Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Marauder Shields is one of the best video game memes to ever exist. I've never felt so happy before. It almost makes the ending worthwhile.
 
Replicant said:
Because they are no longer who they were. That's something Bioware didn't get. Our individuality as organic species IS NOT preserved whatsoever in Reaper form. Our fleshy, easily injured body, our contradictory mind, and our ability to love and hate are no longer there. Whatever identity they used to have is no longer there. It's like an empty shell ready to be controlled by the Reapers anytime ("Assuming direct control, etc, etc"). I'd say it's more like mercy killing to eliminate these 'creatures'.
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idk, Javik seems to have some weird power which Reapers might be able to use to harness the essence of humanity.
 
Replicant said:
They're doing this every 50K years. At this rate, it'd be God knows when that this vague 'event' will happen. Which is why I question Shepard's sanity for not even questioning this at all.

ME2 via EDI pretty much confirmed that the Collector's DNA while sharing some similarity to the Protheans, is still quite different. Maybe the Reaper can subtract what was added into the DNA of the original species but even then, there's no guarantee that if they were to 'restore' these species in the future (assuming they're not lying in the first place) that they'd obtain similar result as the original version.

I fail to see why this is a problem. Because if one puts enough variety in the controlled habitat, eventually through process of cross-breeding, genetic variation will be achieved. Actually, genetic variation does not even require intervention because sometimes it just appears as part of the evolution process.
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Yes the event that's supposed to change the cycle is vague. Not much to do about it.

The collectors is not necessarily what will happen after the cycle is broken. Probably not as the reapers are still doing the cycle and preserving civilizations. But yes there is no guarantee that the information will be used after the cycles are broken but that would be illogical, why preserve it at all if that was the case. Preserving seems to be a last resort to get something left from each cycle.

And you're pretty much wrong about the controlled habitat. It is extremely hard to preserve genetic variation, especially on a big scale. Populations in controlled habitats tend to drift towards a more homozygous-dominant genetic makeup which means that genetic information is lost. One of the biggest problems facing conservation biology today. To theorycraft one would suspect that the only way to preserve the information from big galactic spanning civilizations would be not to do anything to them. But that's not an option according to the catalysts explanation. (If you really want to complicate things the dilemma is often how much variation is needed to actually preserve a species, are 100% needed or would 40% be ok as long as it doesn't have a negative effect on the species ability to survive)

But this is probably getting way offtopic. I don't think Bioware even thought about biological theories when talking about preserving a species or if those theories are even valid in the scifi world of Mass Effect. But for me personally(la la la speculation) it's interesting to think about.
 
EatChildren said:
So we have four potential endings we could have had;

1) Super duper everything is hunky doory ending. Final battle on Earth has Quarian armadas laying down fire from the skies to clear the frontlines, dropping in allied Geth units to clean up stragglers, meanwhile Turian warships bring in armies of Krogan soldiers to watch your back. Volus, Hanar and Elcor warships show up to do what they can. Your allies and friends from the last two games lead assaults on various fronts. It's the culmination of all your effort to unite the species of the galaxy and forge alliances, in unison fighting until the bitter end to take down the Reapers. Shepard and Anderson confront TIM on the Citadel and in struggling from wounds caused by Harbinger activate the Crucible, sending out the Reaper killing shock wave across Earth, using the Relays (intact) as peer-to-peer signal amplifiers to purge the galaxy. The Citadel plummets to Earth. Nobody suspects you to have survived yet, from smouldering ruins they find you. Alive, barely, but alive. Your faithful buddies carry your broken body from the ashes, fade to black. Time to heal, rejuvenated, and the galaxy celebrates their moment of absolute triumph. Brief cuts to each homeworld show the state of things as you left them; the Asari grieving their lost homeworld, the Turians rebuilding, the Geth and/or Quarians revitalising Rannoch, and the Krogan empire triumphing or perishing. You alive, your friends alive, the future restored: but still plenty of mystery as to what will happen next.

2) Middle ground. Shaky alliances and a few poor choices cause heavy causalities. Some good friends die, but there's not much you can do. Warships drop from the sky. Species are bought to the brink of annihilation. Not everybody will recover. Yet, you prevail, but at a cost. Shepard's activation of the Crucible is something he/she cannot survive, and his/her body is lost as the Citadel plummets through the atmosphere. Earth is devastated, The universe is building. But people will rebuild. Wounds will heal, in time. The species gather to salute and say fair well to the fallen hero who was the key to ending the Reaper threat, then return to the homes to clean up the rubble, bury their dead, and begin their new lives.

3) Failure. Failed alliances. Enemies at every turn. Dead friends because you're a stupid dumb idiot. Nobody works together, the armada isn't strong enough, and the ground forces are completely decimated. Shepard fails to activate the Crucible as the Reapers break through Alliance warships, ripping it to shreds. It is lost. Everybody tries to flee. Most are caught and destroyed. Some escape, though are doomed to be hunted down, as the galaxy is drenched in an organic harvest. Worlds burn, and it ends. Credits roll. Post-credits sequence of an unidentifiable ship landing on a strange world. A mysterious alien species, unlike anything you've seen before, exists the ship. Digging through the dirt, they unearth a strange black box. Suddenly it lights up, a holographic image of Shepard appears, and Liara's voice can be heard, issuing a warning of things to come. End.

