Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Mouretsu Pirates is a really charming show. Much more consistent universe building compared to a show like Tytania, which was all over the place. This is one of the few shows I wouldn't mind being turned into a long running series, as it has a lot of potential for continued story lines.
 
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei - Memorial Disc OAV Thanks for buying our expensive blu-ray box sets!
The probably last ending illustration of SZS.
Not surprising to see them pretty much follow the pattern of season 3 with the story ripped from the manga and the terrible OP. The detective bit felt like a rehash which it kinda was, and the musical sketch was lost onto me. I did like Mr. Rice Man and them using the good ED from season 3.
At least watching SZS launched me back into reading the manga of it.
The musical bit reflects the cynicism of the show, so it's consistent at least.
 
Mouretsu Pirates is a really charming show. Much more consistent universe building compared to a show like Tytania, which was all over the place. This is one of the few shows I wouldn't mind being turned into a long running series, as it has a lot of potential for continued story lines.

I agree. The pacing is that of a 50 episodes series, though, and it probably won't reach that.
 
Nisemonogatari 09
An altogether unsatisfying episode. Could there be a more dull way to introduce
antagonists
? Probably not, nor was either remotely arresting or engaging during their introduction. At least Kaiki had that going for him. Beyond that there wasn't a great deal of pay off in this episode. The meeting between Kanbaru and Karen? Glossed over and pushed out of the stories focus almost immediately. When you have the entire previous episode and half of this one building up to that it really just feels like my time investment into the story isn't worth it.

I'm also growing tired of Koyomi's sudden and uncalled for mood swing away from Senjougahara. Why would he say he loves Hanekawa in this episode, even as a joke? He's already said he loves Senjougahara, and if she ever heard him say such a thing out loud the show would end rather promptly with the entire harem being found in some ditch. The show seems ignorant of its own past events. Nisemono in general just lacks a lot of the genuine nature of Bakemono, and because of this conversations feel more like actors playing things out rather than two people engaging in standard discourse.

An episode like this is the kind of thing that begins to seal the fate of Nisemonogatari as being a failure. As it gets later and later the possibility for redemption simply moves further and further away.
 
Nisemonogatari 09

I'm also growing tired of Koyomi's sudden and uncalled for mood swing away from Senjougahara. Why would he say he loves Hanekawa in this episode, even as a joke? He's already said he loves Senjougahara, and if she ever heard him say such a thing out loud the show would end rather promptly with the entire harem being found in some ditch. The show seems ignorant of its own past events. Nisemono in general just lacks a lot of the genuine nature of Bakemono, and because of this conversations feel more like actors playing things out rather than two people engaging in standard discourse.

At some point, I have to wonder if they're actually going to play off of Araragi's--I believe fading--end of the relationship rather than just letting it be because Senjou says so. The joining was the epitome of immature, and it was just a few eps ago that he said to her face that he doesn't even know why he dates her, 'but does.' That's the reason why I found the last arc interesting in the end; it actually had the guts to troll the audience, and hard. Building upon her, ultimately, but destroying the 'Senjogahara' up to that point. Or maybe 'destroying' isn't the right word in this case, as you could have guessed what the logical conclusion of the archetype is, and easily, I just never expected them to bring her to it. It's like you go in all suited up and ready to suspend belief, and Isin's like gotcha, you won't have to suspend as much as you thought.
 
This marks the beginning second half of the show, since the OP has been updated with
Cure Sunshine and Cure Moonlight, and their capes as well
, the eyecatches have been upgraded to include
Sunshine and Moonlight
, and the new ED has
Sunshine and Moonlight
! I wonder
who the eventual fourth Precure could
possibly be?!

The Courage to have an episode all about fashion and fighting, without even
summoning a monster
!!

It seems like the next few episodes are going to be back to the more lighthearted side of the show, now that the mid-season climax has been resolved.
 
So the RNG god demanded I should watch all of the Ah My Goddess series, so here we go!

Ah My Goddess OVA 01
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So 90s.
That was a very enjoyable first episode. Great wave of nostalgia of reading this when I was younger and the budding start of Keiichi and Belldandy's never ending romance.
This will be a fun series to run through.
 
Mouretsu Pirates is a really charming show. Much more consistent universe building compared to a show like Tytania, which was all over the place. This is one of the few shows I wouldn't mind being turned into a long running series, as it has a lot of potential for continued story lines.

I know I'm probably the only person that feels this way, but I thought Tytania was exquisitely terrible and I'd probably recommend it to people the same way that other people in this thread recommend Glass Fleet. I'd love to see some of the reactions to the shit that goes on in that show.

