heliosRAzi
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Bioware's DLC ending
Different subject: I like that Legion is possibly the first Geth to take up arms against the assholish quarians.
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Bioware's DLC ending
Different subject: I like that Legion is possibly the first Geth to take up arms against the assholish quarians.
XANDER CAGE
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On a completely different note, this was easily the funniest moment of the game. The whole game was full of comedic gems, but this one took the cake.
oh jesus that scene is even funnier with custom shepards
All of the endings are pretty open to continuing the franchise though.. they'll just say they scavenged some reaper tech XX years down the line and figured out how to get the relays going again. Although it doesn't seem like reapers even needed that to travel great distances quickly.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yeah. They put a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge frickin' emphasis on Harbinger being the Reaper General. He even personally came down to fuck you up at the Conduit.
But then he just flies away.
Again, unlike DXHR, the ME games were more about character interaction and relationships (think about how many people describe 'their' Shepard and the decisions they made) while DXHR is very much touching on themes and player agency (did this non-lethal until event X or I was a crazy killer mofo the entire game).
The ending to DXHR is a bit souring but makes sense. Everything from the sidequests to the main plot all dealt with perspectives on transhumanism, so the ending makes sense in a way - you have played through the game and seen multiple perspectives; what is your opinion on the matter, is roughly what the ending decisions in DXHR (or DX1) represent.
You can argue there is some closure before the final battle in ME3 but I could argue that people wanted a proper epilogue. What happened to all my squadmates? Sounds cheesy as hell but even I was expecting something along the lines of that but the ending just takes everything you've done - all the choices you made - and just sidelines them (because not all plot threads/character arcs had complete resolution) in favour of "Shepard is a legend now, because synthesis/control/destroy".
The sad part is that your war score only influences the decisions you can make in the end, nothing else. There are no any real consequences for having less than the minimum besides choices (e.g. the fleet is immediately routed, everyone dies in a vain attempt, story ends there), just barely scraping the minimum (you make it down to earth but you lose some of your crew), or being as prepared as you can be (signs the battle is in your favour).
Shouta
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It doesn't really matter. They suffer from the same problems in regards to the ending. They don't build the game enough in that area to justify doing what they did with it. It's a double slap for ME because of how character driven it was at times but still, the story never set up the synthetic/organic fight as prominently as it should have. DXHR just never presents compelling arguments for the choices, at least to me.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Like the ending I posted earlier, they should make you earn the happy ending. The epilogue should show the races rebuilding. Some of us brokered peace between the geth and the quarians and gave the krogan a second chance and we were robbed of a suitable epilogue for them.
Empty Space
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This really bummed me out. That asshole spent the whole second game mocking all my characters efforts against it. Sovereign got his, but Harbinger who according to the Codex is the first or at least oldest living reaper gets to fly away ultimately getting exactly what it wants.
WrenchNinja
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I went with the synthesis ending. That was straight up beast machines technorganic bullshit.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yeah. It was a fucked up day for all of us, man.
Alternatively, I thought that the Indoctrination/Lazarus plot point at the end was really good and I'm glad that they did not try to lay it out in exposition for newbies sake.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Meh, they kind of made it a big deal in this game, but it was hardly touched upon in ME2. Another reason why the endings come out of no where
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Does Harbinger get any speaking line in this?
I know he's the one who attacks you when you're trying to reach the Conduit, but I'm not sure if he says anything. Or gets a notable role in a cutscene or something.
PinkCrayon
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Unfortunately not. The only time you talk to a reaper is when you kill the one on the Quarian homeworld. Would've liked a little back and forth throughout the game. Then again, it may have been too similar to the TIM scenes.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Who is that?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
He gets one line in the Dream World (which I think is the same as the post-credits world):
"Shepard"
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
My custom Shepard talking to EDI. Spent ages creating him in ME1. Was able to convert him into a usable face code in ME2. Imported nearly perfectly into ME3.
Too bad the same can't be said about my FemShep. I hate that they screwed with the hair styles.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hah, okay. Which EDI conversation is that?
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
The one where she jokes about shutting off the oxygen. Scared the shit out of Shepard. EDI was damn excellent in this game despite her sexy fembot body.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Who did everyone take into the Leng battle?
I had Javik, so I would basically just throw a Lift Grenade at Leng to kill all his guards right away.
I was also an engineer, so I threw down a turret and a Sphere and he went down so fast.
I had Javik, so I would basically just throw a Lift Grenade at Leng to kill all his guards right away.
I was also an engineer, so I threw down a turret and a Sphere and he went down so fast.
Empty Space
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I played a Vanguard that class is completely and utterly broken. I still don't know how exactly Banshees work because I just Charge Nova everything. I would try and bring Javik and Liara when ever I could so the enemies would have been under the effects of some biotic power causing a detonation.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Vanguard for life, bro. I had Liara and Javik. I thought Javik might have some additional lines for Vendetta.
I loled when Legion said her chassis was top heavy
Remember when Mass Effect was cool?
