Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Rebel Leader said:
But..but...That would require creative work
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Like I said, I haven't played it yet, so I've no right to engage in snark....:( (Except for that Tali image, that's too funny).

It seems like other ideas I had about the series actually came through. I had a feeling after I beat the first game that the Relays would be destroyed and it seems that this happens in at least a couple endings. (If not all, I can't sort out everything yet).

Hmmm...I'm right next to a redbox. My 360 is fucked, certain games work while others don't. All of them face freezing problems but ME does have save anywhere. I never wanted to risk buying it only to not be able to play it, I might actually give it a rental though before I ruin every last aspect of the game.
 
darkpaladinmfc said:
You didn't think you were near the end when Hackett told you it was the point of no return?
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I don't remember him saying that. I just remember gathering all assests & completing side-missions before assulting TIM... If bioware can't flesh out their endings why shoukd I rember what characters say?
 
Kitschkraft said:
Like I said, I haven't played it yet, so I've no right to engage in snark....:( (Except for that Tali image, that's too funny).

It seems like other ideas I had about the series actually came through. I had a feeling after I beat the first game that the Relays would be destroyed and it seems that this happens in at least a couple endings. (If not all, I can't sort out everything yet).

Hmmm...I'm right next to a redbox. My 360 is fucked, certain games work while others don't. All of them face freezing problems but ME does have save anywhere. I never wanted to risk buying it only to not be able to play it, I might actually give it a rental though before I ruin every last aspect of the game.
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Want a redbox code? I have quite a few
 
It's tearing me apart as all of my friends who are playing it right now (didn't get released until yesterday here) ask me "So what'd you think of it", and my only answer is "No comment". They see it in my face that's something wrong, and there's nothing I can do about it.

Sooner or later, they will be crushed too.
 
I completely agree with everyone here.

I loved 3 so much that in the middle of the game I was planning a 3 game marathon sometime down the line to get my perfect ending.

Now having finished the game there is very little motivation to go back to that idea, why go through all that just to get *that* ending.

In fact I don't even know if I want to replay 3 with another one of my ME2 save games to see how different it is. Because I will always know that in the end I'm going to get *that* ending.

ME was 95% of a great game ruined by the ending.
 
Fudgepuppy said:
It's tearing me apart as all of my friends who are playing it right now (didn't get released until yesterday here) ask me "So what'd you think of it", and my only answer is "No comment". They see it in my face that's something wrong, and there's nothing I can do about it.

Sooner or later, they will be crushed too.
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be a little teary eyed & Just say

"I have seen the end, no one is spared" =3
 
What disappoints me about ME3 is that until I got to the ending I thought it was the best game of the trilogy. They finally hit the right balance of customization and cover shooting for combat, the dialog (while there was less of it) was generally better written and more engaging/interesting, and for the first time in the series I actually felt invested in the characters. Moments like shooting targets with Garrus, reflecting on your past exploits with the crew, and seeing where the team from the last mission ended up really made the game for me. I even started to come around to characters I had previously disliked such as Jack, Thane, or Aria.

But that ending. I genuinely cannot understand how anyone could look at the script for the ending sequence and think that what they had written there was a good idea. The game is great, the characters are fantastic (I even thought Brodude Mcbuffhuge was tolerable), and I really want to replay it with different choices to see what happens. However knowing that that horrible ending is there just kills my desire to do so entirely.
 
Did we even find out who made the Reapers or where they came from?

I mean I get there's a cycle, shit we learned that in ME1, but I don't recall getting very many answers. Are they supposed to be what we perceive as God? All that BS about ascending organics kind of sounds like our idea of Heaven to me and it would just save Bioware the trouble of coming up with answers, since no one really tries to comprehend the "well who made God then" question. We're just supposed to accept that they just exist.
 
Honestly, I'm glad they didn't go with a standard boss fight the end. It would have been so contrived and, in the Illusive Man's case, out-of-character.

That said, it's too bad the "philosophical battle" was so weak. DE: HR did a much better intellectual debate at the end between the bad guy who set up the conspiracy and the main character, even though it bungled it moments later by having a crappy boss fight and three horrible choices for endings too.

