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That wasn't a particularly bad episode, but the characters are just awful. AWFUL!

Example:

Rick's wife tells him Shane is dangerous. Shane leads Rick out to kill him. Rick in self-defence kills Shane.

Rick's wife is now mad at him?

My thinking on this is that Lori subconsciously was still in love with Shane having fallen out of love with Rick before the outbreak even began. She won't admit this to herself but figured she could get the outcome she wanted by goading Rick and Shane into a conflict thinking that Shane would come out on top. So she played up Shane's dangerous nature with Rick and baited Shane with "my baby could be yours" crap in order to push their buttons.

She guessed wrong and is now pissed off. Carl's innocence being taken away is just the icing on the cake. If anything, she'll latch onto that as justification for her being outraged when in reality she just wanted to hop Shane's bones some more with Rick out of the picture.

 

[MeBecomingI]

It IS the worst show that everyone is seemingly enamoured with though and that makes my head explode.

Hmm... it is the best show that everyone (well, NeoGAF at least) is seemingly repulsed by though and that makes my head explode. Well, that was easy to turn that around.

Anyway, I love the show. I'm glad it is doing really, really well. I loved the finale. So much intensity in that episode... which is why I like that this season kind of put the zombies as an accessory; made the finale and all the moments you see them that much more frightening. The big reveal was amazing and my brother squealed in happiness... it was actually quite funny. Anyway, I can't wait for the new season and I would like it to be the fall now. Please.

 

[aku:jiki]

She guessed wrong and is now pissed off. Carl's innocence being taken away is just the icing on the cake. If anything, she'll latch onto that as justification for her being outraged when in reality she just wanted to hop Shane's bones some more with Rick out of the picture.

That's a much smarter theory than what this show has in mind. Kirkman and Mazzara already confirmed on Talking Dead that Lori was "pissed at herself" for "putting Rick and Carl in that situation."

 

[andycapps]

this made me lol

I know i'm in the minority clearly here now, but yes the show was doomed the moment Darabont left and they dropped the budget

shit may as well be Grey's Anatomy with the licensed musical cues and what not.



Well, the halfway finale was decent ...but couldn't make up for 5 episodes of needless meandering and stooopid character drama

You say that the show was doomed when Darabont left, but Darabont helped write all the episodes up until the break. He shaped those. If you have a problem with the story arc in the first part of season 2, you have a problem with Darabont. And I think the show has improved tremendously since Darabont left. The finale of 2 is probably the best episode of either season. If not, it's second only to the premiere.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

That's a much smarter theory than what this show has in mind. Kirkman and Mazzara already confirmed on Talking Dead that Lori was "pissed at herself" for "putting Rick and Carl in that situation."

Seriously?

I had assumed she still felt something for Shane and didn't realise it until then.

It's crazy we're better writers than they are.

 

[Lonestar]

Someone somewhere came up with a "Lori's viewpoint" theory. In that she feels Shane would protect her (and offspring) better if it came to it. It's why she sticks around with him on the road, in the quarry camp, and against once the "sanctuary" of the Farm is ruined (Dale's death by Zombie, was followed by the "apology" scene).

When she's in a relatively safe environment, she falls in line with Rick. At the CDC and during the "safer" time of the Farm.

Still, I don't think there's a rational explanation for how she reacted.

 

[Applesauce]

My thinking on this is that Lori subconsciously was still in love with Shane having fallen out of love with Rick before the outbreak even began. She won't admit this to herself but figured she could get the outcome she wanted by goading Rick and Shane into a conflict thinking that Shane would come out on top. So she played up Shane's dangerous nature with Rick and baited Shane with "my baby could be yours" crap in order to push their buttons.

She guessed wrong and is now pissed off. Carl's innocence being taken away is just the icing on the cake. If anything, she'll latch onto that as justification for her being outraged when in reality she just wanted to hop Shane's bones some more with Rick out of the picture.

The actress who plays Lori suggested that in the behind the scenes video for the finale. After watching the episode again and seeing Rick react to her little breakdown makes me believe he suspects it, too.

