The Walking Dead - Season 2 - Sundays on AMC

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Would have been so much better if I didn't know what was going to happen, thanks for the leak AMC.

I'll miss Shane. He was one of the better characters but the time felt right.
 
As cool as the ending was I still hate the fact that Carl didn't call out as Shane's lifeless body power walked its way towards his own father just for a cool HEAD SHOT.
 
That was done to create suspense. Failed miserably though. But i can live with Carl being in shock because he probably saw Shane die and turn into a walker. Blame it on the writing, like you can do with all the flaws of this show. :P
 
At that will probably happen next episode. And i really hope the next location is the same as the one in the comics. Avoiding spoilers here.
 
Obsidian said:
At that will probably happen next episode. And i really hope the next location is the same as the one in the comics. Avoiding spoilers here.
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I don't know anything about the spoilers but I hope it's not a place where other humans can oppress them. I don't want to go from Rick willingly holding back to Rick being forced to hold back.
 
Did I miss something? Did Shane get some zombie blood in a wound or something when they raged on those Walkers, early in the episode? How'd the kid turn? I feel so lost.
 
MattDoza said:
Did I miss something? Did Shane get some zombie blood in a wound or something when they raged on those Walkers, early in the episode? How'd the kid turn? I feel so lost.
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Was sort of puzzled at first but reading the AV Club synopsis its pointing towards Death = Zombification

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Haven't bothered reading the thread much since it's normally a hive of negativity, but now that the last few episodes has been pretty great I feel an upswing in the general attitude here.

empty vessel said:
Only if Rick is stupid, because as I recall Rick seemed perplexed that the zombie guards where he and Shane intended to dump Randall the first time hadn't been bitten. If he was told, he should have understood.
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Rick wasn't perplexed btw. Shane was perplexed then Rick came in and made up the scratches excuse. Rick definitely knows about the infection thing.
 
hamchan said:
Haven't bothered reading the thread much since it's normally a hive of negativity, but now that the last few episodes has been pretty great I feel an upswing in the general attitude here.



Rick wasn't perplexed btw. Shane was perplexed then Rick came in and made up the scratches excuse. Rick definitely knows about the infection thing.
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I think Shane was the first time he really had a chance to test it for himself though...
 
SamuraiX- said:
If I'm going with my theory, I say he was still in the denial phase but those two dead security guys were the first trigger that would lead him to reconsider whether or not there could have been some real truth to Jenner's words.

And now after seeing Shane reanimate essentially right before his eyes without ever being infected probably all but confirms the truth in Rick's mind.

Also, I believe the season finale next week will end with Rick's famous line from the comic book:
"We are the Walking Dead."

Would be a perfectly epic way to send Season 2 off and drive the anticipation of the audience for Season 3.
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Regarding the comics:
But in the comics canon Rick says that not because he thinks everyone is infected and destined to become a zombie, he says that because he last lost hope for a better world. Because of all the death that surrounds them they can't have a decent and normal life, they are dead inside, hence why he says that.

Also, I think Shane's death in the comics has much more impact on the characters, I wanted the show to follow suit.
 
Man, I still can't get over last night's episode.

Rick Grimes....Nebraska lover, Daleface caller, BS smeller, father of the...........somebody get this man an Emmy, if only so I can have a chance to hear the Walking Dead theme remix blaring over the loudspeakers at an awards show.

I love the way he went out in the field under the moonlight, but it'll be weird never seeing Shane compulsively rub his shaved head again.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Who knows?

Absolution at the hands of your "brother"?

What we do know is that Shane had no intention of killing Rick no matter what because if he did, he would have just capped him and then rattled off his spiel as Rick bled out.

Shane wanted something to happen.
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It's a plausible notion. Shane kept going on about how he wanted Rick to be a "real man" and that Rick wouldn't have the balls to do what needed to be done. In this case, it was kill or be killed, and Shane could have wanted to unearth that mentality out of Rick in a way that ensured he wouldn't hesitate in the future.
 
BlueTsunami said:
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Ha!

I'll miss Daleface :(

Zeliard said:
It's a plausible notion. Shane kept going on about how he wanted Rick to be a "real man" and that Rick wouldn't have the balls to do what needed to be done. In this case, it was kill or be killed, and Shane could have wanted to unearth that mentality out of Rick in a way that ensured he wouldn't hesitate in the future.
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Let's not get too carried away here. It's not like Shane was purposefully acting the crazed skinhead Mr. Miyagi to Rick's Daniel-san in order to impart an important life lesson. I think Staccat0's got it right: Shane wanted to kill Rick, and he also hated himself for wanting to kill Rick because he loved Rick. That's more than enough to explain his hesitance to pull the trigger.
 