Here, there was no nuance, no ambiguity to any of of TIM's actions by that point. The Illusive Man character and Martin Sheen's talents were really wasted in this game.

This ending would have been acceptable if Bioware had the guts to stick with the plan and just have the Crucible fire and kill the Reapers. Or at least given a proper denouement. Instead, they cheated us out of any closure and ended the game on a weird note, with under-explained ending "decisions" (that for all purposes do the exact same thing) and terrible send-offs to the cast (your friends are stranded for some reason).
 
@Derrick
As I've said
Rebel Leader said:
And why the fuck couldn't we talk to the catalyst? That would of been a intresting scene..... Ask it: did it rebel against it's creators? why? Did you create the Crucible?

That was a missed treasure trove
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Here is the heart of the enemy and we can't even talk to it
 
The game's end is really like a scene in a movie where the lead is finally reuniting with his girlfriend hes been fighting to save and right when she comes running towards him in this glorious finale shes blind sided by a bus going 60, splattering her blood and brains across his face and having her lifeless carcass being dragged down the city block and then the screen goes black.
 
Enduin said:
The game's end is really like a scene in a movie where the lead is finally reuniting with his girlfriend hes been fighting to save and right when she comes running towards him in this glorious finale shes blind sided by a bus going 60, splattering her blood and brains across his face and having her lifeless carcass being dragged down the city block and then the screen goes black.
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That sounds way more awesome than the actual ending.
 
Wren said:
But that ending. I genuinely cannot understand how anyone could look at the script for the ending sequence and think that what they had written there was a good idea. The game is great, the characters are fantastic (I even thought Brodude Mcbuffhuge was tolerable), and I really want to replay it with different choices to see what happens. However knowing that that horrible ending is there just kills my desire to do so entirely.
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They knew the ending was shit, yet they still decided to go with it anyway to keep the release date, completely disregarding what players may think. This ending is a one huge "We milked you, now go FUCK YOURSELF!" from BioWare to their fanbase (if they even have any fanbase left).
 
TheSeks said:
s/terrible ending/anything since KotOR1.

And you'd be there with me. I knew ME1 was going to be shit. It was boring, with a bunch of filler but playing Dick Shepard made it somewhat worth it. Then it went all downhill fast.
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This man is wise. BioWare were seeding the roots of their blunders from the start. I jumped ship after the trainwreck of ME2 and I'm glad to read that decision was well made.

Derrick01 said:
Yeah if ME3 was bad almost from the start and kept going until the end like ME2 did it wouldn't have bothered me much. I'd still be upset with Bioware but going into this game I had 0 hype. I've watched Bioware for 2 years become terrible and I had gotten over ME2 and was over the story.
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I think this is why I still get so mad at this company. Every now and then they'll accidentally stumble upon something good but their attempts to manhandle it into a decent product are so clumsy and haphazard. It's like watching the village idiot trying to juggle a Ming vase.

Also, BioWare has been going bad for more than two years, sadly. I used to be a huge fan of theirs but now I can't even be bothered to purchase their products anymore. And I even bought an Xbox to play Jade Empire back in the day. :(
 
Enduin said:
The game's end is really like a scene in a movie where the lead is finally reuniting with his girlfriend hes been fighting to save and right when she comes running towards him in this glorious finale shes blind sided by a bus going 60, splattering her blood and brains across his face and having her lifeless carcass being dragged down the city block and then the screen goes black.
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More like she comes running toward him and then the director of the movie comes onscreen, says the main character will given three different ways to kill her and all that he loved (these choices being effectively the same), the main character rolls with one, dies, and then we cut to his family being stranded on the moon.
 
anyone see this?

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Am I the only one here who actually enjoyed the endings in DE:HR? I mean, other than the boss and choosing your ending by a button, the ending narrations nailed the themes the game was running with perfectly.

ME3 just punches you in the gut and pisses all over your hard work and choices.
 
Ending wasn't budgeted to be part of the actual game, is in fact DLC. Don't complain though, you wouldn't get it at all otherwise and all those people would be out of work!
 
Guesong said:
Considering I made the mistake of a digital distribution purchase on PC, I have no choice!