Pirates is, fortunately, already more enjoyable than the entirety of Tytania in spite of episodes 2-5 being completely unnecessary. The scale of events is less ambitious, and a lot of shows with a space setting go overboard in this respect by thinking that the setting and number of characters have to reflect the vastness of space and plots have to be similarly sweeping and epic. Of course, this whole
space royalty dispute
thing could completely derail the intimacy in Mouretsu, so we'll have to see.
 
I know I'm probably the only person that feels this way, but I thought Tytania was exquisitely terrible and I'd probably recommend it to people the same way that other people in this thread recommend Glass Fleet. I'd love to see some of the reactions to the shit that goes on in that show.

I completely agree. Tytania was one of the most disappointing shows I've seen. Following up LoGH didn't help with my high expectations, but it was terrible in its own right.

Despite a pretty ridiculous starting premise, everything in Mouretsu Pirates feels like it's operating within a set of rules that the show has built up, nothing is really out there. No random craziness. That's the proper way to do sci-fi.
 
Violence Jack

After finishing Blood-C, I felt like revisiting this after so many years as the gratuitious violence in Blood-C reminded me of this for whatever reason. I recalled liking this show when it first came out but I felt should I should reconfirm my opinion. This seems to have been a poor decision.
Violence Jack is a series of three independant OAVs based on Go Nagai's manga of the same name that functions as a sort of sequel to his Devilman work. It's set in a post-apocalyptic future where a large earthquake had destroyed civilization and humanity is now split where the weak are preyed upon by the strong. Jack's name is derived from him wielding an oversized 16" jack knife and a propensity for violence to follow him wherever he goes. Clever, right?

Spoilers therein as I can't imagine anyone watching for the story rather than the spectacle:


Violence Jack:Harlem Bomber

This... this isn't good at all. In this OAV, we're privy to the desctruction of the world and the best action of the entire OAV takes place within the first few minutes as Jack faces off against his manga nemesis, Slum King. Their fight is unceremoniously interrupted by a tidal wave, Slum King is unconvinced Jack could be killed by such, and so he sends his men out to find Jack. The episode takes its title from the Slum King's right hand man named Harlem Bomber and focuses on his group's issues with Jack. The episode really doesn't make sense as Slum King's impetus for killing Jack is that no one stronger than himself should be allowed to live. Naturally you send folk weaker than yourself to manage such a feat. There's some indiscernible plot line regarding a couple reuniting after the end of the world. He being Harlem Bomber's right hand man and she a girl kidnapped with aims of of being sexually tortured into submission before being sold into slavery. Mostly Jack's treated like a force of nature whose mere presence drives people towards violence. I suppose this fits with him being summoning a tornado and purposefully being struck by lightning at the end. (I'm pretty sure these reference the manga but they're entirely out of place without this context).

The action is pretty bad. In fact it's really boring with the lone highlight possibly being Jack grabbing a rope thrown to him from a helicopter and using it to throw the helicopter at Harlem Bomber at the end. Slum King never reappears, everyone but the potential slave girl is dead at the end, and this is portrayed as a good ending to the OAV.

Harlem Bomber in all his broad shouldered glory.
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Violence Jack: Evil Town

The second OAV takes place six months after the devastating earthquake. Survivors of a city swallowed by the quake have banded together into three factions. Zone B is the enemy of A & C as its comprised of the stronger criminal element unafraid to do what is necessary to survive even if it involves stealing food and women. Zones A and C work as a separation of men and most of the women as Zone A folk weren't much better than Zone B and started raping their women.

While trying to reach the surface, members of Zone A accidentally free Jack. They're promptly attacked by members of Zone B who Jack attacks as a thank you to his liberators. The leader of Zone B, Mad Saulus, isn't too happy at someone existing that's bigger than him (Familiar, eh?) so sets in a motion a plan to disrupt what little peace is left between the zones. Jack ends up siding with Zone C since, at his core, he's a defender of the weak. B attacks A then turns against C as they escape the surface. Along the way everyone gets raped and Mad Saulus turns into a demon.

This OAV has higher production values going for it over the first, a slightly more sensible plot, animated violence that makes Blood-C look tame, and does a great job of portraying the world as filled with vermin, literally and otherwise. Jack is also more of a character in this what with actually having more than a handful of lines. Despite this, the rape sequences were excessive and uncomfortable which detracted greatly. Once the secret of Zone A was revealed, the episode changed from "Who is Jack going to kill?" to "Who is Jack going to kill first?"