4) EDI, Tali, Liara and all the sexy alien babes have sexy time and it's really cool.
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Hnnnghhhh
 
Marauder Shields was a noble soul trying to protect us from the ending. The true renegade action we all performed was gunning down this poor man.
 
just beat it.

i don't think it's the most horrible ending ever (yet). i think when mass effect 2 decided to not care about the main story, i did too. despite how hokey it could be, i really enjoyed me2.

i also thought some of the cinematic elements of me3 were misplaced. i don't remember stuff like running through the trees-dream in me1. it kinda screams, 'hey arkham asylum did it maybe we can do it.' i did like some of the stuff like the battle on rannoch and the final run to the citadel beam, but overall it felt like the game grabbed the meh-est parts of 1 and 2 and combined them.

the one thing it definitely needed was payoff for your decisions. that was some big oversight. i mean, that was kinda the whole point of this trilogy.
 
jakershaker said:
And you're pretty much wrong about the controlled habitat. It is extremely hard to preserve genetic variation, especially on a big scale. Populations in controlled habitats tend to drift towards a more homozygous-dominant genetic makeup which means that genetic information is lost.
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I'd say it's possible and depends on the kind of habitat created and what kind of genetic variation we're talking about. Whether there are enough variations not only in the species but also in scope of the habitat, climate and other influences. But the caveat is that creating such 'perfect' habitat that encourage genetic variation is difficult and very costly. If we're talking about gated community then yeah, I see your point.

But this is probably getting way offtopic. I don't think Bioware even thought about biological theories when talking about preserving a species or if those theories are even valid in the scifi world of Mass Effect. But for me personally(la la la speculation) it's interesting to think about.
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They probably just think it's "ironic and cool" that Reapers kill organics to save organics. *vomits*
 
Thinking about the ending; did anyone else get a Deus Ex vibe from it? With Kei Lang and the whole "this is not the edge of the world but you can see it from here" talking to you get from the catalyst.
 
Kurtofan said:
I really hope this ending doesn't jeopardize the future of the series...
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If it impacts the sales of DLC, it might :(

Then again it may just result in the lead writer being bumped to another project/given more supervision/demoted. Given the almost universal hatred for the ending of an otherwise beloved series I don't see how there can't be consequences of some sort.

I'm going to buy every bit of DLC (except multiplayer shite). I want there to be more Mass Effect.
 
Minion101 said:
That was still creepy.
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It was totally fucked up. I'm not an indoctrination theorist and I was left saying, "No-No-No-NO-NO-NOOO!" I'm glad it's over.

Indoctrinationists are jerks. :/

finowns said:
Thinking about the ending; did anyone else get a Deus Ex vibe from it? With Kei Lang and the whole "this is not the edge of the world but you can see it from here" talking to you get from the catalyst.
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The three options as well.

Kurtofan said:
I really hope this ending doesn't jeopardize the future of the series...
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The series is at a crossroads, but it will manage to keep on going.
 
Penny arcade fanfic is the best yet!

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Replicant said:
They probably just think it's "ironic and cool" that Reapers kill organics to save organics. *vomits*
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It is a fine concept, as long as the reason isn't "so that synthetics like the Reapers can't kill organics". If they wanted to control the amount of dark energy / mass effect technology was being used for the sake of the other life and the overall universe it is not too crazy.

Rodney McKay said:
Penny arcade fanfic is the best yet!

http://penny-arcade.smugmug.com/photos/i-dfFJj7N/0/L/i-dfFJj7N-X2.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Kuchera approved.
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Rodney McKay said:
Penny arcade fanfic is the best yet!

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The funny part is no one was angry that Shepard died. People wanted a happy ending, sure, but that's not why people are angry at all.

Not that Gabe/Tycho are invested enough to really see the flaws, or recognize why people are actually angry.
 
dragonelite said:
What futures?
Or is that something we can all speculate on?
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There's going to be more games, the games are popular, they sell well and are critically well received.If DA2 gets a sequel, there's no way the ME series ends here.
I mean I don't think the ending is going to be a dealbreaker for most people.
 
Zen said:
The funny part is no one was angry that Shepard died. People wanted a happy ending, sure, but that's not why people are angry at all.

Not that Gabe/Tycho are invested enough to really see the flaws, or recognize why people are actually angry.
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Yeah, I think tycho even wrote a thing about how everyone should stop bitching because their not the ones who made the game.
 
Kurtofan said:
I really hope this ending doesn't jeopardize the future of the series...
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hateradio said:
It was totally fucked up. I'm not an indoctrination theorist and I was left saying, "No-No-No-NO-NO-NOOO!" I'm glad it's over.


The three options as well.


