NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

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Ceebs said:
Any team that wants to consider having a QB learn under Manning should just take themselves out of the picture right away based on some of the stories you hear about him. All the stories out there makes it seem like he has a very antagonistic relationship with the other QBs on the team. I know I saw one story about his days at Tennessee where he was locking other quarterbacks out of the facility so he was the only one to watch film or just generally being deceptive around them. If he was a good player to mentor under you would think the bums the Colts trotted out last season would have been at least competent. He is just too competitive for that kind of role.
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lol, what the fuck
 
squicken said:
And don't think I'm in anyway defending the Rams. Their roster is worse than the Colts. I not only want to trade out of two, I want to trade out of 4 or 6 to someone who wants Richardson or Tannehill. The Rams are brutally awful at too many positions to waste a top 10 pick on Justin Blackmon
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Agreed. If we stay at 4 or 6 though, we definitely take Blackmon. Correct? I would rather fill as many holes as possible, but we'll have to see how that works.
 
Ceebs said:
If he was a good player to mentor under you would think the bums the Colts trotted out last season would have been at least competent. He is just too competitive for that kind of role.
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Manning took all the reps in practices iirc leaving none for the backup QBs who I think they brought in knowing they were garbo (and cheap) to begin with because him being hurt was simply never considered. Orlovsky ended up serviceable and might have put together a decent enough season had he been given the starting role at the onset but playing musical chairs with your QBs was a recipe for disaster. I don' think Painter ever had the ability to play at a professional level and Collins never really had time to learn the offense before getting concussed.

That said, I don't see any team bringing Peyton in unless they're going to make a SB run in the next season or two. He's there to win now, not groom a replacement.
 
skinnyrattler said:
I'm don't care about the implications but I would cut Vick for Manning. Even if you only get another good 3 years out of him.
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The team was 7-2 last year in games Vick started and didnt get hurt. I think the odds of Vick having a good year this year are much better then the odds Manning does. I would take a chance on Manning in a second if the Eagles didnt already have Vick, but they do and it seems silly to dump Vick and hope Manning is healthy. Vick showed the last 4 games that he will be more careful with the ball and he wont scramble unless he absolutely has to. Th Eagles dont need to upgrade the QB position, they just need to worry about making the defense better this year.
 
Ceebs said:
Any team that wants to consider having a QB learn under Manning should just take themselves out of the picture right away based on some of the stories you hear about him. All the stories out there makes it seem like he has a very antagonistic relationship with the other QBs on the team. I know I saw one story about his days at Tennessee where he was locking other quarterbacks out of the facility so he was the only one to watch film or just generally being deceptive around them. If he was a good player to mentor under you would think the bums the Colts trotted out last season would have been at least competent. He is just too competitive for that kind of role.
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This always got to me. Jim Sorgi was with Manning for years, you figure he would have picked something, anything up. Same with Painter.

Duing Colts Steelers last year Michelle Tafoya was talking about how Painter did "mental reps" to prepare. No physical ones? How are you on a team for 3 years and not get any practice reps?
 
skinnyrattler said:
I'm don't care about the implications but I would cut Vick for Manning. Even if you only get another good 3 years out of him.
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Behind that OL (admittedly got better as the year went on) and facing guys like Osi, Tuck, JPP, Ware, Spencer, Ratliff, Orakpo, and Kerrigan twice a year each? AND cold weather? AND going up against his brother twice a season, which the Mannings have been on record saying that they hate?

Not a chance he ever comes to the NFC East. Even if it's not the Eagles, 'cause then he is playing against Babin/Cole and the wide 9.
 
yankeehater said:
The team was 7-2 last year in games Vick started and didnt get hurt. I think the odds of Vick having a good year this year are much better then the odds Manning does. I would take a chance on Manning in a second if the Eagles didnt already have Vick, but they do and it seems silly to dump Vick and hope Manning is healthy. Vick showed the last 4 games that he will be more careful with the ball and he wont scramble unless he absolutely has to. Th Eagles dont need to upgrade the QB position, they just need to worry about making the defense better this year.
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:jnc, what a qualifier. I'm sure being another year older and taking an additional years worth of hits will make Vick much less injury prone than he was last year.
 
