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Why did Carl become such a little shit? I believe two episodes before he was asking his mother to name the child after Sofia, and then he attacks Carol like that...anyone miss this or is Shane getting to him?
 
I find myself paying closer attention to when T-Dawg is on screen now. He got a line of dialogue and 2.5 scenes tonight, he's moving up in the world.

I enjoyed the episode. Very low-key, but I like this kind of thing. Make the characters confront the moralty of the world, it can't all be zombie killing every week.
 
No way Randall must live, lest Dales death be in vain.
The challenge to Rick is whether civilization dies with Dale, or Rick keeps civilization alive by -not- solving every problem with a bullet to someone's head. The question the show will probably explore now is whether there's something worthwhile gained from going the merciful route, even if it seems impractical and even dangerous in other, more immediate ways... This will be interesting.
 
Did everyone see the sneak peek for next week on Comic Book Men? T-Dawg says
"Yo Randy, The Governor called. You're off the hook."
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7LSXxxZ2G0

Interesting.

That's a common expression for
having your execution stopped. A state's governor is in charge of executions, and it's an old trope in movies and TV shows for a prisoner on death row waiting for the governor to call at the last minute.
 
It's a real gut punch to see Dale go, and I'm sure that's the point -- pull no punches, no one's safe. Still, there's really no one else quite like him in the group. He was a father figure, a warm character, a foil to all the hard-asses and he provided some much-needed levity.

I mean, just wow. And the saddest part is he died not knowing that in the end, Rick did the right thing. (Whether that "right thing" backfires doesn't change the fact it IS the right thing.)

I think that's the message the directors were trying to send with Dale's death.

People like Dale just aren't meant to survive in a world like that.

;_;
 
I actually thought the cow was going to end up being a zombie.

Why aren't any other species affected by this... whatever it is? Starting to strain credibility.
General "TWD writing complaint" joke goes here.

Does anyone else scan the vicinity for zombies every time you step outside?

You can't see Stealth Zombies coming, man. They're Thief class and have the Silent Footfall perk.

Plus, he was out of frame. If the audience can't see something, the characters can't either!

Why did Carl become such a little shit? I believe two episodes before he was asking his mother to name the child after Sofia, and then he attacks Carol like that...anyone miss this or is Shane getting to him?

It's because his parents pay no attention to his whereabouts or his mental development during a zombie apocalypse.

I think that's the message the directors were trying to send with Dale's death.

People like Dale just aren't meant to survive in a world like that.

;_;

Eh... maybe.

But I think so far the show's message (if it has one) has been more like, "Even if being like Dale means making yourself vulnerable, the alternative is giving up your humanity."
 
Figures that the guy who couldn't see a HERD of zombies coming up the freeway doesn't see a lone zombie in a gigantic field. Poor Dale :(

The latter half of the season is showing an annoying trend. There seems to be one really good part of the episode (Nebraska, Rick/Shane fight, Dale's shocking death), and then a COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS part (Lori driving off alone, leaving suicidal girl with suicidal Andrea, complete lack of supervision of Carl mere days after Sophia dies).

It'd be nice if we could get just one solid, complete episode without some contrived crap, but I get the feeling we need to move off the farm for that to happen, and I don't see that happening until Season 3.
 
Zombie can barely get unstuck from mud but can rip open a man's abdomen...

Preview thought
Being Devil's advocate, if the kid wasn't going to rat them out before, he really has no reason not to now. I really hope at some point if they get caught by that other group, the kid tells them he was ready to join up with them and get away from those other guys up until the torture/near execution...

Looooooooll, oh yeaah.

He also got the deer killed.
 
They let a chick that tried to commit suicide live and let Dale die?
I can't believe that. I would have more expected Daryl to go before Dale.
 
You can't see Stealth Zombies coming, man. They're Thief class and have the Silent Footfall perk.

Plus, he was out of frame. If the audience can't see something, the characters can't either!

It was nighttime, a bit foggy, and pretty dark.

/devil's advocate

Yeah, that was pretty cheap. I'm not against him dying, but can I get a serious answer why a zombie would have left a still living cow, with a TON of meat on it, a walking Brasa Steakhouse for a zombie, with the meal only just started? No way in hell, and that's using the show's logic.

