Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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An indoctrination ending would piss me off more because it means they shipped an incomplete game. If there is an ending DLC and even if its free I would still be majorly pissed off because it means Bioware jerked me around made me wait god knows how long to see the actual ending. Its like the ending to The Devil Inside which was also universally panned when they just put a URL up at the end and told you to go watch more footage at the site.
 
Dax01 said:
If the indoctrination theory is true, and BioWare charges us the true ending through DLC, what a ripoff that would be.
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Kind of like Bungie not being able to finish Halo 2 (and thus leaving us with a terrible ending) and having the first half of Halo 3 be that ending.
 
Dax01 said:
If the indoctrination theory is true, and BioWare charges us the true ending through DLC, what a ripoff that would be.
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Barring an ME4 announcement, it's an awful business practice.

Not everyone downloads DLC if it's free, let alone purchases DLC. Hell, not everyone with a console logs onto XBLA or PSN. So to some of your customers, you're selling them a game without the final chapters, and :lol @ them.

To the rest, if it's free, it's still a bad precedent to set, because there's nothing stopping the next instance of this little 'trick' from being $15. If it's not free, well... that's obvious.

Then there's the subjective opinion of whether writing an indoctrination type fake ending is clever or just lazy psuedo-intellecual nonsense, in the first place.
 
MechaX said:
The way I looked at it, when considering that the fleets of almost every major race were going to be stranded in the Sol System for quite a long time regardless of what you choose, I might as well make them into organic/synthetic hybrids in order to speed things along in terms of getting them back to their homes; make sure they don't kill each other in record time.
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I mean seriously. The turians are a military meritocracy, and a huge part of their military is now stranded in another system.

And poor volus. Nobody's gonna care about your whole client race and galactic trade management now.
 
Here's an ending I had in my head ever since before this game came out, but still applies now:

Shepard makes it to the Citadel core, talks to the kid or some machine running the whole thing. Shepard finds out that this Citadel is only one of many, and that there are other citadels in other galaxies, possibly every galaxy in the local supercluster, or even the universe, and that The Reapers are a much bigger operation than originally thought.
 
I never looked at the leaked script I know there was little variance between it and the actual game. The control ending was the only one in it IIRC. What was the bid deal why did everybody hate it then and now think the actual game is great?
 
JerkShep said:
So how the Normandy stranded fits in this infamous indoctrination theory?
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Nothing after the run to the Catalyst beam actually happened (except for waking up at the end of the Destroy ending).
 
Also wouldn't the destruction of the relays also destroy (or at least severely damage) the planets in the system? Isn't that what happened in the Arrival DLC for ME2?
 
Rebel Leader said:
Only if you have high magical assests & pick destroy
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no, you get reset to the same point in the game regardless. Only if you get the best ending you get to see Shep is alive. He will be alive in any DLC game content regardless if you got the best ending or not. I mean if he survived blowing up the universe and fell back through the atmosphere unharmed, yeah I guess that would be space magic, but he didn't.
 
Empty Space said:
I never looked at the leaked script I know there was little variance between it and the actual game. The control ending was the only one in it IIRC. What was the bid deal why did everybody hate it then and now think the actual game is great?
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Because it was always a good game and our anger of the ending clouded on how much we enjoyed the game... So we probaly decided the we shouldn't allow the end to shit that up


Right?
 
Dax01 said:
They're nothing at all alike. Halo 2's ending was pretty badass, and Halo 3 a full game out of and not just some DLC.
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I shut off my xbox in disgust when I saw the credits roll. I knew they had to cut the end of the game because they had to ship but I did not expect it to be so abrupty over and require you to buy the rest of it (The Storm was the last bit stemming from the Halo 2 arc.) I'm not arguing that Halo 3 wasn't a full game by itself, but that Halo 2 was not finished in its shipping state, and you could not finish that specific arc without paying for more content.
 
The more I think about the more I am okay with destroying the Relays as part of the price of beating the Reaper. Kinda like LOTR where the price for destroying the Ring is that the elves have to leave Middle Earth.

