Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Must be the back knee bellybutton kissing with a dash of Ramen. I'm surprised SS+ so far doesn't have those 'moments' which a exception of the tummy sleeping.

Its funny, the first time seeing the knee thing I thought it was one of the most perverted things in any anime. second time it didn't seem THAT bad.

other than that Junichi is perverted but actually in a realistic way compared to other anime characters of his type.
Sae's arc is really boring this time.

The Japanese Internet service provider BIGLOBE posted the results of a February survey about which anime series fans consider the most overrated; this is the top 10:

1. Madoka Magica
2. AnoHana
3. K-ON!
4. Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari
5. OreImo
6. Infinite Stratos
7. Raildex
8. Fate/Zero
9. STEINS;GATE
10. Angel Beats

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-7688.html

CAN I BE ANN NOW

Take Steins;Gate off the list and its alright.
 

madp

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The Japanese Internet service provider BIGLOBE posted the results of a February survey about which anime series fans consider the most overrated; this is the top 10:

1. Madoka Magica
2. AnoHana
3. K-ON!
4. Bakemonogatari/Nisemonogatari
5. OreImo
6. Infinite Stratos
7. Raildex
8. Fate/Zero
9. STEINS;GATE
10. Angel Beats

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-7688.html

CAN I BE ANN NOW

I want to know more about these mysterious Japanese otaku that actually hate otaku-pander shows.

Its funny, the first time seeing the knee thing I thought it was one of the most perverted things in any anime. second time it didn't seem THAT bad.

other than that Junichi is perverted but actually in a realistic way compared to other anime characters of his type.
Sae's arc is really boring this time.

And this is what we call having your soul corrupted. Welcome to the club.
 
Symphogear 8

This was either the most yuri episode yet or the most platonic friendship episode yet. I can't tell.

Some nice action going on, but Hibiki is starting to annoy me a bit. Not like massively or anything, but her personality outside of fights has gotten a bit too predictable imo.
 

Branduil

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The Wings of Honneamise

A sophisticated, science fiction allegory about a fictional Earth's first astronaut, used as a narrative device to examine human nature and its history? No moe girls talking about hard work and guts? No mecha doing cool poses while the pilot screams? No space aliens with crazy designs trying to kill everyone? Morally ambiguous characters everywhere? An extremely uncomfortable "romance"? Religion?

It's almost like Gainax didn't care about making money.

RIP Good Gainax, 1987

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In all seriousness, it was a very impressive film. It bears the kind of dedication to storytelling you rarely see in anime(certainly not from Gainax afterwards), in that it's actually attempting to portray a serious story, with believable and human characters. You could even call it deep, without the sarcasm normally applied to anime's attempts at philosophical narratives. You can tell that Gainax put just as much effort into the script and the characters, and the world-building, that they did the animation. Which is of course gorgeous.

The movie demonstrates the beautiful marriage possible between visuals and story. Every shot, every design, every keyframe is dedicated to developing the characters and/or the incredible world they inhabit. I would be remiss to not especially point out the work they put into the alternate Earth they created, with its own history and nations. Everything references our world without being a lazy copy of any specific culture. They even came up with an original numeric system.

The animation is great, as are the backgrounds. Also, this might be the pinnacle of Gainax's mechanical designs and animation. All of the stuff with the rockets floored me in how it paid homage to real designs while maintaining a unique identity.

If there's one thing to criticize, I don't think the music/sound design was always the best.

Really though, dem backgrounds:


Very likely the most commendable thing Gainax has done. It has style AND substance.
 
Another 08:

Izumi is so tsun-tsun. <3

And this episode's awesome death was...run over by a boat and shredded by the propeller! It's like a Fatality in Mortal Kombat, first you KO him by running down with the boat, and then you FINISH HIM! with the propeller!

Okay, so I don't even know who the hell it was that died. I don't even remember him, did he even have a speaking role in the show? He's like the Star Trek Redshirt of Another, just a random guy who's turn it is to die because they're saving the killing of main cast members for later!

Judging from the next episode PV, shit is about to get really fucking goddamned real next episode, as they begin frantically searching the school for the thing Matsunaga left behind which can finally put an end to the calamity.

I should mention at this point that the way Reiko and Matsunaga have had their memories obscured strongly points to the calamity, such as it is, having a supernatural cause and it clearly doesn't want to be found.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Steins:Gate is otaku pandering?

It certainly has elements targeted toward otaku even if it's not necessarily from an otaku genre.

I'm a fan of at least half of the shows on the "overrated" list so I don't believe that a show being otaku pander has anything to do with its actual level of quality, but I'm still surprised (and actually kinda happy) that there's at least some contingent of Japanese otaku that aren't wild about every single mainstream title, even if some of those titles are things that I personally like.
 

zeroshiki

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You must be new to the internet.

Anything popular will have its share of haters. It says nothing about the state of Japanese otaku one way or the other.
 

Jintor

Member
Persona 4 - whatever episode Kanji is introduced in

Holy shit, beef bowl delivery. Execution animation-wise was off but the joke was amazing.
 
The GAF Anime of the Year poll probably had more participants than that random poll they posted. Was it because it was in Japanese? You think if we translated the GAF poll, they'll post it as news too?

