Where does it says he's destroying all organic life? It's a joke of the scumbag steve meme. His plan was basically to build killer robots that destroys advanced civilizations so they don't build killer robots that would kill them.
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Where does it says he's destroying all organic life? It's a joke of the scumbag steve meme. His plan was basically to build killer robots that destroys advanced civilizations so they don't build killer robots that would kill them.
shingonation
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I'm in a similar position, I'm getting more and more dissapointed with the ending. From the script I expected the relays destroyed only in the Destroy ending, and there was no info about the fate of the Normandy, but fuck it!
Game was so incredible until TIM's dead that I will not let the ending to sour it all.
If you think that one a few posts above is horrible fanfic then dare I ask what the actual ending is to you? Because the one posted above is better than what we got in ME3. It's not perfect, but it's better.
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It was truely fantastic
I got the dream sequence and I wasn't in a romance with her. She said it was her gift to me or something.
WrenchNinja
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Having the fate of the galaxy being dependent on its residents instead of a deus ex machina is horrible fanfiction?
Rebel Leader
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I gathered all of those war assets..Cured the krogan..Stopped the 300 year old war.....
Didn't do shit agianst Deus ex machina
But it saved Earth from the Citadel explosion for some arbitrary reason!
fizzelopeguss
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Finished it, bioware are lazy bastards.
Always had the niggling thought that the reapers were copied from the Shivan in the Freespace series, but they literally lifted not only looks and aesthetic but also motives.
As for the whole christ shite and computer circuited trees...as series destroying as the star wars prequels imo.
Always had the niggling thought that the reapers were copied from the Shivan in the Freespace series, but they literally lifted not only looks and aesthetic but also motives.
As for the whole christ shite and computer circuited trees...as series destroying as the star wars prequels imo.
Lostconfused
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I am going to ask this question even though the answer is obvious.
Why didn't the reapers just follow the original plan of
1. Take Citadel
2. Shut down mass relays
3. ???
4. Chill out in darkspace after another successful galaxy wide genocide
Why didn't the reapers just follow the original plan of
1. Take Citadel
2. Shut down mass relays
3. ???
4. Chill out in darkspace after another successful galaxy wide genocide
Did she kiss you in the gift or not?
Also the Garrus and Tali thing made me laugh my ass off lol
EmCeeGramr
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HP_Wuvcraft
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Yeah, TOR basically killed the Mass Effect story.
Because if they failed once with one reaper ship that means they can never try again with a thousand.
Hell, why doesn't the Catalyst himself just shut down the mass relays? He's part of the Citadel!
gaheris
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One of the things I don't like about the ending is that there was so little difference like everyone said. With the Mass Relays gone galactic civilization is wiped out as they know it but if they had a few missions where someone was researching new interstellar travel methods I could see that keeping the doors open instead of just blowing the hell out of it. 
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yeah thats supposed to be Morinth. Just like if you don't do the Grissom Academy mission in time, Jack gets turned into a Cerberus phantom.
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I don't see how BioWare can just ignore this. I feel they need to do something to correct the equally unsatisfying endings. Even if in 4 months time they come out with an alternate ending.
How did BioWare HONESTLY create/play/test the ending and be like, "Yeah, the fans will love this." ???
How did BioWare HONESTLY create/play/test the ending and be like, "Yeah, the fans will love this." ???
jediyoshi
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Playing as femshep here, didn't romance her. In the sequence she holds on to your arm and her head -> your shoulder
Nope she simply holds your hand and say how a good friend you were. *YOUR CHOICE MATTERS*
Oh wow never thought about that. Instead you simply have access to everything and they don't attack the Citadel until the Illusive Man tell them about how for some reason its part of the crucible.
Well, the problem with this proposed ending is you still have the ass-backwards explanation for the Reapers and their proposed solutions PLUS a whole additional layer that is literally just ripped from Return of the Jedi with trying to convert Shepard to the Dark Side.
This proposition doesn't solve anything other than give people an anarchist ending to an already stupid situation.
Not sure about the first but I'm pretty sure someone already mention that it's just another Rachni if you killed the Queen in the first. I could be wrong though.
heliosRAzi
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Well, I am done and...that was just fucking depressing. Every ending would lead to some galaxy shattering destruction of the modern civilization, despite my best efforts. None of them satisfied me and as a earlier post mentioned as a solution, I rather would have tapped the Catalyst brat in his holographic chest and tell him to buzz off, take his reapers and GTFO Of My Galaxy! I am John F.U Shepard and I dont take "world end by my design"-crap from anyone, I rather punch Harbinger in the face and say his mother was a toaster than select any of these choices.
Also, I noted, I am really good for some reason into telling people to commit suicide. That is just scary.