BigAT said:
:jnc, what a qualifier. I'm sure being another year older and taking an additional years worth of hits will make Vick much less injury prone than he was last year.
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You obviously didnt watch the last 4 games Vick played after coming back, and why would you, but he really changed hi style of play. He only had 50 yards rushing in those last 4 games, which would have been even the lowest 3 game total for his career. The OL was hugely improved, and it will be even better this year. Early in the season Vick didnt trust them, rightfully so, and he would look to run right away. That was causing hit to take way to many hits. You cant totally cut out injuries, but I think Vick will be more healthy this year, and have a really good season.
 
I refuse to be optimistic

we will sign peyton manning and he will die on the field midway through the year

don't come here if you want to survive peyton, the dolphins are the new clippers pre 2011


but seriously, signing peyton and drafting a qb in the second round means our franchise is literally doing the same thing has been doing since marino, even though peyton would obviously be the best 'save our job' candidate since pennington
 
yankeehater said:
You obviously didnt watch the last 4 games Vick played after coming back, and why would you, but he really changed hi style of play. He only had 50 yards rushing in those last 4 games, which would have been even the lowest 3 game total for his career. The OL was hugely improved, and it will be even better this year. Early in the season Vick didnt trust them, rightfully so, and he would look to run right away. That was causing hit to take way to many hits. You cant totally cut out injuries, but I think Vick will be more healthy this year, and have a really good season.
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I didn't watch them because they were garbage games when they were effectively eliminated from the playoffs. Stop treating them like gospel.
 
yankeehater said:
You obviously didnt watch the last 4 games Vick played after coming back, and why would you, but he really changed hi style of play. He only had 50 yards rushing in those last 4 games, which would have been even the lowest 3 game total for his career.
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As most any Eagles fan will tell you (including effzee) - he did this stuff against 4 poor teams at the end of the season.

To further the point, you talk as though his rushing ability is what gets him injured which is decidedly not the case. Vick's injuries occur in the pocket a vast majority of the time. You could look at last year as evidence of this. The big shot to the head in the Falcons game...in the pocket. The broken hand/finger in the Giants game...in the pocket. It's not his scrambling for rushing yards that generally gets him into trouble. It's the fact that he's a small framed guy that simply can't take the kind of cumulative punishment in the pocket that NFC East (and other) defenses are going to bring his way.

Do you think the Giants, Cowboys and Redskins don't go into their divisional games with a game plan that revolves around hitting Michael Vick? Not specifically to injure the guy but they know he can be rattled and with enough damage - he may even have to sit (BOUNTYGATE!).

The other part that sort of throws me is that you're actively rooting for Michael Vick to essentially stop being Michael Vick. i.e. don't make plays with your legs. Stay in the pocket and don't do exactly what people pay to see him do. If the goal of the Eagles coaching staff is to eliminate that part of his game - then why are they hanging their franchise on a man who's made a career of rushing for 1000 yards from the QB position? I understand the want to turn him into a better pocket passer but why actively root for him to become one dimensional?
 
overcast said:
Agreed. If we stay at 4 or 6 though, we definitely take Blackmon. Correct? I would rather fill as many holes as possible, but we'll have to see how that works.
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His pro day is today I think, so we'll see what the reports are. The problem with him is he is not that tall, and not that fast. So I think he has a limited ceiling, but also is unlikely to be a bust. But if you draft top 10, then it needs to be a guy who can change games for you. Morris Claiborn would be who they take a #4, but I still think they would try and trade out

We'll know after free agency. It's why they want to do a deal before it starts. Once Manning signs then I think a deal could happen
 
yankeehater said:
The team was 7-2 last year in games Vick started and didnt get hurt. I think the odds of Vick having a good year this year are much better then the odds Manning does. I would take a chance on Manning in a second if the Eagles didnt already have Vick, but they do and it seems silly to dump Vick and hope Manning is healthy. Vick showed the last 4 games that he will be more careful with the ball and he wont scramble unless he absolutely has to. Th Eagles dont need to upgrade the QB position, they just need to worry about making the defense better this year.
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Manning is more accurate and I think he probably has 5 decent years and a few more good to great years. Vick, even though he's younger, will only have an equal number of years. And he hasn't finished 16 total games. Yeah, Peyton is slower but he's taller and can get rid of the ball. We have a run game that Peyton would love. Even at Vick's best, he's nowhere near Peyton. Peyton feasted everytime he played against us because he studies and knew how to bust up our blitzes. He's not completely immune but we have taken a gamble on Vick based on one great run. Give me Peyton any day of the week, assuming he's recovered.