Well if you wanted to troll ANN, you should put our poll on some site you created and pretend it's a legitimate site which ran a poll and submit the link to ANN.

It certainly has elements targeted toward otaku even if it's not necessarily from an otaku genre.

I'm a fan of at least half of the shows on the "overrated" list so I don't believe that a show being otaku pander has anything to do with its actual level of quality, but I'm still surprised (and actually kinda happy) that there's at least some contingent of Japanese otaku that aren't wild about every single mainstream title, even if some of those titles are things that I personally like.

Every fanbase has a subset who think they are edgy and cool by hating things other people like. They exist in every Western fanbase of everything ever, so to think it doesn't exist in Japanese fanbases of everything is illogical.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
You must be new to the internet.

Anything popular will have its share of haters. It says nothing about the state of Japanese otaku one way or the other.

You can't say that there aren't a wealth of reasons to have a cynical attitude toward Japanese otaku considering what series succeed. Everything has its haters, but it's still somewhat surprising to see some of the most-loved series of the past few years on this list, even in a completely unscientific poll.

Every fanbase has a subset who think they are edgy and cool by hating things other people like. They exist in every Western fanbase of everything ever, so to think it doesn't exist in Japanese fanbases of everything is illogical.

I wasn't implying that any of the people calling these series overrated are hipsters, just that they're simply out of the norm. With there being little middle ground between success and failure for anime in the current market, it does paint a picture of a slightly more monolithic fanbase in Japan than possibly elsewhere, regardless of how true that actually is.
 

Kagami

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Even then, why wouldn't Stein's Gate be pandering? Its set in Akiba for crying out loud.
Sorry, thread moves fast and my timing was bad. Wasn't even thinking about Steins;Gate specifically.
Was more of an observation, inspired by Mad Pierrot's comment about "otaku hating otaku-pander shows."
 

zeroshiki

Member
You can't say that there aren't a wealth of reasons to have a cynical attitude toward Japanese otaku considering what series succeed. Everything has its haters, but it's still somewhat surprising to see some of the most-loved series of the past few years on this list, even in a completely unscientific poll.

? I think you're getting confused here.

What makes you think that there aren't "haters" among otaku? Do you believe that Japanese otaku are this monolithic force that like and hate the same thing?
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
? I think you're getting confused here.

What makes you think that there aren't "haters" among otaku? Do you believe that Japanese otaku are this monolithic force that like and hate the same thing?

I don't think that I said that there were no haters among otaku, just that I didn't expect these particular series to have the most haters.

I don't believe that Japanese anime fans are completely the same in their taste, though I feel as though this is less true for the hardcore otaku who purchase large quantities of BDs and other anime goods that ultimately determine a show's success.
 

Instro

Member
What are some anime GAFfer's thoughts on the Gyo anime? I love me some Junji Ito manga; how did it turn out?

Its pretty shit, it was rather entertaining in a trashy B-horror movie kind of way. I haven't read the manga but I could see it being pretty disappointing for fans looking for a good adaption.
 

Dresden

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I don't think that I said that there were no haters among otaku, just that I didn't expect these particular series to have the most haters.

I didn't find it too surprising given that backlash is pretty universal in its attribution.

Instro said:
Its pretty shit, it was rather entertaining in a trashy B-horror movie kind of way. I haven't read the manga but I could see it being pretty disappointing for fans looking for a good adaption.
I think the highlight was the thing 2/3 of the way in
shooting a stream of shit at its captors before scuttling away.
 

qcf x2

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The Wings of Honneamise



Very likely the most commendable thing Gainax has done. It has style AND substance.

Very good film, and seeing it in 1080p is awesome. The "uncomfortable 'romance,'" ie awkward attempted rape scene, wasn't necessary. And yeah, Gainax didn't dare to attempt realistic allegories and social commentary again until (and now since) Evangelion, and I'm thankful for that. They did the job with Wings, and they hit some massive home runs with less direct approaches (Gunbuster, Nadia, Diebuster, and arguably a few others) that appeal to the fans of art that doesn't necessarily have to be photographic, so to speak...those titles don't spit on humanity's vile nature, but rather explore the psyche and intrinsic human needs in different ways.

in short, Wings has substance but it's not too far from the surface. Other Gainax works are better and more artfully substantial. Still a great movie, especially for the hand drawn awesomeness....each frame is art.
 
I don't think that I said that there were no haters among otaku, just that I didn't expect these particular series to have the most haters.

This question is specifically asking for the most "overrated" show. You don't have to hate a show to consider it overrated; you just have to think it doesn't deserve the massive popularity it has.
 
One Piece 1

I don't intend to dig too deep into this series, given what I've heard about its eventual drop off in quality. (There were already a couple moments which dragged just a tiny bit too long, such as Luffy's reveal.) But I have no problem with watching 40 or so episodes for cosmic's sake. If I like it enough by that point I'll probably switch over to the manga.

Anyway, this is a pleasant enough start to a boys' adventure story. Luffy is an energetic, optimistic character and the pirates on the high seas setting is fun. As was the case with Toriko, this is not the most gripping first episode I've seen, but I know it'll develop into more as it goes on.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
The more popular something gets, the more detractors it attracts as well. This is universal anywhere you go.

