lol. I was all for a "destroy the Reapers!!11!" ending, till the Catalyst showed what everything was about.
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lol. I was all for a "destroy the Reapers!!11!" ending, till the Catalyst showed what everything was about.
bigace33
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Garrus actually came a long way since ME1. He was decent, but I think Wrex was a much better character in ME1, then his whole Arch angel stint in ME2 made him much more interesting and I ended up using him more, in ME3 his dialog is just so great. He really is much more fleshed out. I honestly thought Thane was kind of a lame character and never really used him. If it wasn't for Jacob I would say Thane would be the worst, and maybe Mordin would be the best from ME2. ME3 is definitely all about Liara, Garrus, and Javik.
EmCeeGramr
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...a bunch of bullshit that you couldn't call it out on?
You mean a bunch of synthetics who come to kill organics so that the organics can't be killed by any synthetics they create?
1. Garrus
2. Garrus
3. Garrus
4. Garrus
5. Legion
Garrus
Ok in all seriousness
1. Garrus
2. Legion
3. Liara
4. Javik
5. Mordin
Kill the reapers, send everyone back to the dark ages, and just wait till the synthetics conquer everyone? I'd rather create a new "evolved" civilization, problem solved.
EmCeeGramr
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There is no problem. You proved that his cycle was bullshit throughout the series.
WrenchNinja
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So you believed his bullshit. Lol.
Banana Kid
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1. Legion
2. Wrex
3. Ashley
4. Garrus
5. EDI
If letting Tali die would have given me Legion as a party member, I would have done it. No hesitation.
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Disheveled_Zen
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The biggest thing for me in my decision to continue on with the ME series will be how Bioware decides to handle this whole debacle. Will they swallow their pride/ego complex and treat their "devoted" fans how they should be, or will they simply PR their way along and use quotes from the Journal to somehow make me change my mind on the game I just played really is.
Funny that they call us "devoted fans" like its a bad thing, I guess the people who have spent hundreds of dollars on the games/dlc/novels/comics don't matter as much as the mighty Wall Street Journal, who in 20 years of gaming I have never looked at once for anything revolving around gaming.
I'm fine with artistic vision, and I was fine with Shep biting the bullet. I was sad when I said my last goodbye to Tali, and I reserved myself to the fact that this is it, never again will I hear that Russian accent again.
The charge on the beam was quite epic, and my girlfriend actually came over and watched me push towards the ending even though she has never been truly interested in the series, she was really interested to see how it ended.
The scene where Shep crawls next to Anderson, I actually put my controller down and thought, "this is it, the crucible will fire and Shep will get to watch in triumph, hopefully with a smile as the reapers are destroyed before he ultimately succumbs to the fact that I just got my face melted in."
Then when I was lifted up in the elevator, I was excited there would be more, the final control room and perhaps the final conversation with Harbinger, I would finally get to laugh in his face as I pushed the button that would end his ancient existence, and maybe, just maybe have one final goodbye to all the people I had met along the way.
NOPE, enter kid who looks like my nephew, get three ultimatums that I don't even bother to question after hundreds of hours of finding other ways to complete my objectives and solve century old dilemmas. "Will that stop the reapers? OK!" Seriously?
Then lets give you a few second video that explains nothing, and oh wait, Shep isn't dead, hes sitting in a pile of stone when the Citadel isn't made of stone?
Nothing like having an epiphany about a games ending in the middle of taking a piss after a six hour gaming session that was devoted to making sure everything was in place before I reached the ending.
If you want to do some sort of deep meaningful ending, that's fine, go write a book. Don't impost the ending YOU want on your fans, especially when the ending goes against everything we have done for hundreds of hours.
If the DLC has nothing to do with the ending, then whats the point? Oh cool we can liberate Omega, which will either A. Explode when the relay sitting right next to it goes super nova, or B. Have everyone on it resort to anarchy and cannibalism when supplies stop coming in due to the chaos, panic and limited transportation that everyone will now have to face.
Multiplayer DLC? I got my readiness to 100% through mp thinking I would see all those people I had gotten stuff for show up in the final battle and have it mean something. What's the point of mp after you beat it?
Maybe now we can have Felicia Day DLC and a live action ME show staring her....
Im sad now.
Funny that they call us "devoted fans" like its a bad thing, I guess the people who have spent hundreds of dollars on the games/dlc/novels/comics don't matter as much as the mighty Wall Street Journal, who in 20 years of gaming I have never looked at once for anything revolving around gaming.
I'm fine with artistic vision, and I was fine with Shep biting the bullet. I was sad when I said my last goodbye to Tali, and I reserved myself to the fact that this is it, never again will I hear that Russian accent again.
