Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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Zoe
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Not necessarily--it was probably just a keypad/RF gate. Guards are more common for the million dollar communities.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Stand your ground George!
That's current.
nice.
This is one of those cases where voting demographic trends are made clear.
soundscream
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Anyone want to bet this "speedline" poster isn't going to reply now that he's revealed he supports the same fake-photo-racist-profiling Stormfront is pushing?
Mammoth Jones
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Yea, it's amazing that some are trying there best to find SOME blemish on the dead black kid to tarnish his character. As if smoking a joint in high-school and getting suspended justifies being murdered....
I guess the logic is "Well, if he had character flaws then it's very well possible that he DID assault Good Ole George first!" What really pisses me off is those same people completely fucking ignore George's 80+ calls to the police, the restraining order for domestic violence his ex-fiance placed on him, and his expunged assault on an officer charge.
But black kid smoking a joint and getting in trouble at school...that's all the evidence needed to say Zimmerman was acting in self defense....
I was thinking about this as well.
Zoe
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I'm just speaking from experience. The $200k community across the street from me does not have a guard, and neither have any of the other comparable ones I've been to. The fancy shmancy one out in the hills 15 minutes from me definitely does though.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
No, they typically just have a key-coded electronic gate.
This story has really made rebulicans prejudices come out of the woodwork. And they wonder why they don't have much support from minorities.
FrontalMonk
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The one I used to live at was like this. Also a third of the time the gate was broken. And this is in one of the richest counties in the country (Fairfax Co., VA).
i would rather their prejudices be out in the open for people to see than see them hiding it.
googleplex
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No the last election showed that very clearly
Spiderjericho
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I posted this on my FB wall, this is hilarious.
This experience has definitely been an illustration of the power of social media, police incompetence and the racial undercurrent in America.
Baconsammy
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The gated community I lived in a decade ago in Boca Raton consisted of million dollar homes and our front and rear gates were key-card activated. Guards did patrol the neighborhood though. It's not unusual for there to not be one at the gate.
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Mass...mmerman-and-trayvon-martin-what-we-dont-know/
Indicates that the weapon failed to cycle, stating that it was possible due to a struggle for the weapon and someone else's hand being on the slide that prevented the weapon from cycling.
I have a PF9. You need an iron grip on that gun to make sure it cycles. Limp wristing it would also cause it to fail to cycle. Speer +p short barrel rounds help with the cycling a bit and that's what I load it with.
Indicates that the weapon failed to cycle, stating that it was possible due to a struggle for the weapon and someone else's hand being on the slide that prevented the weapon from cycling.
I have a PF9. You need an iron grip on that gun to make sure it cycles. Limp wristing it would also cause it to fail to cycle. Speer +p short barrel rounds help with the cycling a bit and that's what I load it with.
Thanks for the replies on the guards and gated communities. I'm still confused on what Zimmerman does... I mean those are a lot of calls, no? Has he ever gotten a successful report or reward for any of his 'neighborhood watch' activities? Is he on a first name basis with anyone in the police departmentI'm assuming they know him from all the calls rightor even friends with any of them? Is Zimmerman affiliated with the Sanford police department in any way?
CookedChocobo
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I fucking agree on everything you said broski.
I don't care what anyone says, that guy stalked and provoked a confrontation with the kid.
And fuck people for trying to bring Trayvon Martin's rep down. Who the fuck cares if he wasn't the model student, what does that have to do with anything?
If someone has a knife and tries to stab you, but doesn't succeed and you shoot him out of self-defense, does that mean your life wasn't in danger?
And no, I'm not a Zimmerman apologist.
Gordon Shumway
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But if he doesn't succeed, then there are no "life threatening injuries?" How does this relate?
Also, see post below me...
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Good point, except that TRAYVON DID NOT HAVE ANY WEAPONS.
His claim is basically that Trayvon was giving him such a massive beating that he feared for his life. If the beating was so massive, i.e. like getting his head smashed into the ground, you'd think they would have liked to have observed for a concusion, at the very least.
don't you mean if you start a fight with somebody with a knife? which treyvon did not have.
Hopefully this cop gets a lot of extra training or fired, I would not trust him on the streets after this (hopefully they will look into the previoous incident a lot more carefully now as well):
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/03/new-orleans-cop-suspended-over-thug-remark-on-trayvon-case/1#.T3HxOtlLfmg
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/03/new-orleans-cop-suspended-over-thug-remark-on-trayvon-case/1#.T3HxOtlLfmg
Bumblebeetuna
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Are you equating the potential harm a knife can do to the potential harm a kid 11 years younger and 100 pounds lighter than than Georgie could do to him? A kid with no advanced fighting knowledge and no weapons on him?
Because apparently all that kid did to him was bloody his nose. I think a knife can do worse.
You want someone to have the life threatening injuries before they commits the act of self-defense? That's not how it works.
You're right. They should have taken him to the hospital. It's all very fishy and I don't believe Zimmerman, however the law doesn't expect someone in the heat of the act to judiciously decide whether or not their injuries are life-threatening *enough* for the discretion of law enforcement before defending themselves, so it doesn't matter.
echoshifting
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Just in case anyone was wondering where Matt Drudge came down on this issue
Mortrialus
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I still can't believe how big of assholes conservatives are being about this. Why? What the fuck do they have to gain from being hateful about something that has caused this big of an outrage?
empty vessel
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So a cop threatened a citizen that he was going to kill him for wearing a hoodie. Can't say I'm terribly surprised. Extra training? No, he must be fired.
