]

The characters Tite started developing at the beginning were amazing! If he had centered his story around that crew, it would have been great.

Or if he focused on the exploits of the 12 divisions.

Or if he focused on the Vizard's story.

Basically, he's created 3 good (and one excellent!) cast of characters but he never, ever bothers truly fleshing them out. Thus, they all languish.

This. So, so this.

 

[Desmond]

A story about pirates never interested me at all unfortunately. Whenever I read OP, I always lose the will to continue around chapter 40

 

[Big One]

Because Kishimoto, unlike Oda, likes to develop his villains and gives them a meaning and purpose. And Sasuke is half of the manga, he is the reason Naruto does everything. They are the ying and yang bullshit.

? I'm pretty positive the entirety of the Fishman Island arc was about Arlong getting meaning and purpose...plus it's been hinted that Crocodile will be coming in the future too and I wouldn't be surprised about other villains either.

The development in Naruto is laughable at best and makes no contextual sense whatsoever. Kishimoto has no idea what a human being actually acts like and develop as characters progressively. For example Sasuke's response to Itachi being a good guy who was saving his clan should not have changed his goal to him wanting to destroy THE WARLD.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Snip.

We pretty much have exactly the same opinion. (aside from liking Byakuya best I guess, lol)

One thing I've noticed with people who are big fans of Bleach is that they tend to have a huge priority in a few categories, namely:

1. Awesum battles
2. Cool poses
3. Percieved depth/maturity
4. "cool" characters being the focus.


I think you're spot on in saying Bleach is pretty much DBZ with a thin layer of pretentious "depth" thrown over it. However this might ironically be it's strongest selling point.

In a way I don't see Bleach as a story as much as an attraction. There's a few base plot lines to carry the series along, but if you honestly assess how relevant these are to the story as a whole, most conveniently vanish in favor of battles.

A great example for me has always been the fact that the introduction of Bleach shows how Ichigo is capable of seeing ghosts. Remember the last time this was in any way relevant to the story? I sure don't.
But one thing I've started to realise about Bleach is that it genuinly isn't trying to tell a traditional story. Stuff like Ichigo seeing ghosts is just build up to the next fight scene, rather than something that could stand on it's own.

Now you could argue this makes Bleach bad, and I'll be honest, if you evaluate Bleach's main story while taking out the fighting ... yeah, there's pretty much nothing there.

But I think that in the eyes of a lot of big fans of Bleach this is hardly an issue. I'm personally reminded of the negative sentiments people had towards some of the flashbacks during Fishman Island. Most of those flashbacks had little to nothing to do with awesome battles or anything "cool", they were extremely story driven. And to be frank, this flat out repelled some people.

Heck, it took every single Straw Hat executing a page-spread super move for people to shout "ARC REDEEMED!", just some cool poses and badass attacks, nothing of story significance.

I'd like to think that people who super duper love Bleach the most ever forever see "too much story" as extra baggage that ruins their clean, fun shonen battle experience. It's not a coincidence that these same people tend to complain about how crowded One Piece chapters are. How can you dedicate half your pages to badass fighting poses when there's so much plot and story on each page.


I don't particularly like Bleach at all, but I can understand how different priorities can make the series a lot better for some people.


Anyway, that's just how I see it in a very generalized way.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

What piss me off the most about Bleach more than anything else was Aizen last fight .
Here we have a guy who has been hype up for years , has troll everybody and Ichigo walks all over him in the final battle and then he gets seal ( don't really mind that part )

I really hope Kubo does not do that again .

 

[Gazzawa]

Gantz


I liked how they buried Reika just to make it clear she's a doornail.

If Kei can't enjoy those boobs-no one can. Can't wait for mech on mech action.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

No point discussing anything with PK, he'll argue with you for 4 pages than ignore you when he realises he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

WTF are you talking about? I already showed you how wrong you are many times. I destroyed your point. You state some ignorant hyperbole shit, you will be called on it. And at least get the initials right.

 

[Maleficence]

WTF are you talking about? I already showed you how wrong you are many times. I destroyed your point. You state some ignorant hyperbole shit, you will be called on it. And at least get the initials right.

You didn't reply to any of my actual points (you had issue with tangential talking points which barely had any relevance to the point I was making) and ignored my previous post completely.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

You didn't reply to any of my actual points (you had issue with tangential talking points which barely had any relevance to the point I was making) and ignored my previous post completely.

I did reply and destroyed your hyperbole about the greatest wizards alive. There was no need for me to repeat myself.