Just started watching season 1 of this. Holy shit, does the acting get any better? It's like watching an acting school project or something. The dialog is corny as fuck too.

Hope it gets better. Please tell me it does.
 
Night_Trekker said:
Let's not get too carried away here. It's not like Shane was purposefully acting the crazed skinhead Mr. Miyagi to Rick's Daniel-san in order to impart an important life lesson. I think Staccat0's got it right: Shane wanted to kill Rick, and he also hated himself for wanting to kill Rick because he loved Rick. That's more than enough to explain his hesitance to pull the trigger.
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I don't think it's a crazy notion at all. Heck even Jon Bernthal seems to think it:

There’s a whole part of the character that I think some people may or may not pick up on, but I think there’s a part of Shane himself that knows he is no longer fit to be among the people. He knows how much of a danger he is. He knows now he’s killed yet another human being, and I think a part of this is him really spurring and challenging and getting Rick to step up and encompass what Shane has and take Shane out. I think there’s a suicidal flavor. There’s a flavor there that’s really saying, “Come on, man, I’m challenging you to be the man that’s fit to raise the woman I love and the child I love and my child on the way. Come on and step up, raise your gun.” And there’s a part of him that so desperately wants Rick to be that man, and when Rick finally does it, there’s an element of some sort of relief.
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:P
 
POWERSPHERE said:
Just started watching season 1 of this. Holy shit, does the acting get any better? It's like watching an acting school project or something. The dialog is corny as fuck too.

Hope it gets better. Please tell me it does.
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The series is kinda bad to mediocre until the 2nd half of season 2, which has been pretty damn amazing so far imo. The change in showrunner has been a fantastic move.
 
This episode was great, though I knew that (comic spoiler)
they'd wuss out on Carl killing Shane. Instead he kills zombie Shane.
Done well, but just another sign that the show will never do some of the really horrible things that happen in the comics.
 
Konosuke said:
Also, I think Shane's death in the comics has much more impact on the characters, I wanted the show to follow suit.
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Just wanted to address this with a Kirkman excerpt from the "Better Angels" interview:
Shane's death is going to cause shockwaves that will be felt in the show in Season 3 and beyond. Where that murder takes Rick and what it causes Rick to do moving forward -- the way it shapes his behavior -- is definitely something that is going to end up being a large part of the foundation of this series. So while it does suck to lose him, this is a monumental event. This is going to be a key moment that people will always be talking about over the life of The Walking Dead show. It's a big event.
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So that's probably a low blow for people who thought all this melodrama surrounding Shane was gonna just disappear after is death. :P


Zeliard said:
I don't think it's a crazy notion at all. Heck even Jon Bernthal seems to think it:

There’s a whole part of the character that I think some people may or may not pick up on, but I think there’s a part of Shane himself that knows he is no longer fit to be among the people. He knows how much of a danger he is. He knows now he’s killed yet another human being, and I think a part of this is him really spurring and challenging and getting Rick to step up and encompass what Shane has and take Shane out. I think there’s a suicidal flavor. There’s a flavor there that’s really saying, “Come on, man, I’m challenging you to be the man that’s fit to raise the woman I love and the child I love and my child on the way. Come on and step up, raise your gun.” And there’s a part of him that so desperately wants Rick to be that man, and when Rick finally does it, there’s an element of some sort of relief.
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:P
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Where'd you find this?

Fantastic quote. Pretty much confirms what we've all been discussing.
 
Thank fucking God, finally something great happens in the show. I'm glad Rick finally manned up and took Shane out. And the Shane as zombie was a great touch too.

I'm guessing that the zombie virus thing has gone airborne? Seems to be the only thing that makes sense.
 
SamuraiX- said:
Where'd you find this?

Fantastic quote. Pretty much confirms what we've all been discussing.
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EW interview I came across a few mins ago while checking out reactions to last night's ep:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/11/jon-bernthal-shane-walking-dead-shocker/

Though he also does say:

I think so. And I think that no matter what, somebody was going to die that night. And Shane really did set out that night to kill Rick, and through the conversation, by the end of the scene, he just knew one of them needed to die. I do think he did the right thing.
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The plot thickens!
 
Zeliard said:
EW interview I came across a few mins ago while checking out reactions to last night's ep:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/11/jon-bernthal-shane-walking-dead-shocker/

Though he also does say:



The plot thickens!
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Nice! That's perfect because that's exactly the same conclusion we came to last night. Shane wanted to kill Rick, hated himself for wanting to kill Rick, but would've ultimately done it anyway if Rick hadn't been the one to strike first.