cuevas said:
Why not trade Vick? Maybe to the cards or miami.
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I like the way you think. If we snag Peyton, we can trade vick for a box of potato chips. I want a trophy, burn it all down now. I don't care. Do whatever you have to get me a trophy. Fuckers didn't stop themselves from getting 3 corners. Just give me 2 probowl QBs. Fuck. God, I hate this team sometimes.
 
skinnyrattler said:
Manning is more accurate and I think he probably has 5 decent years and a few more good to great years. Vick, even though he's younger, will only have an equal number of years. And he hasn't finished 16 total games. Yeah, Peyton is slower but he's taller and can get rid of the ball. We have a run game that Peyton would love. Even at Vick's best, he's nowhere near Peyton. Peyton feasted everytime he played against us because he studies and knew how to bust up our blitzes. He's not completely immune but we have taken a gamble on Vick based on one great run. Give me Peyton any day of the week, assuming he's recovered.
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You're saying he has like 8 "good" years left? Eeeeh.
 
Schefter saying Manning will pick his team within the next week

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7659947/peyton-manning-aims-pick-team-week-sources-say

Peyton Manning's camp is aiming to make a decision on where he will play next season within the next week, according to sources, who add that while Manning prefers to stay in the AFC, he is open to playing in the NFC.

Sources say 12 teams reached out to Peyton Manning's representatives on Wednesday, after he was released, to gauge his interest in playing for their teams. Many of the teams already have been publicized, but some inevitably will want to keep it secret.

Of those 12 teams, sources tell ESPN that the Arizona Cardinals, Seattle Seahawks, Washington Redskins, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs, Denver Broncos and New York Jets have actually been in contact with Manning's representatives.

The Dallas Cowboys, however, aren't one of the 12 teams with interest in Manning. A high-ranking team source told ESPN's Ed Werder on Thursday that the team remains committed to Tony Romo and will not pursue, contact or demonstrate any interest in Manning.

The Indianapolis Colts officially released Manning on Wednesday and he will become a free agent and be eligible to negotiate and sign with teams as soon as he clears waivers Thursday. The 14-year veteran does not need to wait until the free-agent period that begins next Tuesday, and he acknowledged his agent already was taking calls.

"I have no idea who wants me, what team wants me, how this process works," Manning told a group of reporters in South Florida, where he has a home and flew after the news conference Wednesday. "I don't know if it's like college recruiting where you go take visits. I mean, this is all so new to me."

Manning missed the entire 2011 season after having his third neck surgery in 19 months, a fusion of two vertebrae. But Dr. Robert Watkins, who performed the single-level cervical fusion, has stated publicly that he has cleared Manning to resume his playing career and the damaged nerves have regenerated to the point where Manning has thrown the ball with greater distance and velocity in the past few weeks.
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The Dallas Cowboys, however, aren't one of the 12 teams with interest in Manning. A high-ranking team source told ESPN's Ed Werder on Thursday that the team remains committed to Tony Romo and will not pursue, contact or demonstrate any interest in Manning.
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I didn't want Manning, but this commitment is an ongoing source of nausea for me.


The Chiefs would be very interesting for Manning, great home stadium and a great fanbase.
 
Fox318 said:
Jacobs was shit on constantly but he was the reason why the Giants running game worked as well as it did.
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When the Giants running game was good, you couldn't argue with Jacobs physicality. That having been said, the offensive line was the reason the Giants running game worked as well as it did. Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw were the beneficiaries. The 2008 team specifically had the best offensive line in the game, IMO.

I'll amend that comment for 2011:

Jacobs was shit on constantly but he (along with Bradshaw) was the reason why the Giants pass protection worked as well as it did.
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DeaconKnowledge said:
Even at his peak a guy of his size should have been way more physical than he was.
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I disagree. I don't know how much more physicality you'd want from a guy than Jacobs in '07 and especially '08. He was a human trucking highlight reel but as I've said time and time again - the guys needs solid blocking to be effective. He's not the type of back that can make things happen by himself. The fact that he's excellent in pass protection is often ignored because folks expect him to be running folks over.

EDIT: Giants have resigned both CB Bruce Johnson and TE Jake Ballard.

Both have signed a 1 year, 540k contract.