Mazzara? If you're reading, gotta be honest when the characters get killed. This one was silly.

Harry Potter said:
If you are getting the shit kicked out of you why the hell would you tell a story about how your group is a bunch of rapists.

Trying to be honest and make the point that he didn't do anything like that? Point out how different he was from his group?
 
Jeffrey DeMunn, the actor behind the famed Daleface, is very close to now persona non grata Frank Darabont - so his departure this season after Darabont's unceremonious firing shouldn't be that much of a surprise.
 
Dale had no chance tonight. He couldn't spot a pack of zombies on a highway, how was he supposed to spot one stealth zombie at night?
 
Jeffrey DeMunn, the actor behind the famed Daleface, is very close to now persona non grata Frank Darabont - so his departure this season after Darabont's unceremonious firing shouldn't be that much of a surprise.

That's a shame. I'm hoping it still signals a new expendability of characters on this show.
 
Dale had no chance tonight. He couldn't spot a pack of zombies on a highway, how was he supposed to spot one stealth zombie at night?

lol, good point.

But in his defense, they were out of frame :|

That's a shame. I'm hoping it still signals a new expendability of characters on this show.

Die, Andrea. Die.

The challenge to Rick is whether civilization dies with Dale, or Rick keeps civilization alive by -not- solving every problem with a bullet to someone's head. The question the show will probably explore now is whether there's something worthwhile gained from going the merciful route, even if it seems impractical and even dangerous in other, more immediate ways... This will be interesting.

Yep.

For an infinitely more well-written exploration of this theme, everyone who hasn't should read The Road.
 
It's a real gut punch to see Dale go, and I'm sure that's the point -- pull no punches, no one's safe. Still, there's really no one else quite like him in the group. He was a father figure, a warm character, a foil to all the hard-asses and he provided some much-needed levity.

I mean, just wow. And the saddest part is he died not knowing that in the end, Rick did the right thing. (Whether that "right thing" backfires doesn't change the fact it IS the right thing.)

Hershel has to step it up, he's the patriarch now.
 
That's a common expression for
having your execution stopped. A state's governor is in charge of executions, and it's an old trope in movies and TV shows for a prisoner on death row waiting for the governor to call at the last minute.

Ah, you're probably right, nevermind then. Was reading too much into things.

At least T-Dawg will finally get to say a full sentence.
 
His character shtick was getting old, but seeing him go out like that was rough. If Randall does escape, maybe he will bring his friends back and that will be the season finale
 
I wonder if the guy playing T-Dog gets his two line script, sees that one of those lines is "All hell naw," and has to take a moment to breathe deeply and remind himself how much he's being paid.
 
That's a shame. I'm hoping it still signals a new expendability of characters on this show.

Not the first time real world antics/events has redirected a show's narrative. First one that comes to mind is Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros' departure on Lost, or Kal Penn's sudden absence on House.

Wha?? What's this about Darabont's "unceremonious firing??"

http://badassdigest.com/2011/08/10/...-of-frank-darabonts-firing-from-walking-dead/

http://badassdigest.com/2012/01/23/...otiations-to-join-frank-darabonts-new-show-l/
 
I wonder if the guy playing T-Dog gets his two line script, sees that one of those lines is "All hell naw," and has to take a moment to breathe deeply and remind himself how much he's being paid.
I got a hearty laugh out of this. XD

Again, though, what's this about Darabont being fired?
 
Hey guys. Having a busy night and haven't even gotten to watch the episode yet, but I will say that I'd been waiting to be able to discuss this episode for a long time now, especially with the comic fans. I'm gonna wait until after Talking Dead (as I'm not sure how much I should say) and see if Nicotero talks about it. But I will say that a few of you have already hit the mark.

Back in a few!
 
I didn't agree with Dale a lot of the time. Thought he could be really stubborn and too preachy. But it's always hard to watch a genuinely good guy go, no matter how much you disagreed with them.

Dale deserved better than that. =/
 
OK, the shock and slap-happy coping mechanism has worn off, and now I'm just mad, frustrated and depressed Dale died, and so horribly. Seriously. :(
 
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