I loved that conversation.
I can't believe how badly Bioware butchered the franchise.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Please God, let someone make a YT editing in BOTH Reaper Reveals from ME1 and ME2, and showcasing how they basically contradict each other word for word.
ME1: "Incapable of understanding."
ME2: "I created the Reapers in order to wipe out advanced civilizations."
ME1: "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it."
ME3: *uh.... no mention of this ascended state at all. In fact, they go on to say that races are wiped out completely before they get to a singularity*
ME1: "Reaper. A label given by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction."
ME3: "LOL I called them that."
ME1: "Life is a genetic mutation. An accident."
ME3: "I created the Reapers to keep life in balance."
ME1: "We are the pinnacle of evolution."
ME3: "I made the Reapers."
ME1: "The cycle cannot be broken."
ME3: "We need to break the cycle."
ME1: "... the legacy of my kind."
ME3: "LOL my species created the Reapers."
Not to mention the fact that if you choose to speak to the Reaper you defeat on Rannoch, it will basically tell you their entire plan.
MotionBlue
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Just beat it, some questions:
- The Citadel just magically appears near Earth? What happened to the billions of aliens on it? Why does nobody seem to care about this?
- What happens to your squadmates at the mad dash with Harbinger attacking? They disappeared.
- I was startled that I didn't have enough Paragon charm for TIM's third option. What happens when you do? I think I missed 1 or 2 quests thanks to bugs. I am puzzled if that is why I couldn't. I was missing a sliver of reputation.
- Is there only the three ending options? I chose synthesis, and was sad that Shepard didn't get a final moment with his love interest.
Also, what is the "Secret ending" for New Game+?
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I had an almost perfect paragon playthrough. Saved Anderson, only to have him die. Then was given the three options(Destroy, control, synthesis)
- The Citadel just magically appears near Earth? What happened to the billions of aliens on it? Why does nobody seem to care about this?
- What happens to your squadmates at the mad dash with Harbinger attacking? They disappeared.
- I was startled that I didn't have enough Paragon charm for TIM's third option. What happens when you do? I think I missed 1 or 2 quests thanks to bugs. I am puzzled if that is why I couldn't. I was missing a sliver of reputation.
- Is there only the three ending options? I chose synthesis, and was sad that Shepard didn't get a final moment with his love interest.
Also, what is the "Secret ending" for New Game+?
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I had an almost perfect paragon playthrough. Saved Anderson, only to have him die. Then was given the three options(Destroy, control, synthesis)
- the reapers bumrushed it and 'transported' it to Earth
- fuck if I know, apparently Joker picks them up since they show up in the ending, but how? ... better just not to think about it
- he shoots himself
- supposedly confirmed with datamining the files for ending cinematics
- possibly rumor, possibly referencing the short clip with Sheps armor moving in the ruins (how? the whole fucking citadel blew up in orbit)
Empty Space
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A) The citadel can move its a giant space station how it moved doesn't really matter. There's a brief line where the people ask the question about what happened to the people inside. They probably got turned into reaper juice or husk. Either way everyone who was on it is now dead since it blew up.
B) they magically get on the Normandy and crash land on that planet with Joker.
C) TIM pulls a Saren goes NOOOO KEEP THEM OUT.... Bullet to the head. According to some to trigger this effect you must start to convince him he is wrong at the Cerberus base. I'm not sure how true that is.
D) Yup just those three and they all end they same way the explosions color is different and in the other two Joker doesn't have glowing eyes ore circuits in his skin.
E) The general consensus among the people in this thread is that there isn't a NEW game plus and its just wishful thinking on some peoples part.
WrenchNinja
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Why was TIM making a big deal about the EVA body to EDI? Nothing really cones out of it, I figured at the beginning of the mission with EDI begging to come along, she would be contrllled by TIM, but nothing happens. What was the point of the Lazarus project background stuff,? Shouldnt this stuff been sprinkled in me2 instead of the endhame of me3.
Killing Kai Leng with slowmo omniblade and Showed going "that was for thane, you sob" was pretty awesome.
Killing Kai Leng with slowmo omniblade and Showed going "that was for thane, you sob" was pretty awesome.
What happens if you don't renegade Kai Leng?
Empty Space
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I think its because EVA and EDI were both created for the VI on Luna. I saw the the Lazarus stuff as being there just to fill things in.
XANDER CAGE
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That conversation was really cool aesthetically (spooky voice! spooky music! spooky words!) but it's just as content/motivation deprived as the rest of the Reaper storylines.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That was due to it being a mystery, so I don't see how that's a bad thing. Sovy is an arrogant fuck.
MotionBlue
Member
EVA was much like EDI. Could call them sisters almost, they both arose from the Lunar VI and Reaper technology.
Lazarus project is brought up to show how Shepard is unnaturally resilient, as well as part synthetic.
