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[Big Baybee]

I'm not mouthing off an opinion. I'm stating the truth. You're trying to hold significance to nothing. It's a police report. Let's point out the significance of their weight. Their eyes. Their height. Are they all correct? You're trying to perpetuate and combine this entire left vs right, black vs white dichotomy out of no where.

This man clearly does not look white. Anyone saying otherwise needs to walk outside some more.

It's truly sad that the kid died. It really is. He shouldn't have died. Maybe the man Zimmerman made a mistake, maybe he didn't... who knows. Everyone is trying to point a finger or point out some fact to make them right. No one fucking knows what down that night to the fine details, yet everyone is extremely fast to point fingers at race. Sad.



Is the law handling it because it's a racial issue now? If so that's sad. More importance should be focused on how the department handled the case and not on the race of the people involved.

The race of the kid is the main reason he was stalked in the first place. He was profiled by Zimmerman. Of course race is going to play a big part in this story.

 

[The Incarnation]

It doesn't give you a pass to simply post it up and not explain what your post meant. And it doesn't mean that you can't harbor grievances towards blacks. You took a picture that mostly racist/conservatives are using to portray the boy in a less flattering light. What was the point of posting a quote from the president and juxtaposing it to a picture that is used to make a victim look less scrupulous? What was your intent?

The same intent as Drudge Report I'd wager...

 

[Chie Satonaka]

There is nothing innocent about wearing a hoodie in the rain and carrying skittles without a license.

Walking While Black In Hoodie With Skittles?

(WWBIHWS)

 

[wonderkins]

Shiiiet, I have some of those stereotypical portrait shoot pictures from the shopping mall where me and my Filipino friends look imposing by conservative standards. The homie had on a bandana/visor on too. I'm sure you guys know the kind of pics I'm talking about, the ones handed out to other friends in highschool. In the event I die in some bullshit circumstances, I hope nobody has that up on some social media site. Because some of the people who were quick to judge a kid for rocking a grill would have saw a picture of me then and not predicted I'd be where I am today.

I have no convictions
Don't do drugs(though I've smoked before)
I'm a pilot
I'm a college graduate

But Imm0rt4l, do you drink iced-tea? Do you take walks at night? Do you enjoy a candy bar from time-to-time?

Those are the traits of a 17 year-old hooligan in America.

 

[Derwind]

What about a can of iced tea?

Clearly it's the mark of a skilled assassin to be carrying an illegally modified Arizona can of that caliber... surely black market stuff...

 

[Imm0rt4l]

The same intent as Drudge Report I'd wager...

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[Smaug]

It doesn't really matter if he's half white, a quarter white, or full Latino. Lots of Latinos and even a third of African Americans harbor anti-black bias. It's a part of American culture. If you watch the news everyday, you will see a disproportionately high number of black violent criminals and a disproportionately high number of white victims. This idea of the threatening black male and the innocent white victim has been with this nation for its entire history. It will have a psychological impact on everyone - even people of color will internalize these stereotypes to a certain extent. This murder is a racial issue because Zimmerman - regardless of his race - perceived an innocent boy as threat because of cultural ideas around black criminality. Further, the police (or state attorney) chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of cultural ideas around white (or light skinned) innocence. They saw a dead black male and a living white (looking) man and presumed that the white man acted in self defense. No one is "increasing tensions" by bringing in race. Race is a part of this story and a part of this country. And the only way to prevent things like this happening in the future is to confront the reality of racial discrimination head on.

What about confronting the disproportionately high black on white crimes being comitted or for that matter the disproportionately high black on black crimes.

 

[MThanded]

What about confronting the disproportionately high black on white crimes being comitted or for that matter the disproportionately high black on black crimes.

What does that have to do with this specific case?

You are showing your true colors here. No pun intended.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

What about confronting the disproportionately high black on white crimes being comitted or for that matter the disproportionately high black on black crimes.

Why is this your argument?

 

[marathonfool]

What about confronting the disproportionately high black on white crimes being comitted or for that matter the disproportionately high black on black crimes.

Stop being cryptic and say what you mean. Or stay out of the topic.

 

[wonderkins]

Ah geez. The "it's so hard to be white in America" argument.

The black man sure has his knee in our back...

 

[Derwind]

Walking While Black In Hoodie With Skittles?

(WWBIHWS)

More like "Walking While Black In Hoodie With Skittles Under Influence Of Ice Tea"... with the amount of narcotics testing they did on the boys corpse. Apparently Zimmerman wasn't included in the standard drug & alcohol testing usually done when someone commits a murder.

(WWBIHWSUIOIT)

 

[The Incarnation]

Brings back memories of when the press here, and Margaret Thatcher use to call Nelson Mandela a terrorist.

Good times.

 

[echoshifting]

Trayvon Martin. 27 feet tall, 4000 pounds, his skin hardened into a thick 2-inch-thick carapace of pure crack cocaine.

He rampages down the streets, picking up houses and pouring their TVs and jewelry into his mouth. All the while purple clouds of pure marijuana issue from his snorting nostrils, making him look like a mighty weed-dragon. No school or prison or school bus can contain him.

Enter expert marksman George Zimmerman, proud Mayan warrior. Attempting to peacefully stop the dark goliath from his pillaging with vis-a-vis discourse, Zimmerman is grabbed and squeezed to within an inch of his life. Spying a crack in the... crack (like the hole in the armor of the fiendish wyrm Smaug), Zimmerman takes aim and enters history.

I demand more of these, EmCee

 

[Bay Maximus]

Dont mind 60_gig_PS3 guys, he's unable to follow the case closely as he is working on the new xBox

Aw man, I knew I remembered him from somewhere. Good memory.

