cuevas. PhD.
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They're not tagging Flynn lol.
NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"
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ESPN saying Rams will indeed trade the #2 pick. To who is the question.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/st...ouis-rams-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say
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So the Rams are going to trade the second pick, I have to agree with that strategy. They are going to get a haul from a team and they can upgrade their OL / WR situation and help groom Badford.
I read a rumor that the Eagles are going to try to trade up to the #2 slot? That has got to be the dumbest fucking thing.
Oh yeah. Rumors are looking like Dashon Goldson is going to be franchised by the 49ers and we aren't going to spend big money on Ahmad Brooks. I am okay with this. We need to throw some cash at Rogers (even though he was burnt silly in the NFCCG) and possibly spend money on a receiver.
I read a rumor that the Eagles are going to try to trade up to the #2 slot? That has got to be the dumbest fucking thing.
Oh yeah. Rumors are looking like Dashon Goldson is going to be franchised by the 49ers and we aren't going to spend big money on Ahmad Brooks. I am okay with this. We need to throw some cash at Rogers (even though he was burnt silly in the NFCCG) and possibly spend money on a receiver.
darkside31337
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Totally disagree with the seemingly general consensus. I think the Rams are making a huge mistake trading the #2 pick. Bradford has shown nothing in his career to make you think he's the long term solution for the franchise.
yankeehater
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Yeah people will revolt if they trade for a QB. The offense was 4th in the league last year even with Vick getting hurt 4 times and the most turnovers in the NFL. They have a a few needs, but a QB is not one of them. Maybe if they could get Luck I would understand it, but not for RGIII. Fuck that.
And we'd be stuck with an expensive backup for a whole year! What a backfire!!!!! Lolol
Considering we signed everyone we are going to sign...There is no smarter gamble to be made.
That would be so lulz worthy. Make it happen Eagles GM
Goro Majima
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Yeah after HoFinley didn't get tagged, we have a free tag.
And it's not like Green Bay is run by a greedy owner who gets to pocket something if they don't franchise Flynn. The money gets spent regardless.
Have you seem the supposed offers? It would be assinine to pass that up for any college QB.
Nemesis121
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NO GM in this league would turn that deal down...
Exactly.
Bradford has won games in the NFL, granted not too many but the fact is he has absolutely no help. I've seen Badford make some great plays and also some boneheaded ones. He came from a 1 read offense in college, of course its going to take some time for him to develop.
I hate all this combine hype, Griffin is definitely a nice prospect but I don't really think he is worthy of the #2 pick. I would take Kalil over him and I would take Claiborne over him. The league is starving for good QB's though, so I understand the thought process of taking him.
darkside31337
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What offers? If it's just two 1's a 3 and a 5 that doesn't seem good enough at all. You could dump Bradford off on some team who thought he actually had some talent for a 3 and a 5.
Goro Majima
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Except you could spend one of those 1s on a good quarterback next year AND have all those draft picks!
edit: Plus! If Bradford is really as bad as people think, they'll tank this year and still get a high draft pick to draft whatever "new hotness" comes out next year! And you can claim that you legitimately gave Bradford 3 solid years!
darkside31337
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There is no guarantee that first round pick you get next year will get you a QB that you would put in the same tier as RG3.
And a franchise QB is worth a lot more than a 1st and some mid round draft picks.
Futurevoid
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darkside31337 said:
Bradford also has a MASSIVE number attached to his name. All of this bullshit talk about "well I'd just dump him off to another team for 1's, 3's and 5's!" is completely forgetting the fact the Rams gave him a contract with 50 million dollars in guaranteed money. Last years cap hit alone was just over 12 million. Good luck offloading that to team that can grab RGIII or someone next year under the rookie wage scale for far less cap money. It's not as though Bradford is anymore a proven quality at this point for a team to mortgage a draft AND the cap space. Rams are in with Bradford right now. Like or not. It would be ridiculous to dump him.eznark said:
darkside31337
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Why would it be ridiculous to dump him?
You have to pay him either way. If you don't think he's the long term future at QB then you simply get rid of him. And you certainly don't pass up a QB you really like because you're "stuck" with a different QB. Especially one nobody in St. Louis now has to be stuck with because he was "the guy".
But all of this is irrelevant. Jeff Fisher has already put all his eggs in the Bradford basket.
But either way you're talking about unproven commodities regardless. It's not like trading away the rights to the #2 pick for other draft picks is going to guarantee you get marquee talent back. Going Ricky Williams is pretty stupid but if there's anything you do it for, it's for a potential franchise QB. And if you're a team drafting late in the 1st this year anyway I can totally see why doing it makes sense.
You could just end up like the Patriots. Stockpile picks but pass up on tons of guys who could have helped your team out in the process. Trading down isn't always the optimal strategy.
