HP_Wuvcraft
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It's badly written, sure, but it does tie everything up. It explains the Reapers. There's a difference between not making sense and not answering anything.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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It's badly written, sure, but it does tie everything up. It explains the Reapers. There's a difference between not making sense and not answering anything.
nah, if you had me1 save, the rachni works for you (although you never see it) while if you didn't have a save they betray you (or so people say)
HP_Wuvcraft
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That Indoctrination Theory is all sorts of awesome.
They do not. But the % is constant.
Shadow Moses
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thanks
But in all endings the Mass Relays get destroyed.
what paragon ending?
I don´t think Bioware can pull "this was just a dream" argument, mainly because if the "true" ending is coming in some form of DLC, the fan outcry would make this ending rage look like a small bump in the road.
"Pay for DLC to get the true ending", how fucked up would that be? to ship an incomplete game and then force the players to pay more to finish it.
I don´t believe it is at all possible.
"Pay for DLC to get the true ending", how fucked up would that be? to ship an incomplete game and then force the players to pay more to finish it.
I don´t believe it is at all possible.
Blue Ninja
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The dark energy-thing would've been better than what we got. It wouldn't have come out of the left field. They could've foreshadowed it even more by having some stars blow up because of it. It would've worked.
What we got now was just...
Also, that Reddit post seems to be a bit off on the current motivations of the Reapers. The technological singularity is a point where organics and technology become one, as far as I know. It's the 'green' ending. The Reapers aren't working to prevent it, they're working to make sure all organic life isn't wiped out by synthetics by harvesting civilizations advanced enough to create artificial intelligences.
I would also like to know this.
He said numbers because what the choice effects are assets. Sparing the real Rachni queen (yeah, I'm annoyed enough with this cop out to refer to them as "real" and "fake") will increase war assets as the Rachni help in development of the Crucible, whereas the fake Rachni queen is indoctrinated, will start attacking the Alliance, and need to be put down, thus lowering the number.
Well, you also spare Grunt if he's there by killing it. So, seriously, kill it.
Enough people are saying they will buy DLC that replaces the ending, but this may be a case where the silent majority DOESN'T agree. Nevermind the people uninterested in ME being angry at how it could effect the rest of the industry.
GrandHarrier
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Isn't it obvious? DESTROY.
Blue Ninja
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I think he means control. You sacrifice yourself to control the Reapers and they leave, leaving the rest of the galaxy alone. Nobody else dies. I'm just saying this because it's the 'blue'-colored one, though.
The only one you get the "Shep is alive" ending is the destroy ending tho.
MegaKungFuRadio
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Not really. At the end of the day, none of the choices have ever really had much impact outside of a few choice sentences from time to time reminding you what you did. The differences are there, but they're so negligible/subtle that without playing through the other games, they hardly matter. Other than starting at level 30 (a great bonus IMO) the main thing you gain from playing the previous games and importing is context, which is extremely valuable.
Blue Ninja
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Yeah, but I don't think that's what he means with a 'Paragon'-ending. Shep selflessly sacrifices himself to stop the Reapers, and only himself. In the Destroy-ending he potentially dies, but sacrifices the geth and every other synthetic life form in the galaxy to stop the Reapers. That feels more Renegade to me.
I think none of the 3 choices is inherently good or evil, then again i think the ending was pulled out of someone´s ass with an emergency induction port
Blue Ninja
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I think none of the 3 choices is inherently good or evil, then again i think the ending was pulled out of someone´s ass with an emergency induction port
On that we can agree.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Thinking on it longer, while I do like the indoctrination theory, it would mean that we would actually see the Real Ending as dlc, since there is no reason, artistic or otherwise, for that to be the end of the game.
While that Dark Energy ending would have been better than the one we got, I don't think the Reapers needed some galaxy saving motive. I always thought the Reapers were just a super advanced race that viewed other races being reaperized as the ultimate form of those races. That's the impression I got from Harbinger and the other Reapers anyway.
jediyoshi
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If you killed the queen (which is default for if you didn't import that decision), they also get into a spiel about how the reapers created it and it being a false queen iirc. But yeah, there's no functional difference.
dragonelite
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Art bro.
ElectricBlue187
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Who says he fell? Maybe he's still in orbit on the citadel wreck.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Don't get me started on Ron Moore's writing process.
ElectricBlue187
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They ARE referenced in the cutscenes. The major groups you grabbed are all there in that final awesome space battle. There are a great many ending haters that just didn't seem to pay attention for the last 30 minutes.
Blue Ninja
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Since when is the Citadel made of stone? It looks very much like he's stuck in London at the end there.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Drunk Tali is best Tali.
For...many reasons.
For...many reasons.
Blue Ninja
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"Here's to Miranda."
"You geneticially modified, Cerberus cheerleader bosh'tet, Keelah se'lai."
Her drunk call to Javik's also hilarious.
GrandHarrier
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S/he was on a part of the Citidel they didn't recognize brah, you know, the stone part.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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I secretly hoped I'd see some Elcor kicking ass and verbally prefacing responses with emotive states... at the same time.
Blue Ninja
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So that's where Vent God was hiding all those years.
EDIT: Hahaha, holy shit, you can buy equipment packs with MS points in this game? Are you fucking kidding me? :lol
GrandHarrier
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Welcome to the microtransaction future. Besides its not that big of a deal since its not competitive. Not even score since everyone gets the same experience total.