Also, I noted, I am really good for some reason into telling people to commit suicide. That is just scary.
Oblivionmancer
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All of that is true. The problem is that it would still be better than what we actually got.
I can tell you what happens with the Rachni part. The only part I noticed with Rachni was this side mission planet with Grunt where you're hunting what turns out to be reaper-ized Rachni that's being made from some giant tortured brood mother or something. You can actually get this brood mother on your side as a War Asset but very late in the game after a mission I got a pop up on the side (like a normal war asset) but it said something like brood mother betrayal and it wasn't listed under my Assets anymore. It was even subtracted from my score.
I'm guessing with the Rachni queen not much changes. Except she probably doesn't betray you late in the game.
especially a bad one.
so? fits perfectly what Sovereign says to Shepard in ME1 - 'We are your salvation through destruction.'
It's not only that one. There were a couple other ones here aswell; altered ending cutscenes and stuff.
The actual ending is good enough for me - picked synthesis (the alternative dark enery ending is interesting but it's not in the game - so who cares).
The actual ending is well-crafted but has one flaw; let me explain how i understood the ending.
The 'catalyst' is from an ancient organic race (obviously a long time ago) - in a time where they created synthetic life but apparently were at a war with them. they knew they were destined to die so therefore they created the reapers; with that also the catalyst/citadel and the mass relays. they also must had developed the blue-prints to create the Crucible - because that 'catalyst' knew about that too. why did they do that? It's a test to each fully-developed civilization in every life-circle. It is given by nature that organic life will create synthetic life - sooner or later and synthetic life will destroy organic life - sooner or later. at the end the geth were in peace with the quarians - but giving by nature it would still come to a war between them or other synthetic life. It's an unstoppable force by nature - and that ancient organic race knew that. the reapers destroy every organic life which is capable of creating synthetic life - only if they fail the test of course. The test is not only to stop the reapers but ultimately to break the law of nature via new DNA ('snythesis') - and that is only possible with the help of the citadel plus building the crucible. but to achieve that every nation and race has to work together. that is also the reason why there are mass relays and why there is a citadel which ironically is also the catalyst. that ancient race wants to motivate all the races in each life-cycle via mass relays and citadel to meet each other, work with each other to build that weapon in order to stop the reapers. shepard did what noone had ever done before - mobilise all races to work together. only that way they could finish the Crucible in time and also bring it to the Citadel. They passed the test giving by that ancient organic life - they showed that they are capable of living and working together. therefore they broke the law of nature and can live peacefully with synthetic life - thanks to synthesis - last stage of evolution. therefore that is the only ending which makes sense to me.
Because of that the ending is consistent and absolutely fine - one flaw however. and that is not that the mass relays are destroyed - which is totally fine because in a world where all races can live in harmony together - thanks to synthesis - you shouldn't be reliant on technology you haven't created. you should create your own mass relays - and that is the one flaw. The ending doesn't show us the rebuilding of the galaxy and therefore the rebuilding of a new future. It just shows how Joker, EDI and some other companion land on an uncharted place - not knowing what to do now and leaving us wondering where the hell they are and why that is the last scene of the trilogy.
Ha, true. Considering BioWare likes to tow the "choice and consequence" line it is curious it wasn't an option. I suppose they just didn't want to animate another cutscene.
shingonation
Member
Because we can assume that the reapers didn't have access / control of the Citadel until the construction of the conduit was finished.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Wow, that ancient race must have been really fucking stupid. What a bunch of presumptuous ignoramuses. That's the dumbest "test" I've ever heard of!
Lostconfused
Member
I think I would have preferred if the game ended with that Volus summoning divine beings of light to save the galaxy from machine devils.
10/10, would read again.
Am I doing this right?... I kid.
I won't touch a lot of what you said because it has been addressed earlier in the thread, but part of the argument really hinges on this statement. There is no logical reason that this is the predetermined destiny for every technology advanced race. If this was the theme that BioWare was towing, they would have had to foreshadow it throughout the series. The two only instances this actually comes into play is demonstrating that organic and synthetic life can co-exist with EDI and the Normandy crew and the Geth/Quarians.
So, BioWare even failed to provide a single example of this 'destiny' that is suppose to be a logical conclusion based on... what? The fact that we've all seen the Matrix?
PsychoSoldier
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Sometimes when I see a controversial ending it eventually "settles in" with me and I get over it, but honestly the more I think about the ending the more I'm just absolutely baffled.
Why can't we just let the galaxy fight it out with the reapers?
If we're going to resort to gods damned space magic why can't they just give us some space magic that just kills all the reapers? If the ending is going to be dumb make it be happy and dumb.
Why the hell did I bother to gather all that shit? Didn't matter.