The charge on the beam was quite epic, and my girlfriend actually came over and watched me push towards the ending even though she has never been truly interested in the series, she was really interested to see how it ended.
The scene where Shep crawls next to Anderson, I actually put my controller down and thought, "this is it, the crucible will fire and Shep will get to watch in triumph, hopefully with a smile as the reapers are destroyed before he ultimately succumbs to the fact that I just got my face melted in."
Then when I was lifted up in the elevator, I was excited there would be more, the final control room and perhaps the final conversation with Harbinger, I would finally get to laugh in his face as I pushed the button that would end his ancient existence, and maybe, just maybe have one final goodbye to all the people I had met along the way.
NOPE, enter kid who looks like my nephew, get three ultimatums that I don't even bother to question after hundreds of hours of finding other ways to complete my objectives and solve century old dilemmas. "Will that stop the reapers? OK!" Seriously?
Then lets give you a few second video that explains nothing, and oh wait, Shep isn't dead, hes sitting in a pile of stone when the Citadel isn't made of stone?
Nothing like having an epiphany about a games ending in the middle of taking a piss after a six hour gaming session that was devoted to making sure everything was in place before I reached the ending.
If you want to do some sort of deep meaningful ending, that's fine, go write a book. Don't impost the ending YOU want on your fans, especially when the ending goes against everything we have done for hundreds of hours.
If the DLC has nothing to do with the ending, then whats the point? Oh cool we can liberate Omega, which will either A. Explode when the relay sitting right next to it goes super nova, or B. Have everyone on it resort to anarchy and cannibalism when supplies stop coming in due to the chaos, panic and limited transportation that everyone will now have to face.
Multiplayer DLC? I got my readiness to 100% through mp thinking I would see all those people I had gotten stuff for show up in the final battle and have it mean something. What's the point of mp after you beat it?
Maybe now we can have Felicia Day DLC and a live action ME show staring her....
Im sad now.
Empty Space
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This list wins everybody else can stop.
Only because no other civilization could prove that it was bullshit. Shepard's doings that proved that the organics can fight back and change things. Maybe it was impossible before this cycle, because the Crucible was built based on cycles and cycles of studies.
It´s only the Right ending if the indoctrination Theory would be true, the only way to not get indoctrinated.
Studies where he influenced the outcome by aiding in the sending of thousands of killer machines who scourge all advanced life in the galaxy for no discernible reason, sure. They're all fucking retarded.
Javik over Mordin? I dunno about that. The writing for both is really good but Mordin's character progression from early ME2 til his sacrifice in ME3 is really good.
Shake Appeal
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1. Legion
2. Thane
3. Miranda
4. Garrus
5. Wrex
2. Thane
3. Miranda
4. Garrus
5. Wrex
EmCeeGramr
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I find it really hard to believe that over the hundreds of millions of years, it's only this one cycle (that coincidentally completes the Crucible) that proves "synthetics will always try to wipe out all organics in the galaxy" is false.
Especially since the Reapers themselves are synthetic yet they've kept to the whole "prune the galaxy" idea for nearly a billion years without ever falling into this doomsday scenario that is the whole point of their actions. If it's so inevitable, why haven't the ones in the best possible position to do it for countless cycles not done it yet?
Besides, Shepard can't even point out why this is stupid.
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bigace33
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Casey Hudson has pretty much debunked that indoctrination theory my friend. The guy has said the ending is what it is, and any future dlc will not change that. Sorry to say, the indoc theory is the creation of zealous BSN and GAF ME fans. Ventkid was real, and the last 3 choices were real.
EatChildren
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1. Jacob
2. Kaiden
3. Jack
4. Miranda
5. Vega
2. Kaiden
3. Jack
4. Miranda
5. Vega
It makes sense: the only way the Catalyst thought it was possible to prevent the deaths of all organics was to wipe their civilizations, so both the synthetics they created and the knowledge of how to create this synthetics would be wiped also, giving the "lesser civilization" an opportunity to flourish.
this cycle proves that "synthetics will always try to wipe out all organics in the galaxy" is false, because they complete the crucible. That means that organics have a shot in wiping out synthetics.
Disheveled_Zen
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So what is their explanation for Shep being alive in a pile of ruble in the destroy ending? The kid said that it would kill me as well if I chose it, and yet there I am taking a gasp of breath. Was he lying or was he wrong? Was Shep not made up of as many synthetic parts as everyone thought?
LightofRohan
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Yeah, I think "devoted fan" is a bad thing, due to us liking their games no matter what. Even if we bitch about it and they think they have us, so why cater to us? The big shocker is when the casuals who don't even know what you use an asari is, start saying their experience was ruined because the ending was dumb. Realistically the devoted fans make up probably 5-10% of sales...
