Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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It still commits genocide on the Geth. And if EDI shows up on Jungle Planet, then I'd take that as more "Bioware didn't bother to make sure that it couldn't happen" than "Bioware was being super clever and the Catalyst was actually lying to you about everything", because if you can't trust the Catalyst, then every ending is complete and utter nonsense, which is just about the only thing worse than taking the endings at face value.

Not disagreeing with you at all, I agree that you are probably right, but maybe (JUST maybe) Joker managed to out run the robot killing shockwave.

...of course he didn't in the Green explosion ending since they are still all half robot when they exit the ship. Maybe he flew faster in the red explosion ending cuz he luvs EDI SO MUCH!
 
After the destruction of the mass relays, it's very clear that all the forces involved in the last battle are now essentially stranded in the immediate vicinity of the Sol system. The galactic civilization essentially has to rebuild with whatever consequences came about from Shepard's final choice.

Wrex leads whatever is left of the Krogan on Earth. Grunt remains one of the strongest and most loyal Krogan soldiers.
Jack continues to lead novice biotics and works towards rebuilding Earth, now with new purpose.
Samara returns to her Justicar duties, periodocially causing diplomatic incidents with the other races on Earth.
Ashley and Vega continue to serve in the Alliance. Vega becomes an N7 and a respected officer. Ashley continues to operate as a Spectre.
Liara goes to Mars to further examine the Mars Archives and get more data on the Protheans, looking for potential clues as to how they may be able to rebuild the mass relays.
Garrus continues serving the Turians. Eventually becomes the new Primarch.
Tali continues as an Admiral for the Quarians, eventually gaining much more power and respect.
Javik isolates himself, goes to live in a cave, then dies.

Bam. There you go. I did it all for you.

Except half those people are assumed to be on the Normandy, since any one of them can be with joker when it crashed on some random tropical planet with no way to get off since the ship is trashed. So your fanfic sucks and ignores the established cannon.
 
My negative reaction was unbiased and I am a die hard Bioware defender. The problem with the ending is that it makes no sense and has massive wtf plot holes. Dude, im with you, the entire game is a-ma-zing. London FOB is pretty emotional. Do you really think the backlash is over the lack of blue babies? No, it's over ghost kid and space magic. It's over the removal of player agency, of choice and consequence.

Yeah, again imagine if it had ended with an extended conversation with Shepard and Anderson. They had it all set up, big giant view of the battle and everything going on, where you could reflect back on your decisions throughout the series and watch the fruits/consequences in the final battle. So much wasted potential.
 
After the destruction of the mass relays, it's very clear that all the forces involved in the last battle are now essentially stranded in the immediate vicinity of the Sol system. The galactic civilization essentially has to rebuild with whatever consequences came about from Shepard's final choice.

Wrex leads whatever is left of the Krogan on Earth. Grunt remains one of the strongest and most loyal Krogan soldiers.
Jack continues to lead novice biotics and works towards rebuilding Earth, now with new purpose.
Samara returns to her Justicar duties, periodocially causing diplomatic incidents with the other races on Earth.
Ashley and Vega continue to serve in the Alliance. Vega becomes an N7 and a respected officer. Ashley continues to operate as a Spectre.
Liara goes to Mars to further examine the Mars Archives and get more data on the Protheans, looking for potential clues as to how they may be able to rebuild the mass relays.
Garrus continues serving the Turians. Eventually becomes the new Primarch.
Tali continues as an Admiral for the Quarians, eventually gaining much more power and respect.
Javik isolates himself, goes to live in a cave, then dies.

Bam. There you go. I did it all for you.

Or alternatively, they all died during the battle. Which means what? The answer is, we're both just making it up.
 
It still commits genocide on the Geth. And if EDI shows up on Jungle Planet, then I'd take that as more "Bioware didn't bother to make sure that it couldn't happen" than "Bioware was being super clever and the Catalyst was actually lying to you about everything", because if you can't trust the Catalyst, then every ending is complete and utter nonsense, which is just about the only thing worse than taking the endings at face value.
The Normandy's AI wouldn't be able to function would it?

Also . . . none of the ending make sense. :D

I mean they do, but when you really think about it, they don't.
 