Why doesn't a series so interested in keeping track of all the things you've done throughout let any of those decisions affect the way the game ends in any substantial way?
Why don't we have some indication of what happens to all of your compatriots other than the ones that landed on the planets? For a game that understands that you get invested in your characters and want to know what happens to them, not giving us some postlogue is just unbelievably silly.
I will replay the game as other classes and with other choices, but I doubt I'll ever do that last mission again because it's just likely to remind me of how annoyed I am about it.
Why can't we just let the galaxy fight it out with the reapers?
If we're going to resort to gods damned space magic why can't they just give us some space magic that just kills all the reapers? If the ending is going to be dumb make it be happy and dumb.
Why the hell did I bother to gather all that shit? Didn't matter.
Why doesn't a series so interested in keeping track of all the things you've done throughout let any of those decisions affect the way the game ends in any substantial way?
Why don't we have some indication of what happens to all of your compatriots other than the ones that landed on the planets? For a game that understands that you get invested in your characters and want to know what happens to them, not giving us some postlogue is just unbelievably silly.
I will replay the game as other classes and with other choices, but I doubt I'll ever do that last mission again because it's just likely to remind me of how annoyed I am about it.
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Unhandled Exception
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I've gotta say the choices I made in the previous 2 games couldn't have felt more meaningless in regards to ME3's ending. Pretty disappointing.
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WrenchNinja
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The theme of mass effect is united we stand, divided we fall. That is what has been prevalent throughout the series, not this organics vs. Synthetics nonsense, it is only fitting that the united forces of the galaxy who have been squabbling for centuries, stand together and be able to defeat the reapers. Not through some ancient super weapon or through god showing up solving everything.
Javik even makes this even more apparent with the fate of the protheans wiping out anyone who didnt join them, which would eventually be their major folly.
Javik even makes this even more apparent with the fate of the protheans wiping out anyone who didnt join them, which would eventually be their major folly.
Last Hearth
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Yup, they should have given the player the option of refuting the Catalyst by bringing up the Geth and EDI if you managed to pull off those two things in the game. So your choices would actually matter in changing the ending.
Then you basically gets the same movie as the other endings but with purple explosion instead.
Jibbajabbawockky
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BioWare putting out any DLC that adds to the endings would basically be them admitting that they fucked up. Certainly right now when they need the game to sell in the first couple weeks after launch they won't say anything to damage the image of ME they're trying to prop up in the ads saying how its the best story driven game EVAR.
But as people start to finish the game, more people seem to be realizing just how shitty the ending is on multiple different levels. And I have to imagine that BioWare will have a hard time selling any story based single player DLC that takes place before the ending once people know they'll be stuck with the same old crappy ending no matter what.
BioWare also released Dragon Age 2, saying that it would be like Dragon Age Origins but better. BioWare/EA marketing will say anything. The endings were more than likely slapped together at the last minute to get the game out before EA's financial quarter ended at the end of this month. It seems that at some point they made fairly significant changes to the story at least, considering the lack of anything regarding the whole Dark Energy subplot so heavily foreshadowed in ME2.
You're absolutely right.
The only way I think the Crucible could have been involved was as some MacGuffin that ultimately didn't do anything; it was just something to bring together the races under one banner. Then your war assets determine the ending.
indigo-cyclops
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Finished the game, I share the sentiments with most of you. What a cop-out ending and extremely disappointing and contradictory. I was loving the game too.
Not going to say much more, it's already been said.
And don't even get me started on the lame-ass attempt to reveal Tali...
Not going to say much more, it's already been said.
And don't even get me started on the lame-ass attempt to reveal Tali...
EmCeeGramr
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I mean. If you want to be depressing, then show the consequences of our actions via a Fallout or DA:O style epilogue.
"And so while peace was forged between ______, and ______, it was only temporary. Thanks to Shepard's help with ______, the ______ soon forgot the lessons of unity and waged a war against ______ that lasted several years and cost millions of lives."
"______, once a proud ______, was remembered for their sacrifice at ______/eventually settled on ______ and found a calling in ______."
"And so while peace was forged between ______, and ______, it was only temporary. Thanks to Shepard's help with ______, the ______ soon forgot the lessons of unity and waged a war against ______ that lasted several years and cost millions of lives."
"______, once a proud ______, was remembered for their sacrifice at ______/eventually settled on ______ and found a calling in ______."
It's funny how in a game chock full of fan service, the ending totally ignores the fan base's desires for some sort of closure.
I'll just pretend that everything that happens after I crawl towards the console was a delusion as I died.
Also I'll be skipping the next game written by Mac Walters
I'll just pretend that everything that happens after I crawl towards the console was a delusion as I died.
Also I'll be skipping the next game written by Mac Walters
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