 

[Staccat0]

This is one of those shows where, I don't like a lot of things about it, and probably consider it the worst show I like and actively watch, but the reasons other people give for not liking it sometimes embarrass me for being associated.

 

[EvilMario]

Is it bad in the traditional sense? No not at all, it's just incredibly lackluster for everything they COULD have done with it

It IS the worst show that everyone is seemingly enamoured with though and that makes my head explode.

Big Bang Theory is that show for me.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Kirkman already explained that she flipped out at Rick not specifically because she was mad at him, but because she was trying to process everything or some other excuse for her crappy behaviour. She was disgusted in general. Still a bad reaction but yeah.

 

[LiQuid!]

Kirkman already explained that she flipped out at Rick not specifically because she was mad at him, but because she was trying to process everything or some other excuse for her crappy behaviour. She was disgusted in general. Still a bad reaction but yeah.

Wow, Kirkman trying to apologize for it just makes it worse. "Hey guys, just use your imagination! She was having a really bad day. Please watch season 3!"

Big Bang Theory is that show for me.

Most of the people that I know that inexplicably like BBT seems to REALLY love it unapologetically, whereas most of the TWD fans are constantly apologizing for how awful it is.

 

[aku:jiki]

Kirkman already explained that she flipped out at Rick not specifically because she was mad at him, but because she was trying to process everything or some other excuse for her crappy behaviour. She was disgusted in general. Still a bad reaction but yeah.

They said what I posted above on Talking Dead ("she's pissed at herself"), I just watched it half an hour ago. If there's another interview where Kirkman gives another answer, then that's just beyond awful. Make up your minds!

But the "pissed at herself" excuse doesn't gel with the scene either. If you feel like that, you break down in tears or...something. You don't start looking and acting like you're so furious that you're going to turn into the Hulk. Who knows if the failure is with the writers or the actress there.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

They said what I posted above on Talking Dead ("she's pissed at herself"), I just watched it half an hour ago. If there's another interview where Kirkman gives another answer, then that's just beyond awful. Make up your minds!

no I think that's how they've been justifying it, like she is mad at herself, she is mad at the situation, she is mad at what happened overall.

basically any other excuse other than she is mad at the wrong person lol.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

My thinking on this is that Lori subconsciously was still in love with Shane having fallen out of love with Rick before the outbreak even began. She won't admit this to herself but figured she could get the outcome she wanted by goading Rick and Shane into a conflict thinking that Shane would come out on top. So she played up Shane's dangerous nature with Rick and baited Shane with "my baby could be yours" crap in order to push their buttons.

She guessed wrong and is now pissed off. Carl's innocence being taken away is just the icing on the cake. If anything, she'll latch onto that as justification for her being outraged when in reality she just wanted to hop Shane's bones some more with Rick out of the picture.

No that doesn't make sense because Lori told Rick that Shane was dangerous and needed to be dealt with.

Unless she thought rick was a punk and would lose, there's no reason for her to pit them against each other like that. The writers need someone to read over their script because it has sooo many bad/ridiculous character arcs.

 

[AVclub]

Wow, Kirkman trying to apologize for it just makes it worse. "Hey guys, just use your imagination! She was having a really bad day. Please watch season 3!"

You being mad about something you made up in your head, in real life, is worse than a fictional character behaving badly.

In reality, he explained that her reaction was more about her being freaked out about all the stuff she put into motion, going down the way it did. I mean, she wanted Shane to be out of the picture, but to know that he turned into a walker and her kid shot him in the head, would be a lot to process for any parent. So I think the explanation is valid. I don't like her as a character, but her behavior is kind of understandable.

What I didn't like was that the kid shot his dad's best friend, then torched a barnful of zombies, and ran for his life, and he wasn't even breathing heavy. Bad acting on the kid's part maybe, but someone should have made it clear that he can't be taking all this crazy shit in stride the way he did.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Wow. This thread sure got shit up in a hurry.

Keeping fighting that good fight, HatersGAF!