I chose that option because that's what Anderson wanted (hell he gave a whole speech just a few seconds ago before succumbing to a gunshot wound that Shepard inflicted) and because it was the only option that didn't involve Shepard disintegrating (he still got blown up though, funny that the stupid kid didn't mention the fact that you'd go up in a fiery blaze if you destroyed that freaking pipe).
Not you, too.
EmCeeGramr
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But why will synthetics always kill all organics?
If that's true, why hasn't the Catalyst or his own synthetics (the Reapers) done it yet?
Why can't the player poke holes in that logic like that, or use contrary examples (EDI and the geth if you made peace on Rannoch), instead of giving up and accepting it?
You're using what they're doing as some sort of reason for what they're doing. The reasons given in game don't make sense.
The biggest problem with the Catalyst's silly opinion on synthetics and organics is that his existence disproves his own point. You'd think he would have considered that.
Imagine if you could trip him with the power of logic and he destroys himself.
You should have been able to do that. Seriously. It wouldn't be the first time in an RPG (hehe) that you could basically show the final boss just how idiotic he is through dialogue and pretty much end the game by shaming him.
Disheveled_Zen
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1. Tali
2. Tali
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. Tali
Tali felt like she was the one character that developed extremely far during the series. Going from a scared teenager on her pilgrimage in me1 to an admiral with her own fleet in me3 was pretty damn cool. Also her drunk scene was priceless.
Sniper scene with Garrus was also one of my favorite in the series. You can feel an awesome relationship between Garrus and Shep, especially if you look back at the Contact Wars it really shows how far everyone has come.
2. Tali
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. Tali
Tali felt like she was the one character that developed extremely far during the series. Going from a scared teenager on her pilgrimage in me1 to an admiral with her own fleet in me3 was pretty damn cool. Also her drunk scene was priceless.
Sniper scene with Garrus was also one of my favorite in the series. You can feel an awesome relationship between Garrus and Shep, especially if you look back at the Contact Wars it really shows how far everyone has come.
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1. Garrus/Liara
2. Mordin/Wrex
3. Legion/Thane
4. Javik
5. EDI :O
bigace33
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I honestly don't know. I think the ending poses more questions than answers, but Casey told IGN that any new dlc will not be connected with the end game. Maybe he changes his mind at a later date, but that is straight from his own mouth.
Just see the Geth <-> Quarrian fights. In some point, synthetics will develop a consciousnesses and, from that point, they won't allow themselves to be just "organic slaves", and the organics won't accept that change of behavior as well. The chances of synthetics winning will always be higher, so the Catalyst did this thinking it was the only way to prevent the end of the organics. The Reapers aren't just the Catalyst synthetics, they're rulers, god like entities. They're are there to prevent destruction., not just to destroy.
They do this by destroying organics though, which invalidates their claims at preserving organization.
BuckRobotron
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On whim, but 1 and 2 definite:
1. Tali
2. Wrex
3. Jack
4. Liara
5. Mordin
Would have preferred Wrex full party-member in 3 then the Shep/Tali/Wrex Shotgun Squad reunion would be complete
1. Tali
2. Wrex
3. Jack
4. Liara
5. Mordin
Would have preferred Wrex full party-member in 3 then the Shep/Tali/Wrex Shotgun Squad reunion would be complete
Speaking of that, I hated how you couldn't do that in Fallout 2.Fucking Frank Horrigan.
WrenchNinja
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Ignoring the fact that the Geth wanted peaceful coexistence and the Quarians were assholes.
EmCeeGramr
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Right. The geth quarian fights.
Where you can end the violence and the two make peace.
Something you can't point out to the omniscient AI who apparently thinks that the opposite is inevitable.
We've been discussing this for over a week, we know what he said. It's just completely illogical and goes against the rest of the series.
Think Liara and Garrus are at the top, with Tali following close behind. As characters they developed through all three games and reached a peak that none of the others did. Also, there's a sense of camaraderie between the three of them (shown the most following Thessia) that's not really present elsewhere. Especially in stark contrast to ME2 where everyone was just there because Shep solved their daddy issues.
Legion, Mordin, and Wrex round out the 'great' tiers for me.
After that, characters like Miranda, Jack, and Thane are . . . likable, I guess.
Ashley, Jacob, and Vega are scum.
Legion, Mordin, and Wrex round out the 'great' tiers for me.
After that, characters like Miranda, Jack, and Thane are . . . likable, I guess.
Ashley, Jacob, and Vega are scum.
They don't just destroy organics: they destroy synthetics and all knowledge about them. If all they wanted to do is destroy, why don't they do this to lesser civilizations?
If the organics will always get killed by the synthetics... Why come in and kill the organics in the first place? According to their logic they're going to get killed anyways.
Saying they're "god-like" entities is a cop-out. Its shitty logic and writing.
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