Whatever. I merely did some very minimal and predictable extrapolation. Hardly fanfiction. Invent your own extrapolations if you want.
My fear would be that BW decides to rewrite the ending (fan fiction-style) and then somehow makes it worse by doing something extremely predictable.

I'm scared either way.
 
There was a common theme throughout the game, people die, friends die, war blows, oh and PEOPLE DIE. Did we not notice squad mates died throughout the series? So obviously BW is not afraid to kill people off, which isn't bad; also if they wanted to keep somewhat realistic which they kind of did just being in the future and such, most of the time people die in war especially when they are soldiers on the front line.

Also BW said mass effect is the story of Shepard, so when the series ends so does Shepard's story. I would assume that in a situation Shepard and everyone fighting was in that most of them would die, he is human he isn't immortal. Though it was strange that at the end when you are level 60 and have good weapons he powers through enemies like a super soldier literally, so they threw the fans a bone and had breathing at the end of a cutscene; but do a side mission and turn up the sound at the end and there is breathing in the background of most black screens. Kind of that "we are still alive and still fighting." theme carried throughout the game

Yea it sounds like a Gurren Laggan rip happened, but Gurren Laggan wasn't afraid to be over the top about it. Though it's plausible if you think about it.

1. Say this race creates machines and machines are destroying all organic life, so they build the reapers in a last ditch effort and are still destroyed but the reapers still finish off the synthetics and carry out the plans to make sure this doesn't happen again.

2. Or the race becomes the reapers and destroys the synthetics and wants to protect the galaxy. Hence why we are given the option to become one with the reapers like the first ones did. This seems like the most likely scenario since reapers don't seem like true AI/synthetic.

3. Or synthetics win, but like what happens when you save the geth they grow and receive individuality and become like EDI or the "new geth" and realize they will destroy everything if they continue. So they alter their programming and create the reapers to keep the rest of the universe in check while they continue living out their lives and being less destructive.

4. Or some new crazy idea some alien race had this war with synthetics they barely won, so to prevent this from happening they built the reapers because they knew they couldn't enforce a universe wide thing that said don't build synthetics. The reapers were made to destroy all species when something like Geth are made but to not worry about the creators because they learned their lesson. Because if the synthetics won in the milky way they could build up forces and take on the rest of the universe. So use reapers to prevent that, like a dick though.

BW you really missed the mark on the whole explanation on who made the reapers, yea we get their plan. It was vague and not well communicated, you had a lot of potential if you would have talked about it. But then again we only know what Shepard knows and he doesn't learn this so more could come out of it. I see prequel books maybe or something about the rebuild, we kind of defeated all enemy forces so a ME sequel game would have a hard time explaining itself if the gameplay was to remain unchanged.

Also people have been saying the whole the "Mass Effect relays are gone so everyone is trapped on Earth." Not really, they are just limited to FTL travel only, so stuck in the Sol Cluster. According to science that has come out in the last year we are pretty sure almost every star in the sky has a set of planets. We never really were told how many clusters there are in the Sol Cluster either, but in reality all the stars you traveled by when moving between clusters would have planets around them. Plus they understand how Mass Effect fields work in order to use FTL travel and Prothean's built the conduit. I am sure they would work on reconstructing them in a few hundred years. But reguardless all the races would have all of the solar systems around our local system to live on for a few hundred years. But with our population drop I am sure earth could handle them all.

Also BW will not rewrite the game with a new ending, that's just a silly thought. Almost as silly as saying the 3DS was going to get a re-release immediately after they made the extra joystick attachment. Cost would be too high, though we could see DLC that shows what happens to the rest of the crew after the war ends. BW doesn't make money if you like the ending or not, they make it on if you bought the game and saw the ending, its their story, would you expect someone who wrote a book to rewrite the book with a new ending because the fans didn't like the authors story? No because if that was the case the first Twlight book would have been re-released years ago and all the gay sparkly vampires murdered in chapter 2.
 
I'm feeling really conflicted about this game.

On one hand ME3 had some excellent setpieces (Rannoch, Tuchanka, London) which explained the story and gave closure but then the ending just seems abrupt.