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

What I didn't like was that the kid shot his dad's best friend, then torched a barnful of zombies, and ran for his life, and he wasn't even breathing heavy. Bad acting on the kid's part maybe, but someone should have made it clear that he can't be taking all this crazy shit in stride the way he did.

another similar lack of direction I noticed was that some of the actors have no recoil whatsoever when they shoot their guns. But Lincoln who plays Rick, clearly pretended his gun had recoil when he shot it in some of the scenes I noticed. Props to him, everyone else, PAY ATTENTION.

edit: also I'm not a member of hatersgaf, just the hatelori-gaf. This show rocks.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

You being mad about something you made up in your head, in real life, is worse than a fictional character behaving badly.

In reality, he explained that her reaction was more about her being freaked out about all the stuff she put into motion, going down the way it did. I mean, she wanted Shane to be out of the picture, but to know that he turned into a walker and her kid shot him in the head, would be a lot to process for any parent. So I think the explanation is valid. I don't like her as a character, but her behavior is kind of understandable.

What I didn't like was that the kid shot his dad's best friend, then torched a barnful of zombies, and ran for his life, and he wasn't even breathing heavy. Bad acting on the kid's part maybe, but someone should have made it clear that he can't be taking all this crazy shit in stride the way he did.

No. Her behavior is not rational or believable. She pit both of them against each other. She talked in Ricks ear in the famous .gif, and did it with Shane in the Randall episode.

Her being upset is fine. Her being disgusted is fine. Its not fine for her to get pissed at Rick. It makes no sense, and the writers either didn't explain it well enough in the show, or its just a tell of crappy writing. I watched talking dead and when he explained it it really seemed like he was pulling crap out of his butt.

Chris Hardwick had a problem with it, as most people in this forum. We aren't all stupid. This is just a huge oversight on the writers part. They don't know how to create character drama...at least not with Lori and Carl.

 

[R2D4]

This show rocks.

It's certainly the best zombie show on TV.

 

[LiQuid!]

You being mad about something you made up in your head, in real life, is worse than a fictional character behaving badly.

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I find it hilarious that they would botch a portrayal of emotion so bad that they even need to defend it in a followup interview.

 

[Jonm1010]

Kirkman already explained that she flipped out at Rick not specifically because she was mad at him, but because she was trying to process everything or some other excuse for her crappy behaviour. She was disgusted in general. Still a bad reaction but yeah.

You shouldn't need a producer to explain that to you after the fact.

When even some of the most ardent and careful critics watching this show can't understand the logic and behavior for her character, and are still completely fucking baffled by the way she has been written and acted, the fault falls on those involved in the show.

The way the actor carried that scene, the way the directors and editors failed to properly give the audience a focus to understand her, and the writers for failing to write her in a way that would allow the audience to empathize with her emotions and give some logic to her progression as a character. The fault should be at their feet and nowhere else.

 

[AVclub]

No. Her behavior is not rational or believable. She pit both of them against each other. She talked in Ricks ear in the famous .gif, and did it with Shane in the Randall episode.

Her being upset is fine. Her being disgusted is fine. Its not fine for her to get pissed at Rick. It makes no sense, and the writers either didn't explain it well enough in the show, or its just a tell of crappy writing. I watched talking dead and when he explained it it really seemed like he was pulling crap out of his butt.

Chris Hardwick had a problem with it, as most people in this forum. We aren't all stupid. This is just a huge oversight on the writers part. They don't know how to create character drama...at least not with Lori and Carl.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. You're assuming that her reaction of anger was written into the script. You're assuming, based on facial expressions that the reaction is anger toward Rick, not anger in general. You're assuming that you know how everyone in the world would be acting during a zombie apocalypse, Then you're calling out the writers for not nailing what your assumptions amount to, in their show.

I got from the show that she was mad and disgusted and that the remark about her son 'putting Shane down' was the final straw that made her back away in horror. But those are just my impressions. To condemn the show and its writers, because they didn't live up to how a particular moment should have played out according to you, is silly. It will never be everything you hope it to be, because you aren't writing or directing it.

One more thing that nobody seems to be touching on: She was just told that the possible father of her unborn child was killed by her husband, turned into a zombie, then killed by her own child again, after finding out that she and everyone is infected with this zombie virus. To presume that we know how she must be feeling, I don't see how anyone can claim the actors/writers interpretation is wrong when there has never been such a scenario in real life.