I'd have gladly returned it for 90 % credit had I gotten it for 360.
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if i had the physical copy i would sell it for $25 just so Bioware doesn't get paid full price
 
Tacitus_ said:
Am I the only one here who actually enjoyed the endings in DE:HR? I mean, other than the boss and choosing your ending by a button, the ending narrations nailed the themes the game was running with perfectly.

ME3 just punches you in the gut and pisses all over your hard work and choices.
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While it's true that the ending is at least in keeping with what's been previously established, the choices are too limiting and the repercussions don't make any sense.

Spoilers for the last ten minutes of HR:
So I tell the truth of what happened and then the world will shun technology forever? Ridiculous. I blow up the station in the apparent canonical ending, killing innocent people along with me? I can't choose TO LIVE and fight the conspiracy, since we know there are still Illuminati out there? Jensen is that eager to die? Why am I so constricted here?
 
I'm going to go with Joker's suggestion that everything happened after I enter the Geth hive mind was a simulation. Shepard is trapped in an artificial AI the whole time. ME4 will be his buddies rescuing him. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
Last Hearth said:
I'm going to go with Joker's suggestion that everything happened after I enter the Geth hive mind was a simulation. Shepard is trapped in an artificial AI the whole time. ME4 will be his buddies rescuing him. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Or maybe the Prothean beacon on Thessia is providing Shepard one giant vision.
 
Ice King said:
So I just watched the last episode of gurren lagann again for shits and giggles. Man, talk about an ending! The whole reason why the anti-spirals do what they do, everybody finding the strength to overcome. It was so emotional, even after having finished watching the show 2 years ago. The anti-spirals just felt better at doing what they were doing.

So yeah, mass effect is just the lame version of gurren lagann.
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Funny as hell... When we arrived at earth I thought "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?!?!!!"
 
Was it too boring to simply do a big space battle where you war assets actually matter? Throw that crucible crap out of the window and simply have a big space battle. Depending on your assets you win or lose with a different amount of casualties. Paragon you sacrifice yourself to save the galaxy by crashing the Normandy and other fleets on the enemy leader while Renegade you force/manipulate other species to do it. If you need to have a huge foot mission simply have a team assault the inside of the Harbinger or the main reaper.

It would have prevented the whole deux ex machina crucible and catalyst.
 
mercenar1e said:
anyone see this?

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He better not be talking about a better ending via DLC. Even if it was free it can't repair the damage that was done. It would feel like putting blinders on and pretending what really happened didn't happen.

They had their chance to nail the finish and they failed.
 
Last Hearth said:
That works too, anything to retcon this, and I usually hate retcons.
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I think its perfectly reasonable to just say Shep died on the Citadel with Anderson and never actually got resurrected on that rising platform to the Guardian. That was the point where shit hit the fan. Everything after that point was just some death throes hallucinations.
 
Seriously the more I think about the more ticked off I am, and I'm not some anti-Bioware guy. Heck I actually *liked* DA2 enough to play it 3 times.

But I'm having trouble finding the motivation to play ME3 for a second time. Even though most of the game was a blast. Bad ending can really kill one's enthusiasm.
 
Derrick01 said:
He better not be talking about a better ending via DLC. Even if it was free it can't repair the damage that was done. It would feel like putting blinders on and pretending what really happened didn't happen.

They had their chance to nail the finish and they failed.
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They would have to go full retard to release a new ending as DLC, free or paid. It would result in one hell of a shitstorm.
 
MasterShotgun said:
They would have to go full retard to release a new ending as DLC, free or paid. It would result in one hell of a shitstorm.
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Worse than the shitstorm they will get when all player will have completed the game?

Since there is an ending were Shepard survives, I wouldn't mind a happy extension to that ending.
 
Enduin said:
I think its perfectly reasonable to just say Shep died on the Citadel with Anderson and never actually got resurrected on that rising platform to the Guardian. That was the point where shit hit the fan. Everything after that point was just some death throes hallucinations.
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I'm pretty sure this was supposed to be the ending, followed by cinematics and cutscenes explaining how the war ended and what happened to everyone. But that would actually require some effort, so instead they made a single room where you make a "choice" which color of the doomsday beam you prefer.
 