I think I've gotten myself into trouble by not clearly stating that I'm discussing hardcore otaku as opposed to anime fans as a whole, though it's my mistake for jumping to the baseless assumption that the poll was only responded to by a certain type of anime fan. Everything I've said is under the assumption that these hardcore otaku are somewhat more united in their likes and dislikes than perhaps all Japanese anime fans as a whole, which is the basis for my surprise at the poll results.

This is what happens when I don't think or even apply basic logic before I type.

This question is specifically asking for the most "overrated" show. You don't have to hate a show to consider it overrated; you just have to think it doesn't deserve the massive popularity it has.

Certainly true, though if "overrated" is misused as a way to simply express dislike of something popular there as it often is here, then who can say what's actually being expressed in the poll results.
 

zeroshiki

Member
You guys are nuts if you think Stein's;Gate has even a modicum of mainstream crossover appeal. It does what it does well but no one who doesn't already like anime is ever going to watch it.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
One Piece 1

I don't intend to dig too deep into this series, given what I've heard about its eventual drop off in quality. (There were already a couple moments which dragged just a tiny bit too long, such as Luffy's reveal.) But I have no problem with watching 40 or so episodes for cosmic's sake. If I like it enough by that point I'll probably switch over to the manga.

Anyway, this is a pleasant enough start to a boys' adventure story. Luffy is an energetic, optimistic character and the pirates on the high seas setting is fun. As was the case with Toriko, this is not the most gripping first episode I've seen, but I know it'll develop into more as it goes on.

The quality of the narrative never really goes down in quality once it finally gets good, it's just the pacing and animation quality that eventually begin to suffer. You really will need to stick with it until the 40 episode mark or so to know if you're going to like it, so just try to endure what's going on in the mean time. I'm as big a One Piece fan as anyone here is, but I considered dropping it several times in the early stages. I promise you, it gets way better.
 

Branduil

Member
Very good film, and seeing it in 1080p is awesome. The "uncomfortable 'romance,'" ie
awkward attempted rape scene
, wasn't necessary.

I don't know if I can agree with that. They wrote that scene for a reason, it's a pivotal moment for Shiro's character arc and a brutal illustration of the film's themes.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
You guys are nuts if you think Stein's;Gate has even a modicum of mainstream crossover appeal. It does what it does well but no one who doesn't already like anime is ever going to watch it.
But it wasn't written as an anime story. I dunno, I would consider it something to recommend to people who aren't into other anime stuff. Even though it has some pandering stuff it feels built into the story rather than like it revolves around it.
 
One Piece 1

I don't intend to dig too deep into this series, given what I've heard about its eventual drop off in quality. (There were already a couple moments which dragged just a tiny bit too long, such as Luffy's reveal.) But I have no problem with watching 40 or so episodes for cosmic's sake. If I like it enough by that point I'll probably switch over to the manga.

Anyway, this is a pleasant enough start to a boys' adventure story. Luffy is an energetic, optimistic character and the pirates on the high seas setting is fun. As was the case with Toriko, this is not the most gripping first episode I've seen, but I know it'll develop into more as it goes on.

As long as you don't hate the first few episodes, you should be fine. Even then, some of the most outspoken OP fanboys actually outright hated the first few arcs.

Anyway, I'm sure my OP pimping has gotten annoying by now, so I'll just say hopefully we both enjoy the series we have picked out for each other. I'm definitely hopeful for Master Keaton.
 
But it wasn't written as an anime story. I dunno, I would consider it something to recommend to people who aren't into other anime stuff. Even though it has some pandering stuff it feels built into the story rather than like it revolves around it.

If you don't already watch anime, you won't get a lot of stuff in Steins;Gate. That alone makes it purely for people who are already fans of anime.
 

Ultimadrago

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In One Piece's early stages?

Funny, I started really considering dropping several times in the late stages.

Edit:
Speaking of, I'm still planning to try Gintama later on in life.

How much humor is in it vs. shonen?
Would you say it's a comedy first? Shonen? Balanced Mix?
 

Uchip

Banned
One Piece 1

I don't intend to dig too deep into this series, given what I've heard about its eventual drop off in quality. (There were already a couple moments which dragged just a tiny bit too long, such as Luffy's reveal.) But I have no problem with watching 40 or so episodes for cosmic's sake. If I like it enough by that point I'll probably switch over to the manga.

Anyway, this is a pleasant enough start to a boys' adventure story. Luffy is an energetic, optimistic character and the pirates on the high seas setting is fun. As was the case with Toriko, this is not the most gripping first episode I've seen, but I know it'll develop into more as it goes on.

hmm
I found that the show grows on you rather than starting off interesting and ending up terrible ie. Bleach, Naruto.

That and people that had never seen the series loved strong world, which says a lot for its characters.

You guys are nuts if you think Stein's;Gate has even a modicum of mainstream crossover appeal. It does what it does well but no one who doesn't already like anime is ever going to watch it.

Bullshit
Ive already got one person that generally dislikes everything anime into it
 
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