freenudemacusers
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Why do you ask loaded questions?
I know plenty of people who actually work in the military and none of them worship the institution, it's viewed as a job, nothing more.
How the US. military is portrayed in the media
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I know plenty of people who actually work in the military and none of them worship the institution, it's viewed as a job, nothing more.
Ha. Pre-emptive? My mother works with Iraqi and Afghanistan refugees. Kids whose parents your forces accidentally killed. What do you think they think of your country? Most of them probably only even barely aware there was a country called USA before you guys invaded.
Not saying most of these kids will grow up to be terrorists, most of them won't. And not all of them got their parents killed by American forces specifically. But you guys aren't exactly making friends in the Middle East.
We don't. In fact, I rarely have the disconnect between the soldier and their commanders that many have when discussing the wars. I think they are all culpable/admirable depending on your view.
With that said, it's admirable to have a voluntary army. Having one as powerful and large as ours ensures that I (& my kids) never have to join unless we volunteer too.
Drafts suck.
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Can we just go back to the topic of whether or not I deserve my military discount when I go to the movie theater?
freenudemacusers
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What I'm trying to say is that American forces isn't the only ones killing the kids parents. The Talibans for example are too, of course.
Its kind of a rough context but my educated guess is that they were taking fire from somewhere and they weren't able to discern the level of collateral on the spot so they had to call higher ups for additional info/support. Those higher ups "dicked around" by not getting them that info/support in a prompt manner so they went ahead let loose instead of sitting on their hands getting shot at.
Pretty much. Cramped, outdated theater full of babies and 1986 chewing gum.Don't they have one on base?*
*Worst theater of all time, at least here.
Rebel Leader
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I'd argue anti war protests are actually pro soldier/anti the military-political leadership as in not sending them off to die for no good reason.
Yeah so basically 9 times out 10 if the military doesn't want the public know they won't. The other time it is shot down or crashes.
That makes a lot more sense, thanks. The poor wording in the quote made it sound the men "dicking" the soldiers were the ones that were shot.
Razgriz-Specter
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Understandable, though its not the only thing that raises terrorists. Some just want to impose their ideals while others are raised on hate.
I don't understand how someone could say something so dumb. You must be a retard or something.
This probably isn't the definition of terrorist you want to use.
LAUGHTREY
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Slurpy2k20
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From the previews it's clearly a USA USA propaganda military movie.
TacticalFox88
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We're facing asinine cuts right now with troop reductions and as an Airmen we're already being streched thin as it is.
Hollywood does the military a HUGE disservice. It may work somewhat as a recruiting tool, but it's nothing like the real thing. Movies like Hurt Locker are so mind-numblingly stupid and inaccurate it's not even funny. I hate it when people reference cinema when discussing the real thing...not that you can blame their ignorance. Unless you've experienced it first hand, you have no real context.
The biggest problem is the public's perception of technology/intelligence. All the smart bombs in the world aren't going to prevent civilian casualties...which is precisely why the military should only be used as a last resort. The fact that Ron Paul is so popular in the ranks should speak volumes. At first glance he almost seems anti-military...wants to shut down all overseas bases and what-not. The truth is, he's the ONLY politician who gets it.
The biggest problem is the public's perception of technology/intelligence. All the smart bombs in the world aren't going to prevent civilian casualties...which is precisely why the military should only be used as a last resort. The fact that Ron Paul is so popular in the ranks should speak volumes. At first glance he almost seems anti-military...wants to shut down all overseas bases and what-not. The truth is, he's the ONLY politician who gets it.
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Gotta love the "do more with less" nonsense.
ThisWreckage
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I don't. In fact, I don't even respect people that join.
Those movies and tv shows may be unrealistic, but they portray soldiers and the overall military in a mostly positive light.
Good luck to him finding jobs for all those newly unemployed service men and women he just made redundant.
LAUGHTREY
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That's what I'm saying. People who were in the reserves or already in the military before the war in Iraq, they get my utmost respect. They joined without knowing what was coming.
People joined after the war and all the revelations, circa 2004-2005, why the hell did they join? Did they not know what the war is about?
Thousands of soldiers transition into the civilian sector every year. With the GI Bill it's not like they'd be throwing unskilled 20-30 something's to the wolves.
Some people have a calling to join the military and serve. And for some people that is all they have and are good at.
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I haven't noticed a lot of hate in this thread actually, at least compared to some threads in the past. No-one has straight up said "soldiers don't deserve any respect" or anything (I don't think)
Stretched thin doing what? I mean this as an honest question?
ThisWreckage
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From my experience, most of the people that I've known that have joined the military in the past five years or so have joined primarily to have a job. I lost a lot of respect for them and I hate our country for essentially strong arming certain people into doing such a thing.
Razgriz-Specter
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Im talking all types of terrorist(al-Qaeda, Somali Pirates,home grown). also I didn't want to get into religious fanatics discussion.
Disagree, those people joined when we were The Superpower, our last war(Gulf War 1) being a major victory
you joined did some training, got stationed had good pay and great benefits. people joining now(in a combat role) know exactly how bad the war has gone and the chance they have of being killed and they joined anyway.
If everyone had your opinion there would be no voluntary military and they would have a draft.
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I haven't seen it, purely because it seems like military propaganda with a Call of Duty parody name.
ThisWreckage
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You hit the nail on the head.
thetrin
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Man, it would suck ass to be that person.
I mean, imagine realizing all you're actually good at is taking orders and killing people. That would be a pretty awful realization.
Razgriz-Specter
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Someone has to do it so people like us don't have to.
(in the situation of a 100% justifiable war)
ThisWreckage
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Right, until the draft kicks in.
Razgriz-Specter
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And hopefully it won't be needed because of the people volunteering.
Im actually kinda mad at myself for being so indecisive about joining or not myself. Im yes/no every other day on joining the Army.
Though im pretty sure I will end up signing up as a diver in the Navy soon.
Phoenician_Viking
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You can the same thing about firemen, and police officers.
Razgriz-Specter
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We respect them also. Though the Police get so much hate lately, even good ones.
ThisWreckage
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Those professions are practically fellated as well by many people.
killthekampers
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My commanders always tell us about doing more with less. 18 hour days all week and then still the chance to get recalled back to base to go work during the weekends is what I've been experiencing since the government started troop reductions
Its more like the few bad eggs ruin the entire batch. A good cop doing his job correctly is not newsworthy. Though it does not help when a majority of the public are misinformed about Police protocol and what they can and cannot do. "why cant the police shoot the perps leg to capture him"
ThisWreckage
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Maybe if we didn't have our military spread out all over the world (even in places that are in no way a threat) then they'd have adequate help.
killthekampers
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My job is kind of a jack of all trades, so we can't possibly do something from one location, even though we do have central locations we get stationed to (NASIC, NGA, DIA, CIA, etc)
Phoenician_Viking
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I guess so, but from what i read a lot of people don´t trust policemen. And criticizing firemen does not make one unpatriotic. Criticizing the military will get you branded by the media and some people as unpatriotic, which is why it makes the military seem on a different level of sacrifice, and selflessness.
Death Dealer
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It is on a different level.
There is very little in common with the military and the police.
99.9% of cops go home every night after their shift. (any that aren't in a deep undercover role) They don't deploy to remote areas of the world for months or sometimes a year at a time. They can quit their job whenever they want. They get overtime.
Being active duty military is somewhere in between indentured servitude and slavery.
Razgriz-Specter
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wouldn't go that far they at least get good pay, benefits and opportunities.
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