It's every thing else about the ending that I can't stand.
 
Cagey said:
Kid dies in front of him when Reapers first invade Earth, as he's leaving Earth and feeling torn about leaving, since the fight is just starting. Kids are innocent victims who had no role in the fight; Ashley/Kaiden were soldiers who were sacrificed in battle far removed from the invasion of Earth.

It makes sense. It's just... meh.
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And the dream sequences are so laughable that even though a vague indoctrination subplot resulting in an ending red herring is a cool idea, the foundation that the writers built to support such an outcome throughout the game is pretty damn shaky.

Harbinger doesn't even have a speaking role in the game. The people we see succumbing to indoctrination are already ambitious assholes that the player doesn't trust, never anyone close to Shepard. It is not an impossible twist, but it would be one that prioritized mystery above a compelling story arc that would have given it emotional meaning and weight.
 
RedSwirl said:
Here's an ending I had in my head ever since before this game came out, but still applies now:

Shepard makes it to the Citadel core, talks to the kid or some machine running the whole thing. Shepard finds out that this Citadel is only one of many, and that there are other citadels in other galaxies, possibly every galaxy in the local supercluster, or even the universe, and that The Reapers are a much bigger operation than originally thought.
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The problem with this sort of thinking, is it just becomes a bit ridiculous, wondering if there's always a higher power. Someone in charge of the reapers, someone in charge of that person who is in charge of the reapers. Where did they come from, etc etc. The reapers did get explained, but it just came off as really poorly done.

To me it's more a case of I don't need things to be explained perfectly. I always use the example that when people want things explained, we get Midichlorians.
 
ok well I got a question, did Harbinger even exist? I thought Harbinger was this evil dude who controlled the reapers, but then the catalyst said i control them.

Was Harbinger just another made up thing by the catalyst, or did I miss something?
 
Omzz said:
ok well I got a question, did Harbinger even exist? I thought Harbinger was this evil dude who controlled the reapers, but then the catalyst said i control them.

Was Harbinger just another made up thing by the catalyst, or did I miss something?
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I guess stuff like this points to it being all a dream to shepard.
 
megalowho said:
And the dream sequences are so laughable that even though a vague indoctrination subplot resulting in an ending red herring is a cool idea, the foundation that the writers built to support such an outcome throughout the game is pretty damn shaky.

Harbinger doesn't even have a speaking role in the game. The people we see succumbing to indoctrination are already ambitious assholes that the player doesn't trust, never anyone close to Shepard. It is not an impossible twist, but it would be one that prioritized mystery above a compelling story arc that would have given it emotional meaning and weight.
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Wheres the money in that?
 
Yeah I'd be okay with an ending if the Crucible just harnessed the power of all the Relays and sent the Reaper someplace FAR FAR AWAY, like to another galaxy cluster, and in doing so all the Relays are burnt out.
 
Kurtofan said:
So before the game came out I heard that Kai Leng would attack you in the Normandy, was that in the leaked script and got removed?
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Yeah, I could have sworn I saw Kai Leng inside Shepard's quarters in one of the trailers, but I can't seem to find it atm.
 
Omzz said:
ok well I got a question, did Harbinger even exist? I thought Harbinger was this evil dude who controlled the reapers, but then the catalyst said i control them.

Was Harbinger just another made up thing by the catalyst, or did I miss something?
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He's real and is the oldest and possibly first reaper according to the codex.
 
Hellsing321 said:
An indoctrination ending would piss me off more because it means they shipped an incomplete game. If there is an ending DLC and even if its free I would still be majorly pissed off because it means Bioware jerked me around made me wait god knows how long to see the actual ending. Its like the ending to The Devil Inside which was also universally panned when they just put a URL up at the end and told you to go watch more footage at the site.
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Bioware's troll level: incorporated.
 
I completed it around 30 minutes ago.

I'm actually shocked by what I've just witnessed.

None of it mattered. And the people trying to excuse BioWare with the theory of Indoctrination are just looking for something that isn't there.