 

[SamuraiX-]

You shouldn't need a producer to explain that to you after the fact.

When even some of the most ardent and careful critics watching this show can't understand the logic and behavior for her character, and are still completely fucking baffled by the way she has been written and acted, the fault falls on those involved in the show.

The way the actor carried that scene, the way the directors and editors failed to properly give the audience a focus to understand her, and the writers for failing to write her in a way that would allow the audience to empathize with her emotions and give some logic to her progression as a character. The fault should be at their feet and nowhere else.

If you ask me, I don't think her reaction is supposed to make sense or make the audience empathize with her. Not until Season 3 at least. The viewers are probably meant to be going "WTF" just as much as Rick must be thinking.

 

[markatisu]

edit: also I'm not a member of hatersgaf, just the hatelori-gaf. This show rocks.

I think everyone who watches the show is part of hatelori-gaf lol

And wow did this thread get shit up, when did it become the BBT thread?

 

[aku:jiki]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. You're assuming that her reaction of anger was written into the script. You're assuming, based on facial expressions that the reaction is anger toward Rick, not anger in general. You're assuming that you know how everyone in the world would be acting during a zombie apocalypse, Then you're calling out the writers for not nailing what your assumptions amount to, in their show.

I got from the show that she was mad and disgusted and that the remark about her son 'putting Shane down' was the final straw that made her back away in horror. But those are just my impressions. To condemn the show and its writers, because they didn't live up to how a particular moment should have played out according to you, is silly. It will never be everything you hope it to be, because you aren't writing or directing it.

The response question is really simple: when was the last time you saw someone start foaming at the mouth, seeing red and shooting fumes out of their nose like a cartoon bull because they were disappointed in themselves? Come on, that's not normal behavior and asking us as viewers to suddenly know that this is a personality quirk of Lori's is asking a hell of a lot, since they've barely introduced us to her as a person.

We're basing our assumptions on human fucking nature, not all of the stuff you just wrote.

 

[Buddha Beam]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. You're assuming that her reaction of anger was written into the script. You're assuming, based on facial expressions that the reaction is anger toward Rick, not anger in general. You're assuming that you know how everyone in the world would be acting during a zombie apocalypse, Then you're calling out the writers for not nailing what your assumptions amount to, in their show.

I got from the show that she was mad and disgusted and that the remark about her son 'putting Shane down' was the final straw that made her back away in horror. But those are just my impressions. To condemn the show and its writers, because they didn't live up to how a particular moment should have played out according to you, is silly. It will never be everything you hope it to be, because you aren't writing or directing it.

But the fact that we have to guess about WHY her reaction was what it was in the first place is the problem. The writers needed to either make it clear why she reacted that way shortly after that scene OR they needed to have written the previous episodes in a way that it's obvious why she behaved like that.
Neither of those things happened. Lori continues to be a completely irrational, unlikeable character.

Generally I love this show and think the writing is fine. But the way Lori and Carl are written is just terrible, amateur hour stuff. We shouldn't be compelled to loathe the two reasons for Rick, the main character, to keep pushing forward.

 

[Jonm1010]

to continue on my last post:

It amazes me to contrast this show with a show like Luck.

Whereas we got 13 episodes and an entire other season of the walking dead and still, the only character you can emotionally seem to understand and have background on is Rick and maybe Shane and Andrea.......throw in dale before he died and maybe Hershel.

Whereas in 8 episodes of Luck I can't tell you a single character, in what is a huge cast, that i don't understand, cant emotionally empathize with, don't have a strong understanding of their background and motivations and has ever acted in a way that is baffling or logically inconsistent with past actions or exposition. The world feels real and fleshed out.

More than anything I feel this series has failed to create the necessary exposition on its characters. And where it is, in most cases it has done so miserably or forced and the show has often broken that logic in subsequent episodes to fit certain plots.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. You're assuming that her reaction of anger was written into the script. You're assuming, based on facial expressions that the reaction is anger toward Rick, not anger in general. You're assuming that you know how everyone in the world would be acting during a zombie apocalypse, Then you're calling out the writers for not nailing what your assumptions amount to, in their show.