Violence Jack: Hell's Wind

1990 gave us the third and final OAV which evidently I hadn't seen in the past like I thought I had. It centers around a violent biker gang called Hell's Wind. It opens up with a couple trying to escape them, their subsequent capture, the man being dismembered by a chainsaw and his girlfriend Jun being raped. From there we're taken to a small town making its way despite the catastrophe that ruined civilization. Before long Hell's Wind makes their way there and begins torturing townsfolk. As a schoolboy makes a move to defend his poor teacher, Jun appears firing arrows tipped with explosive arrowheads straight out of Rambo III. Jack appears when Hell's Wind escapes only to be gunned down by few thousand bullets. Jun "rescues" him then sets back out to stop Hell's wind as part of her mission of revenge. Meanwhile Jack promises to help the student save his teacher who ends up strapped to the nose cone of a fighter jet while naked, of course. The violence was less gratuitous than the second but possibly more frustrating at how personal tit was made with Jun's suffering. Again Jack is more force of nature and less a character. Frankly this might have better without his inclusion at all. At least there's a Slum King cameo at the end.


All three episodes did have one common thread and that was the inability to manage any sort of scale involving Jack.

This fellow looks familiar.
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I ended up checking on the manga's synopsis and it sounds far more interesting.
Jack himself is Akira Fudo reborn after the events of Devilman. After Satan killed Devilman, he created Slum King in this post-apocalyptic world out of regret for his actions. In a weird turn of events, Satan (as Ryo Asuka) is kept as the Slum King's mute limbless pet along with Akira Fudo's love interest.
The manga seems interesting enough if only for the cameos Go Nagai includes from his other work.

This was a waste of time. I enjoyed my memories of this series just being some weird post apocalyptic violence. It doesn't even carry the same absurd charm like Ninja Ressurection or MD Geist has. In fact I find it sort of offensive now and that's either disappointing that this wasn't what I remembered or pleasant that my tastes have improved even if only marginally. Maybe there's some sort of salvageable charm while riffing on it as a group but otherwise this is some near Eiken-level regret.
 
Persona 4 - 21

Holy shit that got my blood pumping. That was done really well, and i'm glad they used the whole episode for that.

Next week man, next week. This shit is just too good.
 
Ah My Goddess OVA 02
It's another beach....arctic episode!
So, enters Urd, the fun sister that causes problems for Keiichi. I wouldn't lie, the drama here was quite thick but I guess not everything can be sunshine and rainbows. I am surprised we got a first kiss well from Belldandy while Keiichi was out cold, so I guess it sorta counts?
 
Moretsu Pirates 9
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Pretty good episode, loved the bowing by Chiaki, she was so into it. Otherwise Marika is really a great pirate. I think one of the few anime that deliver action in a way thats not all explosions, cool attacks, and epic that I like. Like Sket Dance, this anime made me wish I went to a cool high school that had these exotic and super fun clubs, ie, the Yacht Club.

The insert song or new ED was really nice.
 
P4: 18

Wow, what an episode. I never would have believed it were you to tell me before I started watching, given the nature of the adaptation, but Yu is actually one best written protagonists that I've seen hit an animu series since Okabe. It's like they studied not just the individual choices, but the philosophical backbone behind the games--multiple personas make for better connections and depth of character--and really incorporated it all into the Yu of the adaptation. Each character/slink drawing another facet of him out, etc...etc...it's kind of amazing how simple it sounds when I put it that way, but it's also amazing just how little it's ever done in anime. The audience insert that has no real presence/ say over not just any particular conversation, but how the plot moves as a whole, Yu is not. What they were doing with him really begun to hit me around the festival ep, but this ep cemented it. Towards the end there,
just before Nanako jetted, he was ready to throw it down with Dojima, not sink into a corner.
He's quiet & composed, but he's no shell.


I'm fucking impressed, and want a p3 adaptation now. same team. I don't care about the animation, it's not that bad. They get it. And this series doesn't get enough credit at all. Holy shit.

This ep didn't even feel overly dramatic in the slightest. Shit was getting real, and it didn't feel faux/forced/funny, nothing.
 
P4: 18

Wow, what an episode. I never would have believed it were you to tell me before I started watching, given the nature of the adaptation, but Yu is actually one best written protagonists that I've seen hit an animu series since Okabe. It's like they studied not just the indavidual choices, but the philosophical backbone behind the games--multiple personas make for better connections and depth of character--and really incorporated it all into the Yu of the adaptation. Each character/slink drawing another facet of him out, etc...etc...it's kind of amazing how simple it sounds when I put it that way, but it's also amazing just how little it's ever done in anime. The audience insert that has no real presence/ say over not just any particular conversation, but how the plot moves as a whole, Yu is not. What they were doing with him really begun to hit me around the festival ep, but this ep cemented it. Towards the end there,
just before Nanako jetted, he was ready to throw it down with Dojima, not sink into a corner.