And while I figured there wouldn't be a happy ending, they keep talking about sacrifice and people not coming back, at least they could give us three different and more fleshed out alternatives. Now it just seems really lazy and the endings don't fit the scope and quality of the rest of ME3.

Oh well, it's been a fun ride and it was nice to get closure on the quarian/krogan storylines. Those were more worth it to me then the mainquest.
 
The fact that I have to make up things means there is no closure. And for this series, that's been all about me getting to know it's world and characters. That sucks. I mean a good portion of ME has been about me interacting, influcing, and basically deciding what happens in a good many people's lives. And in the end you don't show the effect of my ultimate choice?

Gurren Lagann has a bittersweet ending, but we still have closure and ending that stays true to the show's themes.
 
My fear would be that BW decides to rewrite the ending (fan fiction-style) and then somehow makes it worse by doing something extremely predictable.

I'm scared either way.

Regardless of how you feel about the ending, they explicitly destroy the mass relays. They had a clear purpose in mind by doing that. Either is series is done and that was a message to convey that, or it continues with galactic civilization trying to rebuild itself in the Sol system.


We don't want your extrapolations.

Which is why I said you can invent your own if you want.
 
Just finished it...


So... how the fuck are they gonna make dlc for this?

Did anyone else choose the middle answer just because it's a shorter walk?

Also... what happens if you have enough paragon/renegade on the last speech option with Illusive man?
 
Regardless of how you feel about the ending, they explicitly destroy the mass relays. They had a clear purpose in mind by doing that. Either is series is done, or it continues with galactic civilization trying to rebuild itself in the Sol system.
Or some scientist invents a way to travel faster than light via the Prothean archives without mass relays and it doesn't matter.

I mean, they pulled the Crucible out of their asses.

Also... what happens if you have enough paragon/renegade on the last speech option with Illusive man?
He shoots himself.
 
Just finished it...


So... how the fuck are they gonna make dlc for this?

Did anyone else choose the middle answer just because it's a shorter walk?

Also... what happens if you have enough paragon/renegade on the last speech option with Illusive man?

Think he just shoots himself.
 
I'd feel like I had more room to extrapolate what might have happened before the chaos of the ending and Joker crash landing on a mysterious planet out of nowhere.

Not to mention the fact that the fleets of the entire galaxy are essentially stuck in one system.

Seriously, who the fuck knows what that'll lead to?

Not Bioware, I guess.
 
didnt the ships all have faster than light travel even without the mass relays

theyd take shitloads of time to get home but some solar systems are only a few light years away

go colonise mafuckas

Think he just shoots himself.
shepard shoots him if you choose the renegade thing last

god renegade is so often the correct response to things in this game
 
Or some scientist invents a way to travel faster than light via the Prothean archives without mass relays and it doesn't matter.

The Mass Relays aren't the only means of obtaining FTL speeds. In fact every time you move from system to system you're moving at FTL. The mass relays are like, super FTL. Moving hundreds or thousands of light years in split seconds.
 
I'd feel like I had more room to extrapolate what might have happened before the chaos of the ending and Joker crash landing on a mysterious planet out of nowhere.

Not to mention the fact that the fleets of the entire galaxy are essentially stuck in one system.

Seriously, who the fuck knows what that'll lead to?


Not Bioware, I guess.

Mass Effect Online - Rebuild the galaxy!
 
I went into the game only knowing people were complaining about the ending, but assumed it was the usual internet bitching. Didn't read the leaks and stayed away from forums while playing... so no, I hadn't decided to hate the end before starting.

Oh, I've seen a couple people complain they didn't get their happy ending.

I'm sure many do. Is only natural if you're invested and "care" for the characters. All the more reason then when you try to make something that is not rewarding in the obvious way, you have to do it well.

Does everything have to be explained to you in intricate detail for you to accept it?
Everybody keeps mentioning closure.

Is it really so hard to extrapolate?

There is va huge gap between explained every detail and what we got. And if you're going to introduce concepts that go against that players have experienced in the narrative and "logistics" of the fictional world until now, like a god-like presence on the Citadel that with the help of device assembled by people that didn't know what they were doing, can now rewrite every organism in the galaxy into a organic/synthetic hybrid, then yes, I little exposition is nice.