Also, Eli Manning has apparently restructured his contract to reduce his overall cap hit by 6.75 million as per Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo ‏

Yup, Manning did a simple restructure. Lowered his cap number by $6.75 million. Raises it in future years. Full blog coming.
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More details:

Ralph Vacchiano

His cap number is now $9.6M for this season, which is nearly $7M less than it was. ... It balloons to over $20M next year, though. #NYG
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Here's the yearly breakdown according to Garafolo:

While Manning's cap number grew smaller this season, the numbers for the next three years grew by $2.25 million each. A look at his cap numbers:

2013: $20.85m (was $18.6m)
2014: $20.4m (was $18.15)
2015: $19.75 (was $17.5)
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Never been a fan of Jacobs. Even at his peak a guy of his size should have been way more physical than he was.
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he was fantastic at turning 4-5 gains into 7-8 yard gains though, about as good as anyone at that in fact.

at other stuff, sure, not the greatest (never a good short yardage runner, though that's not too surprising).
 
TheDrizzlerJ11 said:
Surprised Ballard couldn't do better than a 1 year 540k contract.
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He's coming off of an ACL tear and will likely end up on the PUP list missing the first 6 games of the season. He's also an exclusive rights/restricted free agent.
 
You guys should grab Davonne Bess in fantasy this year if Peyton's a fin. As our smartest receiver, he's gonna have a great year.

Futurevoid said:
He's coming off of an ACL tear and will likely end up on the PUP list missing the first 6 games of the season. He's also an exclusive rights/restricted free agent.
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Ah, nvm then.
 
Raiders OLB/DE Kamerion Wimbley will be cut

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/40797/evening-afc-west-notes-115

Unless there is a major change, it appears Oakland Raiders linebacker Kamerion Wimbley will be released. The Raiders and Wimbley’s agent have not talked in several days. Wimbley is open to being creative about a new contract that would allow the Raiders to restructure his contract and keep him. He is not interested in talking a pay cut.

The Raiders need to cut several million dollars to get under the salary cap by Tuesday. If Wimbley becomes a free agent, I would think the San Diego Chargers could be a favorite to land him. The Chargers will look at pass-rushers and Wimbley would be one of the better one on the market.
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Futurevoid said:
While Manning's cap number grew smaller this season, the numbers for the next three years grew by $2.25 million each. A look at his cap numbers:

2013: $20.85m (was $18.6m)
2014: $20.4m (was $18.15)
2015: $19.75 (was $17.5)
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I don't get this restructuring stuff. Why would you do that, especially coming off a SB? The way these contracts seem to work, I'd never give away "now" money for future money, unless I'd get cut otherwise. I mean just look at Peyton, a backloaded contract seems worth nothing in the NFL, as they'll just cut you or make you rework it once they have to pay you.

What am I missing here?
 
Milchjon said:
I don't get this restructuring stuff. Why would you do that, especially coming off a SB? The way these contracts seem to work, I'd never give away "now" money for future money, unless I'd get cut otherwise. I mean just look at Peyton, a backloaded contract seems worth nothing in the NFL, as they'll just cut you or make you rework it once they have to pay you.

What am I missing here.
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Does an agent's percentage get calculated based on money received or money signed for?
 
Milchjon said:
I don't get this restructuring stuff. Why would you do that, especially coming off a SB? The way these contracts seem to work, I'd never give away "now" money for future money, unless I'd get cut otherwise. I mean just look at Peyton, a backloaded contract seems worth nothing in the NFL, as they'll just cut you or make you rework it once they have to pay you.

What am I missing here?
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Isn't it just for more cap room for the current season?
 
Milchjon said:
The way these contracts seem to work, I'd never give away "now" money for future money, unless I'd get cut otherwise. I mean just look at Peyton, a backloaded contract seems worth nothing in the NFL, as they'll just cut you or make you rework it once they have to pay you.
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From a team or player perspective? From Eli's perspective, it's a win. He gets 9 million dollars TODAY. Guaranteed. Money that was not guaranteed before.

From a team perspective, it allows them to free up cap space RIGHT NOW. The Giants are reported to be over 7-9 million at the moment. This frees up nearly 7 million with player like Kareem MacKenzie, David Diehl and Brandon Jacobs possibly still on the chop block (that's nearly 12 million in salary cap space between those three players).
 
BaltimoreLarry said:
Well, I just got some shitty news. I need Peyton to sign with Baltimore to bring me up. Please let us be one of the 12 teams.
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Peyton better not come to the North. I am pretty sure he won't though and will to go to a dome team with good personnel.

I think Minny is out because APs injury is a question mark. Dallas and Detroit could be possible destinations depending on what ownership thinks of their current qb's. Arizona also might work, but I hate their owners so I don't think they deserve him. They probably dont has the balls to admit Kolb is a bum (ie pulling a yankeehater). New Orleans won't want him. Anyone else?
 
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