I got from the show that she was mad and disgusted and that the remark about her son 'putting Shane down' was the final straw that made her back away in horror. But those are just my impressions. To condemn the show and its writers, because they didn't live up to how a particular moment should have played out according to you, is silly. It will never be everything you hope it to be, because you aren't writing or directing it.

I think you need to re-watch the episode. If it wasn't written into the script then they sure did approve it. She broke down, and Rick tried to comfort her. She pushed him away, he tried to touch her again and she gave him that look of "Don't touch me you MFer!"

And using "you act like you know how people would act in an X scenario" as a defense? C'mon son! I think we all have a good barometer, otherwise people wouldn't write these scripts and people wouldn't watch them.

Some things work and somethings don't. Just because there's a zombie apocalypse doesn't give everyone free reign to act in all sorts of ways. In every fantasy movie, in every horror movie, a world is built and the characters grounded in that world or situation. This goes against what has been laid out.

The characters are all rational for the most part, and if they're not the motives are still somewhat understood. Writing crazy for the sake of crazy and ascribing that to Lori makes no sense in the context of the world/story they have laid out. Secondly, it's her fault.

1. She pit Rick and Shane against each other causing the whole situation.
2. She can NEVER keep track of Carl. Carl always gets into mischief, and she blames Rick. Her only job is to watch Carl.

Again, its not me. Its others in this thread, and even Chris Hardwick called them out on it. So obviously there is something that they forgot to add/mention/or do so that her reaction wasn't lost on us. That's why there's so many memes ITT about Loris character. They don't know what to do with her.

I love the show. But it's not perfect. Nothing is. That was painfully obvious to me when Dale died from a ninja zombie...

 

[Jonm1010]

If you ask me, I don't think her reaction is supposed to make sense or make the audience empathize with her. Not until Season 3 at least. The viewers are probably meant to be going "WTF" just as much as Rick must be thinking.

Which would work, maybe, if her character for the entire rest of the show had been governed by consistent internal logic. to which only now that reaction throws the audience for a loop.

But since almost all of her behavior is contradictory, has little consistent logic, has not been fleshed out properly by the writers and who's decisions almost always come off as making no sense to the audience - due to a number of factors - her reaction is merely another example of the same shit we've seen all season and most of us have gotten tired of.

 

[AgentOtaku]

You say that the show was doomed when Darabont left, but Darabont helped write all the episodes up until the break. He shaped those. If you have a problem with the story arc in the first part of season 2, you have a problem with Darabont. And I think the show has improved tremendously since Darabont left. The finale of 2 is probably the best episode of either season. If not, it's second only to the premiere.

Really?

Well he also had that awesome Season2 premiere that didn't get used =/

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Which would work, maybe, if her character for the entire rest of the show had been governed by consistent internal logic. to which only now that reaction throws the audience for a loop.

But since almost all of her behavior is contradictory, has little consistent logic, has not been fleshed out properly by the writers and who's decisions almost always come off as making no sense to the audience - due to a number of factors - her reaction is merely another example of the same shit we've seen all season and most of us have gotten tired of.

Exactly. Lori is the female T-dog of the Walking Dead. They don't know what to do with her. Only problem is they HAVE to give her lines....which leads to scenarios like this...

At least T-Dog is rational, albeit due to his lack of involvement.

 

[Jonm1010]

Exactly. Lori is the female T-dog of the Walking Dead. They don't know what to do with her. Only problem is they HAVE to give her lines....which leads to scenarios like this...

At least T-Dog is rational, albeit due to his lack of involvement.

And the thing is I don't see how it's that hard to write her character. I mean off the top of my head one of multiple things you could establish with her character was:

Your son is young and in a zombie apocalypse. You are a scared and concerned mother. A mother that is fixated on creating a normal family again but also protecting your son. Prone to cognitive dissonance in some ways to the new world she lives in, slightly overprotective in other ways. Which plays on the theme of the season about adapting to the new world and imbedding new rules to survive.

Your son was almost killed. As a reaction you become overly protective to the point of almost house arrest once to the farm. Her character falls into a pattern of trying to return to normalcy but conflicts with the group, her husband and herself about straddling these two worlds. She ebbs and flows with allowing her son to learn certain survival tactics but finds excuses to pull back the reigns.

