Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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SerArthurDayne
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I have to say, the dark energy ending doesn't make sense either, at least my understanding of it.
Reapers leave the relays to guide civilization, sure. But it is the very use of the relays, and how they provide massive leaps to tech that cause the dark energy build ups or whatever to become too high after 50,000 years.
What is the counter? Too unpredictable how they will develop without them, making it more difficult for the Reapers? It seems like they would never be Or the Reapers might jump back too early, when they aren't ready for harvesting?
This might make sense if the idea was something like- we give you 50,000 years to give it a shot, and if you fail we fuck you up. But they will fuck you up regardless of what you do.
Or do I just misunderstand that plot point based on my limited information?
I prefer asshole reapers who just like soylent green, or need advanced organics for their own reproductive purposes or whatever.
The ending we got- we kill you so we don't kill you. I took that as more of a great, but lesser evil to overcome the overwhelming evil of complete organic destruction.
But that shit certainly doesn't jive with the indoctrination and the mutilation of the organic species they undertake.
Reapers leave the relays to guide civilization, sure. But it is the very use of the relays, and how they provide massive leaps to tech that cause the dark energy build ups or whatever to become too high after 50,000 years.
What is the counter? Too unpredictable how they will develop without them, making it more difficult for the Reapers? It seems like they would never be Or the Reapers might jump back too early, when they aren't ready for harvesting?
This might make sense if the idea was something like- we give you 50,000 years to give it a shot, and if you fail we fuck you up. But they will fuck you up regardless of what you do.
Or do I just misunderstand that plot point based on my limited information?
I prefer asshole reapers who just like soylent green, or need advanced organics for their own reproductive purposes or whatever.
The ending we got- we kill you so we don't kill you. I took that as more of a great, but lesser evil to overcome the overwhelming evil of complete organic destruction.
But that shit certainly doesn't jive with the indoctrination and the mutilation of the organic species they undertake.
Aside from it bothering me that they never explain why they need organics to reproduce or how they use them, isn't that still a synthetic form of life, isn't it? I mean they're synthetic enough that a beam targeted at destroying all forms synthetic life obliterates them but not synthetic enough that they don't follow the same evolutionary path?
And it still doesn't make sense as to why they would harvest species for the sake of preserving them. I mean they go to war and take some losses every 50k years. Eventually some of those "preserved" species as reapers will entirely be wiped out and become extinct right?
Unless each reaper is an amalgamation of ALL the life they've harvested, but that really doesn't make sense since in ME2 they only use a single species for making the reaper baby.
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People called Romanes they go the house?
Part of me wonder why they cut
This out.
Would have proven a more definitive ending to your companions on Earth. Instead, we see them on the Normandy at the jungle world cutscene.
The whole thing is a giant clusterfuck of SPECULATION.
This out.
Would have proven a more definitive ending to your companions on Earth. Instead, we see them on the Normandy at the jungle world cutscene.
The whole thing is a giant clusterfuck of SPECULATION.
SpectreFire
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The battle itself and the War Asset gameplay element was the most disappointing part of the game for me. I went around building all these alliances, collecting all these races and War Assets, thinking they'll play into the final battle with their own unique cutscene and effect on the endgame itself.
I thought I'd see Geth drop down from the sky to support Marines under fire.
I thought I'd see the Quarian Liveships all fire their massive Thanix cannons against a Reaper, destroying it.
I thought I'd see the Rachni queen and her children rain down from the sky, pouncing on Reaper ground forces.
I thought that Volous bombing fleet or Cereberus fighters would swoop in and do bombing runs in support of Hammer units.
I thought I'd see my squadmates, old and new, leading charges against Reaper forces, or coming at the 11th hour to pull my ass out of the fire.
I thought I'd see a lot of things come out of my allies and I thought everything I did would give Hammer a much better chance to succeed. Instead, they get slaughtered completely regardless of what I do. What was the point of getting the Rachni or Geth involved if they don't show up at all in the final battle? Why was it that the only Hammer units I had any sort of contact with during gameplay were all Marines? Was it too much to ask for Rachni or Krogran charge? Was it too much to ask for that platoon of Geth Prime to back me up? I guess it was.
Because I saw none of it.
I thought I'd see Geth drop down from the sky to support Marines under fire.
I thought I'd see the Quarian Liveships all fire their massive Thanix cannons against a Reaper, destroying it.
I thought I'd see the Rachni queen and her children rain down from the sky, pouncing on Reaper ground forces.
I thought that Volous bombing fleet or Cereberus fighters would swoop in and do bombing runs in support of Hammer units.
I thought I'd see my squadmates, old and new, leading charges against Reaper forces, or coming at the 11th hour to pull my ass out of the fire.
I thought I'd see a lot of things come out of my allies and I thought everything I did would give Hammer a much better chance to succeed. Instead, they get slaughtered completely regardless of what I do. What was the point of getting the Rachni or Geth involved if they don't show up at all in the final battle? Why was it that the only Hammer units I had any sort of contact with during gameplay were all Marines? Was it too much to ask for Rachni or Krogran charge? Was it too much to ask for that platoon of Geth Prime to back me up? I guess it was.
Because I saw none of it.
I suppose I'm getting some perverse pleasure out of watching this unfold, even though I'm actually okay with the ending as it stands.
That said, it's a shame that this is overshadowing the achievement of what is otherwise the strongest installment in the trilogy.
If they expand on it, I doubt they could release it for free. Wouldn't that be grounds for a class action lawsuit from fans? Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, I don't know.
@BigJiantRobut:
To summarize (sorry if it's too long):
To summarize (sorry if it's too long):
[Images from the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3:]
Good job Walters and co *groan*.
