That's probably for people who are paragons, meaning they don't want to use the renegade QTE to stop TIM from doing that?
I thought it was lemon lime and bubble gum!
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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So is it an ongoing effect or a one time thing? Because it only makes sense if it's an ongoing effect, as what precluded the syntheti-organics from making pure synthetics that could slaughter them all?
You can't import that one.
Yeah it's not good. They managed to have both mass effect and dragon age fans raging at them over their latest games. There were going to be people hating on ME3 regardless of how the game turned out but it seems the endings have become the new DA2.
Will be watching to see what happens over the next few months.
That reminds me, I remember all the dev interviews before ME2 was released saying how Shepard could die, etc etc
And in the end you literally had to get no upgrades and intentionally fuck up just to get him to die.
Vire
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An Omega mission helping out Aria would be really cool as well. But yeah, I echo these thoughts.
Wat? i can stop samara from killing herself. oh man
Paragon prompt.
Guessing he was either told that it was antagonizing the fans, or it conflicted with the inevitable official reply to this stuff that will come from Bioware eventually.
You get a paragon QTE to prevent her from using the gun.
so with all the mass relays destroyed:
1. the quarians (and tali) who i helped regain their home world after years of floating in space cannot actually go back and LIVE in their homeworld?
2. the krogans, with mordin's selfless sacrifice to cure the genophage cant actually go back to tuchanka? so all the males stuck in earth and palaven cant go back. and all the females, and i assume some males, back in tuchanka has to live and be stuck at a dying planet?
1. the quarians (and tali) who i helped regain their home world after years of floating in space cannot actually go back and LIVE in their homeworld?
2. the krogans, with mordin's selfless sacrifice to cure the genophage cant actually go back to tuchanka? so all the males stuck in earth and palaven cant go back. and all the females, and i assume some males, back in tuchanka has to live and be stuck at a dying planet?
LOL
darkpaladinmfc
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I was Paragon and used blue space magic to make Illusive Man kill himself, he didn't get a chance to kill Anderson.
I must have missed it. i was distracted until i heard the gun shot.....
HarryHengst
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Im amazed at how people manage to do exactly the wrong things in these kinds of situatians, like retweeting an article that basically tells pissed off fans they just dont understand it. :lol
lol, I saved her.
Vire
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What is he supposed to say? It's pretty clear they are sticking to it, so I don't see anything wrong with it. You aren't entitled to jack shit.
It's their game and that's the ending they made.
I think the article brings up a bunch of good points, but I still disagree with some of the decisions made.
Zomba13
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Morinth will show up at some point in the game as a Banshee if you recruited her or didn't complete Samara's loyalty mission.
This. I think the way the 3 choices are presented to you are stupid but this scene (and joker flying the normandy) just took the cake because it made absolutely no sense to me. There had to have been a better way to show people surviving than that.
Who knows, maybe the normandy landed on a mysterious tropical island with a smoke monster. That would explain why my squadmates are still alive
You figured it out. Sequel is Mass Effect: LOST.
HarryHengst
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Yep. No matter what you do, everything is fucked. Because good endings are for children, according to multiple game journalists and Bioware. :lol
Ros8105
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But this game actually has all the answers, it's not like Lost at all.
Edit: See.
Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.
It's a promise.
Betting that Bioware and EA are still assessing the situation. The game still hasn't been released everywhere after all (comes out in Japan tomorrow).
doubleplusgood
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I'm sure they can stick it out and fly home. At least the quarians are used to flying around in space caravans most of their life.
HarryHengst
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Sure, it just means they wont be getting my money anymore. This ending was a kick in the balls and while i really love the rest of the game, the ending proves that i cant trust Bioware anymore. So yeah, if they come out and tell everyone that this is it, fine, but thats it for me buying Bioware games. And im sure there are a lot of people thinking this way after DA2 and this.
CharmingCharlie
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The closest thing I have seen to a "guide" for these erm "endings" is here :-
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings
They list all "17" endings (yes I kid you not they call them 17 different endings) along with the EMS numbers you need to get them.
Vire
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“Mass Effect 3 emotionally wrecked me. It’s Bioware’s game so it’s their choice. And obviously the game was effective to get that response, but I still feel like shit,” one fan told me. “I don’t play games to feel like this after [they’re over]. How do I trust Bioware to not wreck me again if I decide to join them on their next epic?”
Here’s the rub: You don’t know that they won’t wreck you again. This is one of the amazing things about dramatic works. You begin to like your characters, and maybe even love them, and there is nothing keeping the people who have control of those characters from killing them off or making you feel complex emotions. Good drama is much like life; you don’t have much control over the fate of people you care about. They come and go. Gamers are used to the idea that if they do everything right, they are owed a happy ending and they get to keep the image of their happy avatar forever and ever. Bioware was going for something a little braver, and much heavier. This move was telegraphed multiple times throughout the game, and it wasn’t hard to catch. There was never a guarantee that Shepard would survive, and it was all but promised the journey would come at a massive mental and physical cost. The ending kept the tone and thematic arc of the series."