You have to pay him either way. If you don't think he's the long term future at QB then you simply get rid of him. And you certainly don't pass up a QB you really like because you're "stuck" with a different QB. Especially one nobody in St. Louis now has to be stuck with because he was "the guy".
But all of this is irrelevant. Jeff Fisher has already put all his eggs in the Bradford basket.
But either way you're talking about unproven commodities regardless. It's not like trading away the rights to the #2 pick for other draft picks is going to guarantee you get marquee talent back. Going Ricky Williams is pretty stupid but if there's anything you do it for, it's for a potential franchise QB. And if you're a team drafting late in the 1st this year anyway I can totally see why doing it makes sense.
You could just end up like the Patriots. Stockpile picks but pass up on tons of guys who could have helped your team out in the process. Trading down isn't always the optimal strategy.
That would be crazy, but I don't see how Philly could realistically compete with teams picking in the top ten (CLE, WAS, MIA) that also want to move up for Griffin.
Futurevoid
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Fisher has already come out and said trading Bradford is out of the question (edit) as I see you stated. There's your answer on whether the coaching staff and franchise think he's a long term option. So what's the discussion, again?darkside31337 said:
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...am-bradford-will-not-be-traded/1#.T0was-W0ODw
darkside31337
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I'm not a Tebow fanboy.
cuevas. PhD.
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Rookie if the year and half a season, bust.
He's still in his ridiculous rookie contract, you guys seem to be forgetting all that guarenteed money.
He's still in his ridiculous rookie contract, you guys seem to be forgetting all that guarenteed money.
yankeehater
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Ænima;35535304 said:
On the radio they were saying this years 1st plus DJax and a 2nd this year or next years 1st. I just dont see how a rookie QB gets them any closer to winning a SB. By the time RGIII is good McCoy will be older, but a lot of the veterans will be gone or past their prime. This time of year is really the worst for sports talk, last week there was a bunch of should the Eagles sign Manning talk.
Futurevoid
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darkside31337
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Right like I said it's irrelevant. I just think it's a total mistake to pass up RG3 because Sam Bradford is currently on your roster.
Him winning rookie of the year was a joke in itself. He's regressed from that point regardless.
And again you are paying him the money no matter if he's starting, sitting on the bench or on another team.
Then wouldn't it make sense to build for the future? You're talking about late draft picks anyway and a WR they don't even want on the squad. Why the hell would the Eagles not trade that crappy package for the #2 pick in the draft?
DeaconKnowledge
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Sounds like sports radio bullshit chatter to me.
Eagles are quiet, so they gotta talk about something.
Futurevoid
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Shhh, cap means nothing. Throw out the second year QB and start over regardless of cap hit, wasted draft picks and everything else associated. You know cause RGIII is a guaranteed quality in the NFL.jakncoke said:
That way the Rams can stay irrelevant for another 5-7 years.
Wellington
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I retract every statement I've made thus far about Burfict.
darkside31337
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And if they stick with Bradford for the next 5 years they will stay irrelevant regardless.
Says the guy with Tebow pajamas.
You really think if Bradford was cut there wouldn't be interest in the market? Think of teams that miss out on the highly recruited QBs. Cleveland, Miami, Denver, and even Seattle would at least show interest.
Ah I forgot about DJax. That does give the Eagles decent ammunition if the Rams actually want that overrated diva.
I was referring to trading for him, which there won't be any interest due to cap numbers. If he was cut he'd get picked up for a far more reasonable price.
Maybe he's tanking the combine on purpose because he has a handshake agreement with Reese.
DeaconKnowledge
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That's one expensive cut.
I'd give both of them one more year to prove whether they have what it takes. Tebow needs to improve skills wise and Bradford needs a good line/coaching staff. Safe bet is Bradford, but I wouldn't count Tebow out. Besides those pajamas ain't gonna wear themselves.
Bradford has Schotty, outlook negative. 3 coordinators in 3 years, where have I seen this before. But you are right, give him some more time, don't really have much of a choice anyway.
DeaconKnowledge
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Hmm. Wexell says if Poe and Hightower are still there when the Steelers draft, take Hightower, because Poe's tape sucks.
It is kind of a wonder how Poe is such a freak physically and it didn't translate more onto the field.
It is kind of a wonder how Poe is such a freak physically and it didn't translate more onto the field.
I just misread what you had wrote, oops.
It was purely hypothetical, no way is he cut.
LegendofJoe
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hahahaha, wow
a harrison,timmons,hightower, woodley lb core would be crazy.
Bradford is more talented than Sanchez. If Bradford excels this year, I think the blame rightfully goes back to Sanchez. I think the games would have played out quite a bit differently if it was Bradford in a Jets uniform rather than Sanchez. Take the Denver game, any QB that could hit a barn takes that game.
Only one guy on that list has a playoff win... not that it means much.
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