I'm just adoring the layers of complexity stacked atop Shane's character and in this episode leading up to the final moments of Shane's life.

It makes you want to love the guy despite how much of a psycho he's turned into.

hamchan said:
I wonder if Shane decided to kill Rick because Lori spoke to him. In which case damn that bitch.
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Without question, that was his breaking point.

It looked like he was finally getting over her and Carl and the baby and probably found himself at a point where he could have probably just accepted his role as Rick's right hand man of the group and then Lori comes out of nowhere and throws him off the ledge.

Although, him hoarding ammunition in the back of that car from the previous episode may suggest that before that point he was planning something similar regardless, but being a lot more calculated about it.
 
Zeliard said:
I don't think it's a crazy notion at all. Heck even Jon Bernthal seems to think it:



:P
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That is actually a really good take on it from the actor himself.

Also, best episode of season, IMO. Next week is setting up to be even better. Glad they're starting to show it getting colder there. I wonder if that means that they've already filmed the next season since winter is coming to an end.
 
SamuraiX- said:
Nice! That's perfect because that's exactly the same conclusion we came to last night. Shane wanted to kill Rick, hated himself for wanting to kill Rick, but would've ultimately done it anyway if Rick hadn't been the one to strike first.

I'm just adoring the layers of complexity stacked atop Shane's character and in this episode leading up to the final moments of Shane's life.

It makes you want to love the guy despite how much of a psycho he's turned into.
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Yup. Shane's always had a neat complexity to him in a show where the writing isn't exactly the high point all the time. It's sort of too bad he's gone now, though it was a good scene. He provided an interesting element as a potentially dangerous, unpredictable human inside the group, and also one who was often right in various arguments. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Rick now.
 
I think Lori's conversation with him probably was the breaking point, but there was no way him and Rick were going back to normal after he tried to kill him.
 
POWERSPHERE said:
Just started watching season 1 of this. Holy shit, does the acting get any better? It's like watching an acting school project or something. The dialog is corny as fuck too.

Hope it gets better. Please tell me it does.
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The pilot episode has Lennie James, don't you be complaining about Lennie James!
 
Crazy Shane was my favourite. He made the show that much more enjoyable for me.
Who is gonna give me that comic relief I so desperately need when watching this show now?

Who?
 
hamchan said:
I wonder if Shane decided to kill Rick because Lori spoke to him. In which case damn that bitch.
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that was what prompted him to try so soon. Lorie is the worst wife ever. and carl is a pretty stupid kid as well. Hey ill jist point the gun at my dad! I swear he did it before Shane got up, and don't you tell me carl knew he was infected. also carl didn't even say oh dad watchout!

Rick is dumb too. That outsider was a threat...and his and shanes conversation revealed that he knew where the place was, and he had fun with those dudes.
 
Man it sucks that Shane is dead. But I missed a few things I believe.
How did Shane become a walker, and what happened there with Shane and the kid (where did he go)

They better leave the farm, because the show has become a standstill.

Liked this episode, and can't wait for the next one.
Next season will probably be away from this farm
I hope
 
Rikyfree said:
Except he got bit first and wrote that crude poem before killing (attempting to anyways) himself.

World gone to shit
Got bit
Fever hit
Might as well quit.

I read the comics so I already agree that everyone's got it, just not in this specific case that killing himself would be a clear indication
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Yeah, forgot that part too. Nevermind!
 
Martian said:
Man it sucks that Shane is dead. But I missed a few things I believe.
How did Shane become a walker, and what happened there with Shane and the kid (where did he go)

They better leave the farm, because the show has become a standstill.

Liked this episode, and can't wait for the next one.
Next season will probably be away from this farm
I hope
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1. Virus Airborne
2. As Yet Unexplained in the show
3. Virus Mutated, everyone that dies is now Zombified (this is probably likely, as there is a baby involved, so his blood can serve as an antidote)
 
Man, I'm really worried now that Shane's gone we're going to get some 1-dimensional psychotic/rapist/whatever villain like Merle or something, which would just be dull in comparison to Shane.
 
Keyser Soze said:
1. Virus Airborne
2. As Yet Unexplained in the show
3. Virus Mutated, everyone that dies is now Zombified (this is probably likely, as there is a baby involved, so his blood can serve as an antidote)
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It is implied in the comics that
walker bites are highly toxic, but everyone (or nearly everyone, it is not something well explained) is already infected. What about being the Walking Dead and all that.

Some people already arrived to that conclusion ITT, so I wouldn't call it a HUGE spoiler.