I consider dead tali to be best tali. Legion and the Geth are far more interesting anyways
Was disappointing Quarian and Geth ships are not specifically shown in the space battles, unless i missed it somewhere... i mean, outside shots of those ship´s in battle.
Also where are the salarians? I think i missed those as well, unless their ship design´s are similar to turian/human/asari.
Would have been nice for some shots of the Volus bomber´s or the Hanar ships.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
"You liiiiiike her. And you like meeeeeeeeeeee"
I consider dead tali to be best tali. Legion and the Geth are far more interesting anyways
I have both. Shame Tali and Garrus hook up. I would have liked some sweaty, angry genocidal android alien sex between Tali and Legion. Maybe in DLC.
Yeah, I have to say I actually quite like the store system in the multi. It's like getting booster packs for cards or something.
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I just watched Javik talk about Geth..... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?! That would of help understand the Magic Child's "solution"..But gotta pay for it
Hypertrooper
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Do people buy them? You can easily get 2 Veteran Packs in one silver game.
WiiredShawn
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If it's indoctrination/hallucination, then no - they weren't destroyed. That is the beauty of that theory: it's entirely possible that the destruction of the relays is a fabrication of Shepard's thoughts, an imagined scenario based on what the Catalyst tells him/her (but as I've said before, why are we so inclined to believe the Catalyst?).
I know it's more fun to shit on Bioware, and surely some of their decisions deserve it, but for those who want to keep the game based in literal-mindedness, the indoctrination/dream idea is the only one that makes sense. If it's indoctrination, then there is nothing philosophical going on, it is simply Harbinger manipulating a battered Shepard's mental insecurities. It's no different, really, from the mental degradation efforts seen in ME1 or ME2, only that here we receive a change in perspective: the process is first-hand, rather than something merely communicated to us.
All Bioware needs to do in order to capitalize on this idea is release an "Epilogue DLC" that closes up what happens "after" Shepard wakes up on Earth (granted, that only happens in the "Destroy" ending if you were sufficiently prepared, which might raise problems for those that didn't have the resolve to stick to their guns.
).What's a good level to jump from Bronze->Silver?
GrandHarrier
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Probably. They are cheap enough to be impulse buys. Won't deny I got 2 spectre/1 veteran out of morbid curiosity. Won't do it again, but eh, was OK.
ElectricBlue187
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None of the endings were quite happy but the indoctrination theory is the most depressing one of all
A few other things that bothered me with the ending.
No matter what the outcome, we condemned hundreds of thousands of Turians to a slow death on earth by destroying the mass relay, being extro-amino acid based, they can´t eat our food.
I ended up killing a significant portion of the Quarian people after i just got them their home world back
Same with the survivors of the Normandy crash, either the humans or levo-amino acid based species survive or the turian/quarian crew survive.
One last thing, on my play through, after the Normandy crashed, i had Javik walk out, along with Tali and Joker. how the fuck is that decided by the game? who comes out or not. Seeing as Javik was with me in the final assault...
No matter what the outcome, we condemned hundreds of thousands of Turians to a slow death on earth by destroying the mass relay, being extro-amino acid based, they can´t eat our food.
I ended up killing a significant portion of the Quarian people after i just got them their home world back
Same with the survivors of the Normandy crash, either the humans or levo-amino acid based species survive or the turian/quarian crew survive.
One last thing, on my play through, after the Normandy crashed, i had Javik walk out, along with Tali and Joker. how the fuck is that decided by the game? who comes out or not. Seeing as Javik was with me in the final assault...
Blue Ninja
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Good way to burn some extra points, I guess. I'd have bought one to get rid of some of mine, but I only have 20 left.
WiiredShawn
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How so? If you resisted the Catalyst's mental games, and choose Destroy, then supposedly, you win. If you choose Control or Synthesize, well, you were tricked and probably reaperized, which admittedly sucks hard. But if the theory is sound, then this is a final boss fight based on resolve rather than power. If you lack resolve, you lose, whereas in other games, if you lack power, you lose. Same difference, really.
Side note, just experienced drunk Tali last night in my second playthrough, and it was glorious. Although now I'm sad I apparently missed the Javik exchange! *goes to find old save file*
I think people claiming the dark energy ending would be better are in denial upset about this ending grasping at straws. That would have been just as bad if not worse with the same people raging about it. What precedence or great foreshadowing for it was there beyond a quick glaze over in one mission in ME2? At least with the whole rogue AI thing we've been dealing with since ME1 at every turn between the geth, murderous VI's and the whole is EDI going to turn on us and kill us all. The groundwork is right there I'm not understanding why people are claiming that was out of nowhere yet the dark energy thing had precedence? Really!?
Not trying to defend this ending either just saying lets not get too crazy here. I'm not really sure if they could have came up with an ending to totally satisfy everyone. Make it to convulated and mindblowing and people poke holes in it and you turn off all the dudebros you just got on board with ME2 and adding MP in ME3. Could have been worse though, they could have had Dietz write it with no editor.
Not trying to defend this ending either just saying lets not get too crazy here. I'm not really sure if they could have came up with an ending to totally satisfy everyone. Make it to convulated and mindblowing and people poke holes in it and you turn off all the dudebros you just got on board with ME2 and adding MP in ME3. Could have been worse though, they could have had Dietz write it with no editor.
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