Your son begins to plot ways of sneaking out as a means to prove his mother wrong. That he can survive, and because of natural curiosity. Through his sneaking out he manages to get dale killed but then also save his fathers life. Next season you can then delve into the character needing to loosen the reigns and teach him proper survival or going off the deep end.

Just setting up something as simple as that would have eliminated all of the eye rolling that happens when Lori once again can't find her fucking son. And done properly, with the right subplots, a lot of viewers would sympathize with what she is going through, whereas what we have now is a character with no redeeming qualities and nothing to sympathize with.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

And the thing is I don't see how it's that hard to write her character. I mean off the top of my head one of multiple things you could establish with her character was:

Your son is young and in a zombie apocalypse. You are a scared and concerned mother. A mother that is fixated on creating a normal family again but also protecting your son. Prone to cognitive dissonance in some ways to the new world she lives in, slightly overprotective in other ways. Which plays on the theme of the season about adapting to the new world and imbedding new rules to survive.

Your son was almost killed. As a reaction you become overly protective to the point of almost house arrest once to the farm. Her character falls into a pattern of trying to return to normalcy but conflicts with the group, her husband and herself about straddling these two worlds. She ebbs and flows with allowing her son to learn certain survival tactics but finds excuses to pull back the reigns.

Your son begins to plot ways of sneaking out as a means to prove his mother wrong. That he can survive, and because of natural curiosity. Through his sneaking out he manages to get dale killed but then also save his fathers life. Next season you can then delve into the character needing to loosen the reigns and teach him proper survival or going off the deep end.

Just setting up something as simple as that would have eliminated all of the eye rolling that happens when Lori once again can't find her fucking son. And done properly, with the right subplots, a lot of viewers would sympathize with what she is going through, whereas what we have now is a character with no redeeming qualities and nothing to sympathize with.

Yup...What does Lori even do in the house? It's like she completely ignores Carl. If they made her a huge control freak it would have been a bit more understandable. If she was pissed at Carl for running off it would have been understandable - if they set it up like that.

But shes done nothing to show that. She constantly lets him run off into the woods and then can't find him. She lectures Rick on why he doesn't need to get Herschel from the bar because Carl needs his his parents...and then she drives off (while pregnant mind you) leaving Carl ALONE and gets into a car accident. What did she think she was going to do anyway?

It seems like that plot wasn't really written with the characters motivations in mind, but upping the drama, and moving the plot somewhere interesting. When you have a character become a vehicle for plot development instead of having their own logical reasons for actions the story begins to suffer.

She's more irrational and irresponsible than Carl is. At least he can hide under the guise of being a kid.

 

[Lonestar]

I'm telling you guy's, she had problems before the apocalypse (opening scene of the pilot) and at the end of the pilot, wanted to go driving off alone to put up warning signs.

Not all her maternal instincts exist. Not Properly.

 

[andycapps]

Someone somewhere came up with a "Lori's viewpoint" theory. In that she feels Shane would protect her (and offspring) better if it came to it. It's why she sticks around with him on the road, in the quarry camp, and against once the "sanctuary" of the Farm is ruined (Dale's death by Zombie, was followed by the "apology" scene).

When she's in a relatively safe environment, she falls in line with Rick. At the CDC and during the "safer" time of the Farm.

Still, I don't think there's a rational explanation for how she reacted.

You talking about her reaction after finding out about Shane's death from Rick? I rewatched the episode last night, and she was dealing with the news, though obviously a bit sad about her baby daddy being killed, until she got to the point where it was actually Carl that did the final killing. Then she doubles over in some form of shock/pain. Her main issue with Rick was that she couldn't believe that he let Carl kill Shane.

Really?

Well he also had that awesome Season2 premiere that didn't get used =/

It did sound like an interesting idea. And really, it would have been better than what he went with, that's for sure. Outside of the premiere, I think there were a few great Darabont type moments, but most of those episodes were just filled with them going through their day to day activities. Nothing like what we've seen since the season 2 break. I'm a big supporter of Mazzara being in control now, especially after the finale'. I'm interested on how season 3 will be written with the baggage of season 1 and 2 somewhat behind them, and with a new setting. I'm very happy with the direction they've taken Rick, and I think he's definitely become the man. I'm definitely on team Rick at this point. Team Daryl is pretty awesome too.