I'm fucking impressed, and want a p3 adaptation now. same team. I don't care about the animation, it's not that bad. They get it. And this series doesn't get enough credit at all. Holy shit.
Oh man, I know! It's kinda sad how people put it down so early too. I mean sure, plenty of it is wank material for us fans of the game, but a lot of it is still just solidly done in general, and Yu is just really good. I can't over-explain enough to people just how well I think they've adapted the game, and it's so good that it does plenty things better than the game even did.

I've always been surprised to catch myself thinking that, but man is it true.

Also the wordplay on his name is great too.
 
(A) KITE



I didn't know much about this going in, other than it was violent, but I think it was a rather interesting piece of work that had a decent narrative that was more powerful without words than with. The visual cues dropped throughout the movie were really well done, and often didn't fully register until the next scene started, leaving me questioning what I just saw. The writing was fairly bare-bones, but more than serviceable for what the film set out to accomplish. I rather enjoyed that we never really knew just what kind of clients they were taking, whether these kills were really good or bad (well, except one, which I lament them doing), and not really making any of the characters that likeable. It kept me at an emotional distance that seemed appropriate for the situations most of the characters had to endure.

To say this movie glorified violence might be selling it short. I'd say it's much closer to worship than reverence. The closeups, excessive amounts of blood, and an even more aggressive take on handheld weapons than most forms of media were certainly... memorable. I didn't really have a problem with it, but I have to question whether it really benefited the work overall. It felt, more often than not, like it was forcing the ultra-violence simply for the sake of using it as a selling point. Perhaps the intent was to show how despicable the world these characters existed in was, but they could have easily done it other ways. This felt like the quick and easy way.



On the production side, the animation was very nice. There were a few spots where character art looked pretty off, which is unfortunate, considering the overall quality. The music (what very little there was) was quite forgettable. I really wish they had put some more work into it, because the city had a really great feel and look to it that would have been exemplified with some backing sounds. It had a very strong sense of "THIS IS AN ANIME MADE IN THE 90s!" which I feel was in its favor. Then again, I've always been a fan of the light-future, 90s influence setting. Something about the mix of neon signs and clothing styles, maybe. Regardless, the movie had it in spades, but the more classy version of it.

I got the remastered, not the director's cut, so I managed to avoid most all of the sexually explicit material. I'm rather pleased with how they cut it, because I still understood exactly what had happened, sans rape. Kind of glad, too, considering
the one earlier sex scene they left in was extremely uncomfortable
(and with good reason).

The ending was a very pleasant surprise, since I had forgotten about
one of the visual foreshadowing moments they had in the background of a scene.
Not to mention that last scene was just great. I really liked that a lot of how characters felt and broadcasting actions were playing around in the backgrounds. Just a nice shift from some of the last things I've watched (Macross aside).



My one major complaint with this, content issues aside, was
the one kill where they explicitly stated the acts of the men. All of the operations of this group were really unexplored, and I liked the mystique of "are they doing good? are they simply guns for hire? who are their clients?" I suppose the point was just supposed to be that Sawa was killing people guilty of violating children (har, irony, since the guy's constantly violating her without repercussion), but I don't believe we ever learned about one or two of the kills.
Just felt like something they should have tidied up one way or the other, in my opinion.


If you like ultra-violence, a subdued story, super 90s settings/designs, and awkward sexual content, be sure to give it a watch!
 
Dirty Pair: Project Eden

Not only is this the most visually stylish part of the Dirty Pair franchise, this is one of the most visually stylish anime films I've ever seen. You know you're in for a treat when this the opening shot:

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And it just keeps going from there. The opening sequence is the most arresting I've seen since the Cowboy Bebop movie - like it, it drops us into the lives of these characters it assume we're already familiar with as they reach the climax of another one of their capers. It's littered with gratuitously cool shots:

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The tilted camera angle is often used by mediocre storyboarders who want to give their work some visual variety but don't know how to use it in a way that makes sense. Here it completely works, partially due to the unabashedly near-sideways tilting, partially because of the way it highlights the reflection of the red heels - a Dirty Pair staple - and partially because it just looks so good.