Gordon Shumway
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Bud, the dude you were quoting was making the point that Zimmerman was taking a beating that was sooo "life threatening" that he had to shoot him, YET not so bad that he'd go to the hospital for said "near fatal" injuries...understand how that joke works? Word...
Baconsammy
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I said it before in this thread - if it's possible to come down on the worst side of any controversy, Republicans will find a way. Their mindset is beyond disgusting on social issues.
JCreasy
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Great points by Robert Wright at The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...rge-zimmerman-is-the-case-against-him/255090/
Basically, the confrontation began the moment Zimmerman began stalking Treyvon Martin.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...rge-zimmerman-is-the-case-against-him/255090/
Basically, the confrontation began the moment Zimmerman began stalking Treyvon Martin.
No, I'm not. I was just addressing the logic that self-defense spurned from uncertainties between two individuals can be tricky to analyze using certainties after the fact.
Right. And I was saying that self-defense and the injuries you sustain have a somewhat tenuous legal link, despite popular belief. At what state of injury do you draw the line and say it's okay to kill someone?
Baconsammy
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I just bought that Obama 2012 hoodie in black. Love it.
I agree with all of that however it's going to come down to what happened when they met up. From everything I've read it seems like there is yet more information to come out.
Don't worry, I get what you're saying at least bro - you don't need to wait until you are injured to feel as though your life is threatened. But you don't personally think there is much evidence corroborating that in this particular situation Zimmerman's 'head bashing' and 'face smashing' story, ergo, life probably wasn't in danger.
If it comes out Trayvon is actually a super saiyjen or something, maybe I'll give his story more pause - but right now the idea of a 250lb man with (probably) some defensive training getting held down and beaten by a 140lb 17 year old... seems... how does that even work?
empty vessel
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I wouldn't exactly call it tenuous, but yes, injuries are not dispositive. The question is whether the person reasonably believed he was in the danger required by statute to permit the amount of force used. One's injuries, of course, are relevant to the reasonableness of a person's beliefs about the danger the person was in. As well, if Zimmerman is deemed the aggressor, then the reasonableness of his beliefs about the danger he was in (including a reasonable fear of death) are insufficient in and of themselves to permit his use of lethal force.
Gordon Shumway
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You know what? You win. I'll never carry a gun, so I have no way of measuring. I'm sure he was well within his rights. Just like the right to refuse a ride to the hospital from that beating that almost took his life.
I think Zimmerman should be tried. The story doesn't fit. I have a lot of doubt that he killed strictly out of self-defense, but it's tricky to argue that because he wasn't hurt *enough* that he wasn't entitled to defend himself. I think there might be other evidence that would prove that the shooting was unjustified (like his propensity for confrontation with his police call history, etc). If Trayvon managed to break Zimmerman's arm as a final act of desperation to break free or do anything more injurious to Zimmerman that what was done, that doesn't make Zimmerman's murder *more* justified.
RaptureReady has finally pounced on this story.
Shame my head worthy.
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?174567-Trayvon-Martin-and-racial-issues
Shame my head worthy.
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?174567-Trayvon-Martin-and-racial-issues
BattleMonkey
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Fear for your life even without weapons involved has been used before as justification in a self defense shooting. But yes if Zimmerman had no major injuries or could not prove he was getting his ass beat, it really makes him look like a liar here. Various reports have said he was bloodied and such but why didn't he go to the hospital at least? Did paramedics actually tream him at least and determine he was fine? Many of the reports also seem to make it out that there were no injuries on Zimmerman either. This will surely be a big point of the trial for the defense to try and get him off.
Course Zimmerman was responsible to try and escape, especially if he was an aggressor here since standing ones ground really seems hard to pin down here. We are to believe that Zimmerman couldn't simply disengage from the fight which he probbly caused? Kid seems pretty small.
You're right. There's a measure of subjectivity that *someone* has to exercise in figuring out if what was done was reasonable. It has to come down to subjectivity - but strictly speaking, his injuries are enough to credit his alibi of self-defense as reasonable. There's not a lot you can argue when it comes to his own subjective standard of safety, if the man has visible injuries and claims his life was in danger. There has to be another angle people can look at besides his own individual sense of danger, given what he has already claimed about Trayvon and what some witnesses have claimed.
Someone posted a link that explains how the conflict started when Zimmerman became the aggressor in disregarding the police's instructions to stop following him. I think this is the angle the prosecution should argue.
Conservatives are showing just how disgusting they can be. Trying to smear the victim's character, as if that is even relevant. Doesn't matter if the victim had been suspended from school or anything like that -- Zimmerman wouldn't have known those facts, and therefor wouldn't be able to base his actions on those facts.
Gordon Shumway
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To read such insane garbage AND read the scripture in their signatures...thought I was about to have a nose bleed out of pure confusion. I think I need to quit the net for a year to clean all the nasty shit this case has brought into my brain.
Bay Maximus
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That's what I thought when I just went there.
Is it a big US thing? I've lived in Illinois, Texas, California, and Maryland and I haven't really heard about it. Admittedly, the people that read such nonsense aren't the types that I willingly associate with.
Bitmap Frogs
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It is shocking, to say the least.
Baconsammy
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It's a big conservative blog site. Drudge culls together the most hateful news stories he can find and puts them all in one easily accessible place for conservatives to find and click on.
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