I'm telling you guy's, she had problems before the apocalypse (opening scene of the pilot) and at the end of the pilot, wanted to go driving off alone to put up warning signs.

Not all her maternal instincts exist. Not Properly.

Like I've said before, at least they're consistent with the comic. She's a POS in the comics as well. Carl is always wandering off. She's always moody and biting Rick's head off for no reason.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

*snip


Like I've said before, at least they're consistent with the comic. She's a POS in the comics as well. Carl is always wandering off. She's always moody and biting Rick's head off for no reason.

lol. Well I guess I cant blame the television writers then?

 

[Lonestar]

You talking about her reaction after finding out about Shane's death from Rick? I rewatched the episode last night, and she was dealing with the news, though obviously a bit sad about her baby daddy being killed, until she got to the point where it was actually Carl that did the final killing. Then she doubles over in some form of shock/pain. Her main issue with Rick was that she couldn't believe that he let Carl kill Shane.



It did sound like an interesting idea. And really, it would have been better than what he went with, that's for sure. Outside of the premiere, I think there were a few great Darabont type moments, but most of those episodes were just filled with them going through their day to day activities. Nothing like what we've seen since the season 2 break. I'm a big supporter of Mazzara being in control now, especially after the finale'. I'm interested on how season 3 will be written with the baggage of season 1 and 2 somewhat behind them, and with a new setting. I'm very happy with the direction they've taken Rick, and I think he's definitely become the man. I'm definitely on team Rick at this point. Team Daryl is pretty awesome too.



Like I've said before, at least they're consistent with the comic. She's a POS in the comics as well. Carl is always wandering off. She's always moody and biting Rick's head off for no reason.

Yeah, I've mentioned that her extreme change of reaction was when he mentioned Carl. But still, her overall mood is hard to explain.

There were still some good stuff in S1. Obviously the pilot, but I found the 2nd episode to be a good, Zombie filled episode. I enjoyed the bits of searching for Merle (up until the intro of the Gangbangers), and really liked Amy's transformation scene (still Andrea's best moment). I actually liked alot of the CDC, as it was totally different than anything in the comics.

Trying to remember, but did Carl wander off alot in the comic books (this early?) To me, it's been ramped up in the show (wonder if it might have to do with no other kids in the show, where as there are other children at this same point in the comic). From memory, Lori's "problems" keep coming back to Rick always running off to "do something" instead of letting someone else do it. She's not a saint in the comics, but it too has been ramped up in the show.

 

[andycapps]

lol. Well I guess I cant blame the television writers then?

I've mentioned before that I wonder if Kirkman based Lori off an ex-wife. It would explain a lot.

 

[LosDaddie]

Finally watched the finale last night, and I thought it was pretty great. I don't watch much TV, but TWD is easily one of my favorite shows.

Wow. This thread sure got shit up in a hurry.

I expected nothing less on GAF.

 

[remnant]

But the fact that we have to guess about WHY her reaction was what it was in the first place is the problem. The writers needed to either make it clear why she reacted that way shortly after that scene OR they needed to have written the previous episodes in a way that it's obvious why she behaved like that.
Neither of those things happened. Lori continues to be a completely irrational, unlikeable character.

Generally I love this show and think the writing is fine. But the way Lori and Carl are written is just terrible, amateur hour stuff. We shouldn't be compelled to loathe the two reasons for Rick, the main character, to keep pushing forward.

The only people guessing are the critics. Everyone i talked to IRL and on other forums understand why Lori is upset and pissed at Rick. You guys are the only ones I know who are so hung up on one simple scene which is ridiculously easy to understand.

 

[bengraven]

Lori's reaction pissed my wife off pretty bad. We watched it together last night (my second time, her first) and she turned to do something and I grabbed her and said "wait! Look!" just as Rick was about to say "Carl finished him off".