XANDER CAGE
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When the big reveal to a mystery is "here is another mystery," it's not very satisfying. I also don't think Sovereign is really a fair character to pull an "unreliable character" card on, either, given how at that point he was the only Reaper we'd been shown, and his whole shtick was to show up, dispense some spooky Reaper facts, and then serve as an enemy character.
I don't know. I guess you could make the argument that he was supposed to be ambiguous, but it felt pretty hollow to me when I first played the game, and it still feels like a silly piece of writing. To me, it can only go two ways.
1. Sovereign tells you that Reapers are "beyond comprehension" but that's clearly not true because we're told what their purpose is in Mass Effect 2 and it's explained even further in 3. It's not explained well, but I mean, their plan is clearly comprehensible.
2. Sovereign tells you that Reapers are "beyond comprehension" because he's some kind of ancient space braggart, which is really hard to take seriously because, given that he's defeated at the end of ME1, it sort of paints the Reapers as easily fallible, which is kind of a dumb thing to do to your Big Bad in the first part of a trilogy.
Either way, I always found the Sovereign "reveal" in Mass Effect 1 to be eye-roll worthy. It didn't ruin the game for me, but it certainly drained me of any confidence that Bioware's writers could deliver a compelling villain.
You dodge the stab, shoot and oneline him anyway.
Empty Space
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Since ME3 didn't answer what the deal with TIM and his eyes was I looked into it myself. As I understand it he got exposed to some kind of indoctrination device during the First contact war, but was far enough from the exposure to not be completely effected. He then proceeds to try and stop a Turian who is Sarens brother on Palaven from using the device to create Marauders and evolving the Turian species forward.
Basically TIM does the exact same thing in ME3 that he tries to stop a Turian from doing 30 years prior.
Basically TIM does the exact same thing in ME3 that he tries to stop a Turian from doing 30 years prior.
I'd argue that their plan is completely incomprehensible because of the reveals in ME2 and ME3.
XANDER CAGE
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That too, haha.
MotionBlue
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TIM origin is covered in the comics. It is as you said, but I think he was indoctrinated at some level. His madness grew in ME3, but in the comics he was still very Machiavellian
Clearly not what they were going for, but it works in a 'fridge brilliance' kinda way.
MotionBlue
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Miranda is sterile, and can't have children.
dragonelite
Member
Dont care we can have a tube child.
Wouldn't make sense if her father wanted to continue his lineage making sterile offsprings.
THE Caffeinated
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It almost felt like it was all leading up to that one line from TIM to EDI, where he asks why she didn't destroy her and she replies she controlled her and he says "...Exactly"
I would've been totally fine with the sythesis ending if Shepard survived somehow and I could live out my retirement with Tali on Rannoch peacefully. I motherfucking earned that ending. Saving the Quarian race and the Geth, fighting the temptation of Miranda's ass all throughout ME2 all I wanted was little creepy human/quarian babies is that so much to ask for?!?
dragonelite
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Same here but i couldn't resist dat ass. So i opted for a Human kid not really into the idea of getting a blue Assari daughter. Then for my part mass effect 4 or World of Mass Effect could be 100 years later or Shepard becoming a political figure and somehow finding a solution to the dark energy stuff plot. Dont care if they ripped it from somewhere else.
All new Ip are influenced from other hell im pretty sure we could find X did it in Y media for every Z gaming IP.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
When I got to the ending and the Catalyst started to explain control and destroy, I just stood there thinking "Okay so which is the ending that will give me satisfaction after five years of intense gaming?"
- But there is another option.
- Oh thank god! What is it?
- You sacrifice yourself--
- Uh-uh, I'm listening...
- To make all races into the same robot species or something like that.
- Wait, like the reapers did when they absorbed all dna from past cycles to let smaller races evolve? What will this accomplish? Will all people become a part of a single mind like the geth? IS THIS THE HAPPIEST ENDING YOU'VE GOT AFTER ALL I'VE DONE?!
- Oh, and all mass relays will be destroyed no matter what you do.
- ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!
- But there is another option.
- Oh thank god! What is it?
- You sacrifice yourself--
- Uh-uh, I'm listening...
- To make all races into the same robot species or something like that.
- Wait, like the reapers did when they absorbed all dna from past cycles to let smaller races evolve? What will this accomplish? Will all people become a part of a single mind like the geth? IS THIS THE HAPPIEST ENDING YOU'VE GOT AFTER ALL I'VE DONE?!
- Oh, and all mass relays will be destroyed no matter what you do.
- ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!
Since everyone has already covered in detail how terrible the endings were can I just say that I thought the characters and their interaction with each other was really well done? Seemingly all of your crew had something interesting to say, the conversations they would occasionally have with each other were worth listening to and were genuinely humorous at times, and it was nice to see them move around the ship or visit the citadel instead of standing in one spot the whole game.
I need to know though, does the poker table ever get any use? I made sure to check that room every time I was back on the Normandy but I never got a 'Shep plays cards with the crew' moment.
I need to know though, does the poker table ever get any use? I made sure to check that room every time I was back on the Normandy but I never got a 'Shep plays cards with the crew' moment.
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