Future DLC would have to be massive in order to fix this mess, and I mean massive.
 
MrBig said:
I shut off my xbox in disgust when I saw the credits roll. I knew they had to cut the end of the game because they had to ship but I did not expect it to be so abrupty over and require you to buy the rest of it (The Storm was the last bit stemming from the Halo 2 arc.) I'm not arguing that Halo 3 wasn't a full game by itself, but that Halo 2 was not finished in its shipping state, and you could not finish that specific arc without paying for more content.
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This is a pretty big false equivalence you've got here.
 
Omzz said:
ok well I got a question, did Harbinger even exist? I thought Harbinger was this evil dude who controlled the reapers, but then the catalyst said i control them.

Was Harbinger just another made up thing by the catalyst, or did I miss something?
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Harbinger tried to kill you with the beams. I remember reading the VA wasn't available but I find that hard to believe >.>
 
Lifejumper said:
Thought this was interesting
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Thanks. That is pretty interesting.

I believe the indoctrination theory is true, but at the same time that pisses me off because that would mean your ending choices boil down to submitting to the Reapers, or taking a nap. We either won't ever get a real ending, or will have to pay for it.

It's a shame, because by adding a few details, the current ending could have been pretty creative and provided closure to the series, while taking our war assets into consideration.
 
ChimpanzeeThat said:
I completed it around 30 minutes ago.

I'm actually shocked by what I've just witnessed.

None of it mattered. And the people trying to excuse BioWare with the theory of Indoctrination are just looking for something that isn't there.

Future DLC would have to be massive in order to fix this mess, and I mean massive.
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Not trying to excuse them. If it's true they suck ten times harder, if it's not they're just idiots.
 
Hellsing321 said:
An indoctrination ending would piss me off more because it means they shipped an incomplete game. If there is an ending DLC and even if its free I would still be majorly pissed off because it means Bioware jerked me around made me wait god knows how long to see the actual ending. Its like the ending to The Devil Inside which was also universally panned when they just put a URL up at the end and told you to go watch more footage at the site.
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Yeah it would be terrible. Finish the game, then weeks later maybe you get to actually finish the game. The possibility of this is the only reason I'm still hanging on to my copy, and I wonder if that was part of the plan all along...
 
Empty Space said:
He's real and is the oldest and possibly first reaper according to the codex.
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Reason I asked this was cause in the end of ME2, you see Harbinger playing a role, but then suddenly he's missing here? Like he is THE bad guy of that game.

I thought there would be some confrontation with Harbinger in the last mission but he's missing? Unless he didn't bother assuming direct control and I took him down with the missiles and I didn't even know about it.
 
JerkShep said:
Ok but...why exactly the Reapers would show him that his friends are stranded on a no-name jungle planet?
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Help sell him on his delusion. Its always consistent with the choice you make but its to good to be true, thats when he wakes up. The choices were all ways to get him to do what the reapers wanted. Its a trick, "just go along with us its the only way", he doesn't so he wakes up.
 
sdornan said:
Has anyone seen this yet?

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/I-believe-in-quotThe-Truthquot-DLC-actual-ending-Do-you-9934885-1.html
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Posted early this morning by Metroidvania I think. I'm pretty sure it's neat, but fanciful bullshit. Each class in multiplayer has one more spot for a race the exception being the soldier who has BF3 guy taking up the slot. Second whenever things like that have any validity the almost always get pulled from the official forums this has not.
 
If we're going with fanfiction endings, then my ending is that Shepard and Anderson die on the Citadel and we are left to wonder whether or not the Reapers were stopped.

I'd much rather remove the last 10 minutes of the game than invent an "it's all a dream" retcon.
 
Omzz said:
Reason I asked this was cause in the end of ME2, you see Harbinger playing a role, but then suddenly he's missing here? Like he is THE bad guy of that game.

I thought there would be some confrontation with Harbinger in the last mission but he's missing? Unless he didn't bother assuming direct control and I took him down with the missiles and I didn't even know about it.
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It's not like there's a whole lot of actual plot progression in ME2 anyway.
 
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