In short... some people want happy ending, sure, but most people would be satisfied with closure and a ending that makes a little bit of sense. Making a "shocking" ending isn't hard if you're just doing to be different.

Whatever. I merely did some very minimal and predictable extrapolation. Hardly fanfiction. Invent your own extrapolations if you want.

For me there is way to little to even having fun extrapolating. We don't know if the Normandy is close or not the sol system, we don't know if the relays blew up or not. Heck, you can make the case, as many have made, that it was all an hallucination. That is lazy, not clever writing.
 
It's some stock image they pulled off google. lol
Deviant Art!

The Mass Relays aren't the only means of obtaining FTL speeds. In fact every time you move from system to system you're moving at FTL. The mass relays are like, super FTL. Moving hundreds or thousands of light years in split seconds.
Well, they'll invent "micro mass relays" that they can build into ships.

I mean, this is like when they said "You can't go faster than Warp 10" on Star Trek... then at some point, they just said fuck it and had people fly around at Warp 25 or whatever.

This is just my way of saying that they can write an excuse to deal with the lack of Mass Relays if they want to. In gameplay terms, maybe in ME4/whatever it'll mean you can travel around the galaxy map without having to load each time you travel to a new destination.
 
Whatever. I merely did some very minimal and predictable extrapolation. Hardly fanfiction. Invent your own extrapolations if you want.

This is not extrapolation, this is complete and utter fabrication that is only necessary because of an extremely poor and shoddy ending. A good ending to a story doesn't require it's fans to make shit up out of the complete and total blue in order to find any sense of closure or finality to the series conclusion.

What we got only added more questions and issues to the series plot and resolved nothing but the Reaper threat. Everything else is left completely open and in question of even mattering anymore due to everything that happens with the relays and the merging or destruction and control choices. The endings are so extreme and far reaching we can't possibly know all the affects they'll have on the galaxy let alone extrapolate how things turned out.
 
After the destruction of the mass relays, it's very clear that all the forces involved in the last battle are now essentially stranded in the immediate vicinity of the Sol system. The galactic civilization essentially has to rebuild with whatever consequences came about from Shepard's final choice.

Wrex leads whatever is left of the Krogan on Earth. Grunt remains one of the strongest and most loyal Krogan soldiers.
Jack continues to lead novice biotics and works towards rebuilding Earth, now with new purpose.
Samara returns to her Justicar duties, periodocially causing diplomatic incidents with the other races on Earth.
Ashley and Vega continue to serve in the Alliance. Vega becomes an N7 and a respected officer. Ashley continues to operate as a Spectre.
Liara goes to Mars to further examine the Mars Archives and get more data on the Protheans, looking for potential clues as to how they may be able to rebuild the mass relays.
Garrus continues serving the Turians. Eventually becomes the new Primarch.
Tali continues as an Admiral for the Quarians, eventually gaining much more power and respect.
Javik isolates himself, goes to live in a cave, then dies.

Bam. There you go. I did it all for you.

Don't forget the reapers are stuck there too (if you didn't destroy)
 
I don't understand how letting the player use their imagination sometimes is akin to incompetancy.
Because they're supposed to use their imagination to deliver a good product?

I don't see why you're arguing about this. I know that no one is promised anything.

But I felt ripped apart.

In a way, I can appreciate that because it puts me in that state of mind that Shep is going through. But at the same time, I don't actually die or get vaporized or somehow miraculously live through that to know what happens next.

Yes, I can use my imagination, but that's fan-fic territory, and this is/was the end of the series.
 
There were so many great moments in this game prior to the ending.

I have a feeling if the ending was the "cliched" ending that some complain about, all the conversation right now would be about all those awesome moments before the ending. People would be talking about bottle shooting with Garrus, Mordin's last sacrifice, Legion and Tali on Rannoch, Grunt's last stand, etc etc etc. But we can't talk about them because we're forever stuck talking about the stupid ending. For that reason along I would take that cliched ending over the one we got. Even though I'm not a big fan of cliched endings.