Last Hearth said:
Seriously the more I think about the more ticked off I am, and I'm not some anti-Bioware guy. Heck I actually *liked* DA2 enough to play it 3 times.

But I'm having trouble finding the motivation to play ME3 for a second time. Even though most of the game was a blast. Bad ending can really kill one's enthusiasm.
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Hell it even kills my motivation to replay the trilogy, maybe i should get pass the accepted phase of Grief. And if they can put in a good dlc ending i would probably still buy just so i could enjoy the franchise again with a ending this space opera deserves. Uugh even multiplayer feels shitty knowing the end. Still fun because of the gameplay but its that itching feeling in your mind that suck all the joy out of it. Feels like turning emo for 24 hours after playing ME 3:p

Hell this even makes me thing what the hell were they doing in the time they failed to deliver on the original release date. Wouldn't be surprised if the new writers forced this ending in
i really want to know who's choice/idea it was to put this ending in?

And what the fuck about the reviewers how could they not tell us about the ending didn't IGN tell the ending was satisfying and well deserved. I would have probably scored the story a 7 this way and it only got a 7 because my playthrough was epic till the last 15 min.


Fudgepuppy said:
Worse than the shitstorm they will get when all player will have completed the game?

Since there is an ending were Shepard survives, I wouldn't mind a happy extension to that ending.
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Why not let sheppard survive in all endings something like a test of the catalyst like organics are willing to sacrifice their own life for the greater good.
The essence that was shepard is saved.
 
Shitty ending aside, did anyone else think that the characters in ME3 were not that interesting? I think that as well-written as they are, they are rather... generic. ME2's characters were much more varied and intriguing. Maybe it's due to the fact that they mostly brought back old characters I already know but still. Though I had a lot of fun with Javik. I think he's a fascinating character and should've been included in the game, and not as DLC.
 
Fudgepuppy said:
Worse than the shitstorm they will get when all player will have completed the game?

Since there is an ending were Shepard survives, I wouldn't mind a happy extension to that ending.
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Robbing people of a better ending in their first time going through the game? I'd be royally pissed. They should wait to explain the ending or retcon it or whatever in the next ME game. (Cause we all know this franchise is too good and profitable to let it die with ME3.)

EDIT: I'd might be fine with a DLC epilogue, but I don't have faith in BioWare pulling it off well enough.
 
dragonelite said:
Hell this even makes me thing what the hell were they doing in the time they failed to deliver on the original release date. Wouldn't be surprised if the new writers forced this ending in
i really want to know who's choice/idea it was to put this ending in?

And what the fuck about the reviewers how could they not tell us about the ending didn't IGN tell the ending was satisfying and well deserved. I would have probably scored the story a 7 this way and it only got a 7 because my playthrough was epic till the last 15 min.
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The ending wasn't changed btw. It's the same that was in the leaked script from the november built. I do wonder in what state was the game in december though. It's a bit less polished than 1 and 2. I got at least 3 broken quests and often got weird glitches where the camera would get stuck on a wall. Quests journal is fairly borked as quests randomly don't update themselves.

I agree that it's weird that no reviewers said anything about the endings.
 
Lord Fruity said:
I'm pretty sure this was supposed to be the ending, followed by cinematics and cutscenes explaining how the war ended and what happened to everyone. But that would actually require some effort, so instead they made a single room where you make a "choice" which color of the doomsday beam you prefer.
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Its not about effort, or laziness thats a bizarre excuse and accusation. The game was quite fantastic 90% of the time save for the opening and extreme end of the game. Its a matter of arrogance or simple ignorance than anything else.

For whatever reason they thought it was OK to skip Shepard's trial and they thought it was OK to end game with some vague philosophical choice that ran counter to the whole series because it was "deep" and dramatic or something misguided like that.

I cant imagine the kind of bubble BioWare must live in for them to think people would be happy with this. Someone at some point had to have pointed out how terrible and inflammatory this would be. Maybe they were aware and it was a conscious choice to kill the IP so they can go on and do something totally different with it or as a way to prevent fans from demanding a sequel so they could move on to a new IP altogether. I dont know, its all so surreal.
 
I don't think it's possible to say how they felt about the ending without giving away hints to that ending, so I am ok with them not saying anything.
 
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