The series is at a crossroads, but it will manage to keep on going.
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The Final Hours apps has a few notes mentioning the idea for a galactic dark age of sorts, but that's about as far as it goes the words galactic dark age and ending.
 
Rodney McKay said:
Penny arcade fanfic is the best yet!

http://penny-arcade.smugmug.com/photos/i-dfFJj7N/0/L/i-dfFJj7N-X2.jpg
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Well, it doesn't mention indoctrination so it automatically makes it better than most.

Empty Space said:
The Final Hours apps has a few notes mentioning the idea for a galactic dark age of sorts, but that's about as far as it goes the words galactic dark age and ending.
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I wouldn't mind a dark age at all.

Kurtofan said:
There's going to be more games, the games are popular, they sell well and are critically well received.If DA2 gets a sequel, there's no way the ME series ends here.
I mean I don't think the ending is going to be a dealbreaker for most people.
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DA was a planned trillogy, so it's not a sequel to DA2 . . . unless I'm mistaken. That would suck. What they said last about DA3 seemed slightly interesting. :|
 
Kurtofan said:
There's going to be more games, the games are popular, they sell well and are critically well received.If DA2 gets a sequel, there's no way the ME series ends here.
I mean I don't think the ending is going to be a dealbreaker for most people.
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They are going to have to jump through freaking hoops, or actually go with the indoctrination dream, to feasibly make a sequel that takes place after.
 
Zen said:
The funny part is no one was angry that Shepard died. People wanted a happy ending, sure, but that's not why people are angry at all.

Not that Gabe/Tycho are invested enough to really see the flaws, or recognize why people are actually angry.
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Yeah, I think they just assume "LOL spoiled fans are angry" without actually understanding why the fans are angry. It's not about happy ending because many have pointed out that both Mordin and Thane's death were considered some of the best moments in the game. It's the clusterfuck nature of the ending that everyone objected to.
 
Empty Space said:
The Final Hours apps has a few notes mentioning the idea for a galactic dark age of sorts, but that's about as far as it goes the words galactic dark age and ending.
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That could be cool.A few Hundreds of year from now, human scientists manage to reinvent FTL travel thanks to the study of the broken Mass Relay and a ship is sent to recontact all the other species.You're the commander of that ship(maybe a descendant of Shepard) and get a new team of aliens/humans to explore the galaxy.

Or they could do games set in the past, or parallel to Shepard's adventure.

Zen said:
They are going to have to jump through freaking hoops, or actually go with the indoctrination dream, to feasibly make a sequel that takes place after.
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Well, they could just go with the Control ending, since it changes the Galaxy the least and they could retcon a few things.
 
Replicant said:
Yeah, I think they just assume "LOL spoiled fans are angry" without actually understanding why the fans are angry. It's not about happy ending because many have pointed out that both Mordin and Thane's death were considered some of the best moments in the game. It's the clusterfuck nature of the ending that everyone objected to.
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I read Gabe's post he seems to see why people don't like, but doesn't understand if that makes sense. He seems like the kind of guy who just takes things at face value and leaves it at that. He doesn't ask himself question like why the hell did Joker leave when he did. Tycho's post is less clear on his opinions on the ending.
 
What sort of bothers me is that people are looking down on the fanboy/girls enthusiasm for the series (what makes them "spoiled") despite the fact this is what BioWare was manipulating from the start. They went out of their way to build an extremely vocal loyal fan-base to which they pandered to and so on. It is only a problem now because it isn't a positive thing for them? You reap what you sow I say.
 
Kurtofan said:
That could be cool.A few Hundreds of year from now, human scientists manage to reinvent FTL travel thanks to the study of the broken Mass Relay and a ship is sent to recontact all the other species.You're the commander of that ship(maybe a descendant of Shepard) and get a new team of aliens/humans to explore the galaxy.
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And we're back where we started (isn't that what the Asari did?). Oh well, I just hope I can use the same face code that I'm using for my Shepard. I don't feel like creating another new character when he/she will just turn into another R/G/B explosion.
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
There's a new final hours?
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It's home of the new thread title.

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Riposte said:
What sort of bothers me is that people are looking on the fanboy/girls enthusiasm for the series (what makes them "spoiled") despite the fact this is what BioWare was manipulating. They went out of their way to build an extremely loyal fan-base to which they pandered to and so on. It is only a problem now because it isn't a positive thing for them? You reap what you sow I say.
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"Reapers."

I'm pretty sure they'll see what happens with DA3. Only time will tell.
 
Zen said:
Unless they reveal that the this video is in fact correct, what future is there for the series? The death knell of a prequel story?

http://youtu.be/Tbghjn7_Byc?hd=1
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I said it a little earlier, but to anyone familiar with Warcraft lore, it's possible the Shepard trilogy is Mass Effect's War of the Ancients. Meaning future games would take place over a pretty big timeskip, like in the stargazer scene at the end. What irks me there is that if people survived they still have their own FTL technology and whatever, yet the kid talks like space travel hasn't been discovered yet.

It really seems like a big mess right now. feels bad man.
 
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