Also, last one was a good episode. The final part with Shane waking up after getting stabbed was a bit hamfisted (and poorly edited) but it did show a different kind of nerve. I think Mazzara is in full effect and I can't wait to see the finale.
 
SamuraiX- said:
Well, the implications of
everyone already being infected
essentially means that, without a cure, the world can never return to what it once was.

It adds an entire extra layer of "no hope" that usually doesn't come with your standard, run of the mill post-apocalyptic scenarios.
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If a world ever needed Suicide Booths for reals, this one does!
 
Wiggum2007 said:
Man, I'm really worried now that Shane's gone we're going to get some 1-dimensional psychotic/rapist/whatever villain like Merle or something, which would just be dull in comparison to Shane.
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Having season 3 where the environment itself is the villain would be fine by me. Having them struggle to get by, and being in a constant state of dread would be better than a replacement villain. They really just have to position the group in the right place. If the
everyone is infected
theory holds true, then that would help with intensifying that angle,
 
Content Wrap Up:

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AMC Content:
- Sneak Peek at the season finale (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Inside Episode 12
- Preview for the season finale (please spoiler tag any discussion)
- Michael Zegen (Randall) Interview


Reviews:
- Sepinwall Review
- Onion A|V Club review

Other:
- EW.com: Jon Bernthal (a.k.a. Shane) talks about the latest 'Walking Dead' shocker *spoilers*
- THR: 'The Walking Dead' Dissection: Robert Kirkman Dishes on 'Monumental Event' *spoilers*
- EW.com: 'Walking Dead' exec producer Robert Kirkman talks about tonight's episode and THAT [SPOILER!]: 'I am a mad man!' *spoilers*
- TV Guide: Walking Dead Boss on How the Show's Latest Death Changes Everything *spoilers*


Please remember to spoiler tag any preview or sneak peek discussion.

In addition, keep in mind that there is a thread for discussion of the spoiler leaks from AMC, the comic books and how they relate to the show, and other heavily spoilerish material. Please use that thread if you want to talk about this sort of thing. Thanks.
 
Another episode where Shane proves he has always been better than Rick. Rick wastes more time on this captive which should have been dead long ago. He waste so much time on him that he can't even be a good father and talk to his kid until Shane guilt trips him into doing it. Shane had no intention of killing Rick unarmed like some may believe. The guy has been protecting Lori and Carl long before Rick showed up and when he does Shane has to take a back seat. He has just as much claim to the child Lori is carrying as Rick yet both of them tell him it's not his and they expect him to be cool with that. Just stay in the background while Lori has a child that could possibly be his. Shane has to keep his mouth shut while he watches Rick dick around wasting time and being a bad leader/father.

Best character on the show gone.
 
Heh, reading Michael Zegan's interview, where they bring up his disability from Rescue Me (to compare to him having his leg damaged in TWD). It reminded me of his acting in the last season (or 2) of Rescue Me. He'd just sit there in a wheelchair, doing nothing :D I think he had 2 or 3 lines all of that last season, and they were in Tommy's Fever Dreams.

Also:
Q: You live in New York City normally. How does rural Georgia compare?

A: People drive golf carts everywhere. All the paths are filled with golf carts, all the shopping center parking lots are filled with golf carts. There were multiple times where I almost died -- turning around a split second before a golf cart came my way.
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LOL, he's talking about Peachtree City, then. There are golf cart paths everywhere!
 
3N16MA said:
Another episode where Shane proves he has always been better than Rick. Rick wastes more time on this captive which should have been dead long ago. He waste so much time on him that he can't even be a good father and talk to his kid until Shane guilt trips him into doing it. Shane had no intention of killing Rick unarmed like some may believe. The guy has been protecting Lori and Carl long before Rick showed up and when he does Shane has to take a back seat. He has just as much claim to the child Lori is carrying as Rick yet both of them tell him it's not his and they expect him to be cool with that. Just stay in the background while Lori has a child that could possibly be his. Shane has to keep his mouth shut while he watches Rick dick around wasting time and being a bad leader/father.

Best character on the show gone.
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The only reason that Shane gave a shit about Rick talking to the Carl is to delay taking the prisoner out so he could do his thing.
Lori instigated the latest outbreak though have no doubt about it, it is all on her.
 
Hex said:
The only reason that Shane gave a shit about Rick talking to the Carl is to delay taking the prisoner out so he could do his thing.
Lori instigated the latest outbreak though have no doubt about it, it is all on her.
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Even if Shane was trying to stall Rick it still shows how clueless he is when it comes to Carl.
 
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