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As we follow the Dirty Pair's movements we also get glimpses of the happy tourists vacationing around them, including this ultra-gratuitous shot of a woman high-diving against the fantastical background of space.

After the caper's end in inevitable explosions, a piece of debris flies right into our face, providing a dramatic transition into an incredible credits sequence with surreal abstract imagery that reflects both the film's theme of the creation of artificial life and the franchise's focus on action:

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The rest of the film is a near flawless execution of what this franchise is about, and even provides a strong emotional component with the relationship between Kei and Carson. There's none of the tone disconnects that Nolandia had; even when things get "serious", it's never too serious. The soundtrack helps a lot as well - this is the sort of thing cheesy 80s synth was made for.

It also features the best mad scientist ever:

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Just look at that smirk. He even has his own theme song!

In summary: if you like old-school action, you owe it to yourself to watch Project Eden. It blew me away.
 
Oh man, I know! It's kinda sad how people put it down so early too. I mean sure, plenty of it is wank material for us fans of the game, but a lot of it is still just solidly done in general, and Yu is just really good. I can't over-explain enough to people just how well I think they've adapted the game, and it's so good that it does plenty things better than the game even did.
Not really since most of what's solidly done is how extra appealing it is from those who've played the game than having any wider appeal outside of that. It's still too inconsistent to even recommend the anime over playing the game.
 
Not really since most of what's solidly done is how extra appealing it is from those who've played the game than having any wider appeal outside of that. It's still too inconsistent to even recommend the anime over playing the game.
I wouldn't recommend one over the other; I'd recommend both. I feel that they're just really good together that like, now I can't imagine not making sure to go through the content of both of them.

I'd put the anime second though to up the appreciation, though I suspect this opinion of mine may potentially change after the Golden comes out. You do the least fulfilling first to get a greater appreciation the changes made, at least, that's the way I look at it.

Also, I know a bunch of people who've never played the game but are loving the anime. I know it's not representative of the world, but I think the anime has succeeded in bringing in some new fans.

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someone is a Vesperia fan =/
I'm still upset at no Vesperia PS3 in NA. We deserve pirate lolis too.

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I love how Homura's abilities are portrayed.

That said,
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Ron Simmons is the man.
 
I wouldn't recommend one over the other; I'd recommend both. I feel that they're just really good together that like, now I can't imagine not making sure to go through the content of both of them.
I wouldn't recommend the anime because the anime is mostly for the fans, by the fans. It's also easier to forgive the narrative within the game's structure than how they've paced the anime so far.

I'd put the anime second though to up the appreciation, though I suspect this opinion of mine may potentially change after the Golden comes out. You do the least fulfilling first to get a greater appreciation the changes made, at least, that's the way I look at it.
Which is why I say the anime doesn't work nearly as well without the experience from playing the game.

Also, I know a bunch of people who've never played the game but are loving the anime. I know it's not representative of the world, but I think the anime has succeeded in bringing in some new fans.
The anime is at its best when it isn't following the source, but a lot of that is fan titillation for those who've already played the game.
 
I wouldn't recommend the anime because the anime is mostly for the fans, by the fans. It's also easier to forgive the narrative within the game's structure than how they've paced the anime so far.

Which is why I say the anime doesn't work nearly as well without the experience from playing the game.

The anime is at its best when it isn't following the source, but a lot of that is fan titillation for those who've already played the game.

I guess the main point i'm trying to make is that I am 100% biased and blinded to any legitimate points you make by my love for the series. I can kinda agree with you in some spots though.
 
I dunno, gen. The only time I'd say that the love for the game is needed is in the beginning, as it really works to fill the obvious holes in. Past those first few eps, I'd argue that the show stands on its own, and especially so in this latter half.
 
I guess the main point i'm trying to make is that I am 100% biased and blinded to any legitimate points you make by my love for the series. I can kinda agree with you in some spots though.
You could say I'm even more bias: I prefer P3 > P4.

I dunno, gen. The only time I'd say that the love for the game is needed is in the beginning, as it really works to fill the obvious holes in. Past those first few eps, I'd argue that the show stands on its own, and especially so in this latter half.
Individual episodes, yes. But overall? Not nearly as good as it should have been.
 
Puella Magi Madoka Magica 8

Fuck fuck fuuuuuuuuuuuck I didn't expect Kyubey to get shot up. I had to pause for a bit to calm myself down! Homura's breakdown was creepy too. What the hell?

sayaka noooooooo
and at last I finally understand why Kyubey gets so much shit. I though I'd be able to handle him but I'd like to choke that little fuck.
 
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