She rolled her eyes and spent the next five minutes going "really? REALLY? The bitch egged him on to do it! God, women can be so stupid sometimes". I was just laughing.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Lori's reaction pissed my wife off pretty bad. We watched it together last night (my second time, her first) and she turned to do something and I grabbed her and said "wait! Look!" just as Rick was about to say "Carl finished him off".

She rolled her eyes and spent the next five minutes going "really? REALLY? The bitch egged him on to do it! God, women can be so stupid sometimes". I was just laughing.

Your wife sounds like a misogynist at the end there.

I'd get upset at the writers if anything.

 

[José Mourinho]

I'm so glad I stay out of these threads for the most part.

 

[AVclub]

I love the show. But it's not perfect. Nothing is. That was painfully obvious to me when Dale died from a ninja zombie...

I don't think anyone ever claimed the show was perfect. I certainly didn't. I've got a pretty good number of plot points in mind that don't make sense to me. I'm just arguing that this outpouring of hate and Monday morning quarterbacking of how a character SHOULD have responded in a completely unimaginable scenario, is foolish. I've watched the episode twice. I've seen her reaction. She didn't want her kid to have a gun a few days ago. Then she finds out he offed Shane's. It physically revolts her.

But that isn't even the point. The point is that she could have done cartwheels for all I care, because I wouldn't presume to put myself in her shoes to say how she should be reacting. The whole premise of the show is watching people either unravel (both physically and mentally) or keep it together in an imaginary worst case scenario. Yet the internet is full of behavioral experts who know exactly what's everyone should behave like, when they sit in front of the TV on Sunday night and watch their zombie dramas.

None of us know what we would do in the same scenario. None of us can predict what anyone else would do. So any criticism of what a character did is ultimately bitching because you wanted to watch a different scene than the one presented. There are regular debates on this board about whether Firefly (for example) was a good show. It comes down to a matter of taste. Nobody is wrong, just some people view it differently from others.

 

[aku:jiki]

None of us know what we would do in the same scenario. None of us can predict what anyone else would do.

If that were impossible for someone to imagine, how do you think a show like this is written?

 

[remnant]

Lori's reaction pissed my wife off pretty bad. We watched it together last night (my second time, her first) and she turned to do something and I grabbed her and said "wait! Look!" just as Rick was about to say "Carl finished him off".

She rolled her eyes and spent the next five minutes going "really? REALLY? The bitch egged him on to do it! God, women can be so stupid sometimes". I was just laughing.

What episode did Lori tell Rick to have Carl shoot Shane? That is what doubled her over

Seriously you people

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

If Lori had acted understanding and embraced Rick I bet there would still be a hundred posts about what a bitch she is.

 

[Jonm1010]

The only people guessing are the critics. Everyone i talked to IRL and on other forums understand why Lori is upset and pissed at Rick. You guys are the only ones I know who are so hung up on one simple scene which is ridiculously easy to understand.

Yay, the "my people I know see my pov" so you all are stupid argument is getting play.

 

[hamchan]

My thinking on this is that Lori subconsciously was still in love with Shane having fallen out of love with Rick before the outbreak even began. She won't admit this to herself but figured she could get the outcome she wanted by goading Rick and Shane into a conflict thinking that Shane would come out on top. So she played up Shane's dangerous nature with Rick and baited Shane with "my baby could be yours" crap in order to push their buttons.

She guessed wrong and is now pissed off. Carl's innocence being taken away is just the icing on the cake. If anything, she'll latch onto that as justification for her being outraged when in reality she just wanted to hop Shane's bones some more with Rick out of the picture.

This is a good theory. Rick and Lori's relationship already seemed messed up pre-apocalypse so I could see her wanting Shane more than Rick. Her wanting to off Rick and have Shane win is a good explanation for her crazy actions.

 

[andycapps]

Lori's reaction pissed my wife off pretty bad. We watched it together last night (my second time, her first) and she turned to do something and I grabbed her and said "wait! Look!" just as Rick was about to say "Carl finished him off".

She rolled her eyes and spent the next five minutes going "really? REALLY? The bitch egged him on to do it! God, women can be so stupid sometimes". I was just laughing.

I think your wife missed the point of why Lori was upset, along with most of GAF.