From the article.
I think we've just become so conditioned throughout the years in video games to expect a fairy tale ending that we become legitimately shocked and indignant about something heavier. What's the point of having stakes if they ultimately always lead to the good guys winning. Life isn't always fair, and most good drama's mirror this.
ElectricBlue187
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Yeah Dekunna sounded like an actually fully fleshed out mission. Shame.
oh my god I remember reading this
I am curious why Bioware said certain things that are just flat out wrong during the pre release window. With the exception of the ending, the game was great. They didn't need to lie to get sales and yet Gamble, Hudson, and Walters all have quotes that are just straight lies. It is unfortunate.
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It's easy to see they cut the Dekuuna mission. You get the mission from the ambassador and in the journal it's listed as a regular side mission but when you go to do it you evacuate the elcor by...dropping a probe.
When I was able to turn it in after I got the quest I was really confused because I didn't remember getting anything like that from scanning Dekuuna earlier.
Riposte
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Anderson seemed to only reference Retribution, where he shot Kai Leng in the legs. Which wasn't bad like Deception. That is the one where Paul Grayson gets all Reaper-fied and that is mentioned in the game too. Nothing from Deception seems to be in the game. That makes sense given that it only reduced characters from the perfectly resolved ending of Retribution. Anderson and Sanders seem to come out of it unchanged lol. What a completely terrible effort that book was.
I want to see all the cut content... did I miss a link somewhere?
Vire
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Considering the game is already 30+ hours, I don't really feel too bad about it. My playthrough time is about the same as beating ME2.
Karak
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Since all this is completing negated by them choosing to not go braver and include a living Shepard in an ending. What does this article really say other than...uhm...they fucked up the endings? Or, its all really just a book. I will have to go check the article but since whomever wrote it didn't even discuss the major issue I am not sure it means much.
For me personally if I know that no matter what I do in a game I am going to die at the end. I would never even open the box. I can see that shit on the news
HarryHengst
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No, sorry, you are missing the whole point. Which is funny because pretty much everyone who is defending the current ending ends up claiming that people are unhappy because the ending wasnt happy. I (and with me loads of people both on GAF, the Bioware forums or Something Awful or other places) have already stated that we would have been perfectly fine with an unhappy ending where Shepard died and hell, half the galaxy as well for good measure.
Im unhappy because this ending isnt an ending. Its like ending Return of the Jedi when the Death Star was blown up, or Lord of the Rings with Gollum falling in Mount Doom with the ring and after that credits. It lacks any closure at all. Thats my biggest problem. There are lots more problems with the ending, but i dont really care that things like the Relays exploding and not blowing up solar systems go against earlier established rules.
lastplayed
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But the good guys did win. What I hate about it is the fact that just about everyone is worse off because of it, it was a lose/lose situation. I can cope with the odd character dying, I could even cope with Shepard dying, but not how ME3 ended. It was too vague and destructive.
Even the dramatic endings of Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith were better than this.
Zomba13
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Also there is a save file flag for being alive or 'going out in a blaze of glory'. Dunno if the flag is decided at the end (in the career/save that is imported into New Game+) or if it's decided at a certain point before (like the flag = die until you get the right amount of EMS then it changes to Survives to trigger the ending).
For those of you wondering about Jack turning into a Phantom, I found a Youtube video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPJj8efNskM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPJj8efNskM
HarryHengst
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The Mass Effect twitter is making some replies that hint at things to come:
@masseffect The ending to ME3 is so sad though beautiful. But i'm left with so many questions that need answers.
@sebastianmetto Hang in there...
@masseffect Do you like the movie The 6th Sense or Shutter Island? I like those films. *wink wink*
@dancoys Ha! Think we know what you are getting at.
@masseffect Is there going to be a statement to address your fans discontent with ME3's ending? We're all waiting for something..Please guys
@nozilna Stay tuned for all news via [@masseffect]
@masseffect Hope by the time I reach ME3 again (began ME1 today, addicted!), we will have amazing DLC so I won't end up in tears again!
@netizka Aw...no more tears!
@masseffect The ending to ME3 is so sad though beautiful. But i'm left with so many questions that need answers.
@sebastianmetto Hang in there...
@masseffect Do you like the movie The 6th Sense or Shutter Island? I like those films. *wink wink*
@dancoys Ha! Think we know what you are getting at.
@masseffect Is there going to be a statement to address your fans discontent with ME3's ending? We're all waiting for something..Please guys
@nozilna Stay tuned for all news via [@masseffect]
@masseffect Hope by the time I reach ME3 again (began ME1 today, addicted!), we will have amazing DLC so I won't end up in tears again!
@netizka Aw...no more tears!
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Makes the whole thing even worse. "You think also think our ending was shit? So did we! Now you have the opportunity to buy one that doesn't suck!" Fuck off Bioware....
Zomba13
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So either way Bioware was ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL?
When the indoctrination ending proves right I reserve the right to rub it into the non-believers and hail Bioware as greatest Trolls in the gaming industry.
My body is indoctrinated.
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