As far as I am concerned, ME1 had as cliche of ending as possible, and yet it is one of the most memorable endings I have ever played. It is a simple scene, but hearing the soundtrack swell in the background while seeing Shepard bounding to the top of the rubble was about as perfect an ending as one could hope for and it managed to properly cap of the emotional rollercoaster ride of the rest of the game.
 
The comparisons to Gurren Lagann are always funny to me, because not only did the plots end up being extremely similar (right down to the final scene of the old man talking to the little boy, which is almost word for word identical), but GL ended up being almost pitch-perfect in its thematic consistency, while Mass Effect was almost perfect right up until the very, very end, where it fizzles out so hard that the messages in the ending are almost diametrically opposed to every major theme of the story up until that point.


It's like a three-game, 100-hour metaphor for trying to fart in Fable 2, coming so close, but overshooting by just enough that you end up shitting your pants and everyone hates you.
 
I'm just surprised that people expected a standard happy ending from this. The whole series has been setting up that these space croissants were a bit rigged in abilities. The whole 3rd game shows each race getting their asses handed to them and the only hope is a mysterious device that might do something...

Sure I'd love for an option for an ending that was less abstract... but would an everyone cheering star wars style ending work here?
 
As far as I am concerned, ME1 had as cliche of ending as possible, and yet it is one of the most memorable endings I have ever played. It is a simple scene, but hearing the soundtrack swell in the background while seeing Shepard bounding to the top of the rubble was about as perfect an ending as one could hope for and it managed to properly cap of the emotional rollercoaster ride of the rest of the game.
Yeah. And it had an actual epilogue after that.

I remember fiending for Mass Effect 2 after I put Anderson on the council. (Which, lol, didn't matter anyway since somehow Udina took over in ME3).
 
I don't understand how letting the player use their imagination sometimes is akin to incompetancy.


When has the Mass Effect series been about letting gamers use their imagination to the extent that you seem to think? (Other than to imagine what sweet Tali's face looked like!)

Especially starting with ME2, the story has very much targeted for a mass audience, I would have rather taken the least common denominator happy ending then...whatever the hell they were trying to do.
 
Or some scientist invents a way to travel faster than light via the Prothean archives without mass relays and it doesn't matter.

FTL travel already exists in all their ships, Mass Effect Relays just do it much better job and connect you directly to another relay. Any time you move between planet clusters, planets revolving around a star, you are doing it. EDI would say "jump to FTL successful" and fuel usage then kicked in. The whole idea was you had to use Element Zero to do FTL travel when not using a relay and that is what was happening with the fuel usage.
 
Have to agree that ME1 had the best ending. The ending was so good you just wanted to start over again as soon as the game finished.

ME1 might have the best ending of any game I've played this generation.
 
Yeah. And it had an actual epilogue after that.

I remember fiending for Mass Effect 2 after I put Anderson on the council. (Which, lol, didn't matter anyway since somehow Udina took over in ME3).
Yeah what was up with that? I did'nt read the books or play the DLC, but I just assumed that change was mentioned in one of those.
 
If you read his codex page they tell you he resigned.
Meaning they wanted to have that Citadel sequence but didn't want to ruin Anderson's character.

That said, imagine if the roles were reversed? By picking Anderson to serve on the council in ME1, you sentence Anderson to indoctrination in ME3 and he sells the Citadel out to Cerberus... At least that would have made that ME1 choice matter.
 
I step away for 30 min and when I come back people are writing fanfiction and telling me to "extrapolate" when there was nothing to extrapolate from. I'm going to bed.
 
If you read his codex page they tell you he resigned.

Sounds reasonable I guess. But in the end further adds to the feeling that I've gotten from both 2 and now 3. That Bioware tends to just kind of avoid dealing with having to calculate your choices. I mean I guess it would be hard to design and actually produce a game that factors in every little choice while still trying to make a story that you want to tell, but still.
 
My gf is almost done with the game, just rewatched the part where you first go through the Sol Relay. That has to be the coolest moment in the series, my god the possibilities! If that just went on for 30 minutes with all your choices being reflected in the battle. I'd be a happy mofo.

SO MANY SHIPS!!! I'm ordering the shitty Star Wars trilogy on bluray now just for the space combat.
 
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