Here it is, along with a series of other images gathered from this thread.
https://minus.com/mbxm0TCIq#1g
Not sure if this had been posted, made me laugh though, saw on Reddit.
"I discovered a way to unlock new endings in ME3!"
Looks like someone is having fun.
Man, those image just keep on giving.
Several members who just completed the game (either now or yesterday - myself included) felt the same way.
Unfortunately, once you start to think about it a little more - the lack of choice consequences, why joker and all your crew are on the normandy flying away from earth, considering all the backstory established in the two previous games, the purpose of the reapers, etc - you will realize where the hate comes from.
Enjoy your happiness, because it won't last
UnluckyKate
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Quick question : if you didn't let the rachni queen escape in ME1, do you have the grunt mission ?
Psychoward
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Yeah, you get some random Rachni the reapers made instead.
Oh. My. God.
At this point I think I'm almost okay with the shitshow of an ending, I think the delicious drama and rage from the community and the incompetence from Bioware is actually making up for it.
You can still see them dead on the ground if your EMS is low; the sequence in the planet doesn't show them getting out.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Man, those image just keep on giving.
I'm glad I came back into this thread. Enough time has gone by, now I just laugh.
Just tweeted
"We hear you guys like good endings. Noted for future releases."
Pollux
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Yea, the Reapers get another Rachni queen so what you did in 1 is meaningless.
What if some kids offs himself over at BSN because of the ending? LET THE SPECULATION BEGIN!
FunkyPajamas
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True. No matter what Bioware did, the ending sequence was going to be missed potential. So much was kicked up with only a small fraction of landing space available.
I think this will all come down to the calculation I've been saying that they're making right now. Whether it's cost-effective and feasible to create a new DLC ending.
If it's possible, they'll apologize and announce the DLC.
If it's not, they'll go for artistic defense.
Damn
Escape Goat
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BWAAAAAAAAAMMMM!
Yes, it's just 'The reapers bred them from DNA or something.'
If you go this route, the Rachni queen will not stay loyal to you and it negatively affects your war assets though. The only way to have the rachni and grunt's team add up on your war assets is to keep the original alive in ME1.
Of course, the importance of that is undermined by this retarded ending
Huh, that was my original guess for everything while I playing ME2; I guess I got it wrong in that I thought organic life in numbers somehow accelerated the dark energy, but still, pretty close.
Psychoward
Banned
It's like a political TV drama.
Chances are that they'll try as much as possible to assuage the fans for as little money as possible.
It's ridicolous, because the message you get when at 100% military readiness implies that your armies are doing really well against the Reapers, pretty much winning. And then on Earth, the majority of the galaxy's military forces if you've done things right fucks up against hordes of husks and cannibals.
Psychoward
Banned
cerberus HQ needed a new power generator
Wow, what shit is that.
The Tali photograph is probably one of the lamest things I've ever seen.
I laughed out loud when I saw it was just a photograph in the game. I had been spoiled on the stock photo thing and thought people meant they had simply used some random one as a likeness for her face. I didn't think it would be LITERALLY a picture in a frame that you get. One of the biggest mysteries in the series and that's the best they could do?
Also I think it's clear that the ending was rushed in some sense. You could tell that from your final "talks" with some of your people - they just appear as a hologram projection and you talk to them for a few seconds. Resource-wise it's much quicker and easier to do something like that then have more meaningful final interactions with them.
I laughed out loud when I saw it was just a photograph in the game. I had been spoiled on the stock photo thing and thought people meant they had simply used some random one as a likeness for her face. I didn't think it would be LITERALLY a picture in a frame that you get. One of the biggest mysteries in the series and that's the best they could do?
Also I think it's clear that the ending was rushed in some sense. You could tell that from your final "talks" with some of your people - they just appear as a hologram projection and you talk to them for a few seconds. Resource-wise it's much quicker and easier to do something like that then have more meaningful final interactions with them.
LumpOfCole
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It might be time to do a new rage comic.
Mass Effect: Speculation
Do rage comics of every major story in Mass Effect 3 and end all the arcs the way Mass Effect 3's main story arc ended.
Mass Effect: Speculation
Do rage comics of every major story in Mass Effect 3 and end all the arcs the way Mass Effect 3's main story arc ended.
They could just do what most people who finish the game seem to want--cut the starchild, add a montage at the end of your squadmates. It'd be the most cost effective solution.
I think a comic would be really great for The SPECULATION Continues |OT2|
Psychoward
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To archive human DNA for whatever reason to preserve it for the future.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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This entire mess almost makes up for the incredibly shitty ending.
I have no issue with them invoking artistic integrity to "hold the line" against an ending retcon.
However, as I've said before, the finale of a mult-million dollar space opera that has millions of rabid, passionate fans with somewhat high expectations is probably NOT the best time to suddenly go "post-modern ambiguity" with your narrative conclusion.
However, as I've said before, the finale of a mult-million dollar space opera that has millions of rabid, passionate fans with somewhat high expectations is probably NOT the best time to suddenly go "post-modern ambiguity" with your narrative conclusion.
No thanks, we're mad enough right now.
UnluckyKate
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I felt like the third game never listen to you. Geth / Quarian conflict ? Whatever you do they go to war. Rachni ? They appear anyway. Geneophage cure ? It appears even if you destroyed it
Psychoward
Banned
No, fans of ME3 have donated over 50k in protest of the current endings.
Please bring up the way Kai Leng really fucks up every single task he has in the game.
SerArthurDayne
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I think the Human Reaper is just their form of reproduction. Obviously that came about after the writing was changed, though, so it is quite possible there was no human reaper with the dark energy stuff.
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