I did that except for talking with Vega and his buddy down in cargo. I guess I fast forwarded through dialogue because I just read all the subtitles, but that hardly seems like enough to account for 8-10 hours of gameplay.
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I did that except for talking with Vega and his buddy down in cargo. I guess I fast forwarded through dialogue because I just read all the subtitles, but that hardly seems like enough to account for 8-10 hours of gameplay.
Last Hearth
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Some one at BSN posted this, don't know if I believe but quite an interesting read, and a lot better than the ending we got.
After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.
The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)
A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.
B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated.
C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.
D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.
[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
You basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.
Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die.
After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).
Now for the four endings.
If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.
If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.
The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.
The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.
After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.
The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)
A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.
B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated.
C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.
D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.
[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
You basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.
Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die.
After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).
Now for the four endings.
If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.
If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.
The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.
The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.
Empty Space
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He's been indoctrinated since the First Contact War, but do to the way he was exposed and his own will he'd been able to resist it up till ME3 or so. Those hunches he had about the Collectors came from his indoctrination. It's also why he has cyborg eyes like Saren.
That's not the endings' problem. The issue is there's little closure and much confusion from it.
That quote about not having an A, B, and C ending choice still slays me.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh fuck, god no at the dlc hints.
PsychoSoldier
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Guys, I wouldn't read anything from the PR tweets. It's unlikely they have any insider knowledge.
I mean, I think in general it's a good idea to not have too many know about in development stuff to begin with.
I mean, I think in general it's a good idea to not have too many know about in development stuff to begin with.
mercenar1e
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Pollux
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You seriously just don't get it, do you? People aren't pissed off that Shepard died. They're pissed off that it was "LULZ, SPAAAAACE MAGIC. MINT! CHERRY! BERRY!!!!!!!" The ending just made no sense, and was random as all hell. It's full of plot holes and is a huge kick in the nuts to everyone who played the first 2 games. The entire series is built upon player choice, and in the end, NOTHING you do in the other games makes a damn bit of difference to the overall outcome.
What's the source for that? This wasn't in the leaked script at all.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Sadly.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I have the sudden urge to watch Gurren Lagann again
HarryHengst
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There is an even more hilarious quote from the lead writer, from last month, about how the endings would really varied and different depending on your game. :lol
Let's not fool ourselves. Bioware's DLC team, assuming it is comparable to those who worked on ME1 and ME2 DLC, would take between six months and a year to actually re-build a decently high-end ending. We don't even know if the game has capability to change anything except add new planets that tie into the main war assets plot before attacking the Cerberus base.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hey, a different coloured light show is a pretty major decision!
I mean this sounds better but I feel like someone just made this up with tweaks to the current ending.
they sure accomplished that, clap for them
CharmingCharlie
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Now THAT is an ending I would have been extremely happy with, not perfect in every way (but no ending is ever going to be perfect). The person that decided to ditch that ending and go with Space Casper should hang their head in shame.
firehawk12
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#occupyedmonton
ElectricBlue187
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He says "you did good, kid"
Some people are losing it over this shit.
This will actually happen. ME fans are quite devoted.
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I have the urge to make videos and edit sound from Gurran Lagann
Such as when all the spaceships showup "Who the hell do you think we are"
Pollux
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Actually your choices DON'T matter since the endgame is one giant reset button. Unless, like me, you subscribe to the indoctrination theory. As it stands nothing you do makes any difference since we're left with a creepy old man telling a story about something in the past (or made up) and since there is no space travel according to the old man nothing you did makes a bit of difference.
Gamefaqs. I'm not kidding.
The Xtortionist
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I don't even see why the ending had to involve any choices. It could have just been a culmination of your previous choices, rather than a choice itself.
rollingstart
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you're giving them ideas
DLC pack #1: Yellow, Orange, and Purple Space Magic (800 bioware points)
ShockingAlberto
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I am not sure there's a way to interpret him saying that other than it just straight up being a lie.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Have Shepard biotic charge someone so hard, they rip a hole in the fabric of reality and kick reason to the curb
EDIT: He should biotic charge a galaxy across another galaxy
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Neogaf standing by?
ElectricBlue187
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He never says there is no space travel. He says maybe the kid will see things he could never imagine, which alludes that this is taking place far in the future
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My god......
Oh that explains it :lol. The script extracted from the November build is pretty close with what we got in the retail code except it add more scenes to explain some details. Guess someone made that whole thing up.
bigace33
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"Then we will attack india. I don't care. We will attack every 3rd world country if it makes a difference." lol I am dying laughing at that thread. I feel these guys though. I give them my full emotional support.
What's wrong with them fixing the ending through DLC?
I'll praise my Gamefaqs overlords as they have given me the proper ending to ME3.
Now I'll pretend the 'real' thing never happened.
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$$$$$$
Psychoward
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Eh, the OP doesn't have any games registered, and seems trollish.
What makes you think they'll fix it?
It brings up some pretty serious ethical and moral issues and sets a really bad precedent. No one really gave a shit with Fallout 3 because it wasn't a story driven game plus we actually got more content out of that DLC.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, selling endings is silly. (FF13-2 gets a free pass now, guys).
Also, I don't want some bullshit "it was all a dream" twist ending. That's not the way to "fix" the ending.
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EA owns Bioware, EA has shareholders to please
New discussion BioWare or EA, who is the Reaper who is the Catalyst? You decide.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Bobby Kotick is Anderson.
Riposte
Member
More like Udina
If they go with the indoctrination bullshit, I'll just . . . what can I do. :/
More depression imminent.
Blue Ninja
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Having a discussion with a friend who's a firm believer of the indoctrination theory. It's... Interesting.
I still think the theory's shit, though. :lol
I still think the theory's shit, though. :lol
ThoseDeafMutes
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FTL travel for a "typical" vessel is ~5600 times the speed of light, according to figures given by the codex. At this speed, it would take roughly 25 years to cross the two furthest points of the galaxy. Earth to Eden Prime would take far less time than this. The Normandy is also considerably faster than a typical vessel.
Any colony or mining base within about a 50 ly radius of Earth would be "Easily accessible"
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