Credibility = zero.

 

[Professor Beef]

Shiiiet, I have some of those stereotypical portrait shoot pictures from the shopping mall where me and my Filipino friends look imposing by conservative standards. The homie had on a bandana/visor on too. I'm sure you guys know the kind of pics I'm talking about, the ones handed out to other friends in highschool. In the event I die in some bullshit circumstances, I hope nobody has that up on some social media site. Because some of the people who were quick to judge a kid for rocking a grill would have saw a picture of me then and not predicted I'd be where I am today.

I have no convictions
Don't do drugs(though I've smoked before)
I'm a pilot
I'm a college graduate

Plus you play Gouken. You can't smear someone who plays him.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Clearly it's the mark of a skilled assassin to be carrying an illegally modified Arizona can of that caliber... surely black market stuff...

I KNEW there was a reason it came in a 20 oz can as opposed to the regular 12 oz can!

 

[BruiserBear]

So the parents testified on Capital Hill today?

Yeah, it's most certainly an election year here in the U.S.

 

[GaimeGuy]

But Imm0rt4l, do you drink iced-tea? Do you take walks at night? Do you enjoy a candy bar from time-to-time?

Those are the traits of a 17 year-old hooligan in America.

actually he went out to buy his 13 year old brother some skittles.

 

[wonderkins]

actually he went out to buy his 13 year old brother some skittles.

Even worse.

 

[smurfx]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

 

[TheYanger]

actually he went out to buy his 13 year old brother some skittles.

We all know skittles is slang for crack.

 

[JCreasy]

actually he went out to buy his 13 year old brother some skittles.

Serious dude.

I didn't know that part. For his little brother?

Oh man. Shit shit shit!

 

[Big Baybee]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

And now we know why the PD refused to charge him. Wow, hadn't heard about this. I must have missed it.

 

[Derwind]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

Does it help the message that young black youths are dangerous creatures that "normal", patriotic, law abiding Americans should be afraid of?

No?

Well then you have your answer.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

But Imm0rt4l, do you drink iced-tea? Do you take walks at night? Do you enjoy a candy bar from time-to-time?

Those are the traits of a 17 year-old hooligan in America.

Arizona Sweet tea...I drink dat

Long walks at night....I take those

Now n Laters....I eat dat

Glasses, jacket, shirt man....

But I'm not a rapper thug

Plus you play Gouken. You can't smear someone who plays him.

yea, scumbags don't play Gouken. Blanka players on the other hand.....

 

[theignoramus]

that geraldo rivera article on hoodies is sickening, even by foxnews standards. wow.

 

[Enzom21]

And now we know why the PD refused to charge him. Wow, hadn't heard about this. I must have missed it.

http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/

 

[JCreasy]

And now we know why the PD refused to charge him. Wow, hadn't heard about this. I must have missed it.

http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/

Also, we learned today it was the state attorney that blocked the charges

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3JHW2Egcuc

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

The police leaked this too

 

[Derwind]

Serious dude.

I didn't know that part. For his little brother?

Oh man. Shit shit shit!

They were watching the allstar game together too.. =(

Fuck my older sis used to do shit like that for me back in the day, if on one of her trips to the convenience store I found out she was shot & killed... god I don't know what I'd have done actually, it's too fucked up to think about.

No one should have to go through that and be left not only with empty answers but complete & utter lack of care & empathy from the fucking police department and the media.

 

[el retorno]

Does it help the message that young black youths are dangerous creatures that "normal", patriotic, law abiding Americans should be afraid of?

No?

Well then you have your answer.

They thing is they'll probably hype up that he's hispanic to show they're not racist. (AZ never happened!).

They don't want or care about the black vote or popular support. hispanics on the other hand..

 

[Aaronology]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

Wow. Yet another eerie similarity to the Justin Collison case.

 

[Professor Beef]

Arizona Sweet tea...I drink dat

Long walks at night....I take those

Now n Laters....I eat dat

Glasses, jacket, shirt man....

But I'm not a rapper thug

yea, scumbags don't play Gouken. Blanka players on the other hand.....

Can't trust 'em. Just look at Mike Ross.

 

[The Incarnation]

And now we know why the PD refused to charge him. Wow, hadn't heard about this. I must have missed it.

And the source of Zimmerman's power obsession.

Like I said way earlier in the thread, his Facebook pictures were a dead give away to the lads thinking.

If it turns out how I think it will end, with people knowing that Zimmerman was standing over Trayvon who was shouting for help when he ended his life. A cold blooded execution.

Speculation I know, but he's already got away with enough because of his Dad, he probably thought he was untouchable.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

smh.

 

[Open Source]

It doesn't really matter if he's half white, a quarter white, or full Latino. Lots of Latinos and even a third of African Americans harbor anti-black bias. It's a part of American culture. If you watch the news everyday, you will see a disproportionately high number of black violent criminals and a disproportionately high number of white victims. This idea of the threatening black male and the innocent white victim has been with this nation for its entire history. It will have a psychological impact on everyone - even people of color will internalize these stereotypes to a certain extent. This murder is a racial issue because Zimmerman - regardless of his race - perceived an innocent boy as threat because of cultural ideas around black criminality. Further, the police (or state attorney) chose not to prosecute Zimmerman because of cultural ideas around white (or light skinned) innocence. They saw a dead black male and a living white (looking) man and presumed that the white man acted in self defense. No one is "increasing tensions" by bringing in race. Race is a part of this story and a part of this country. And the only way to prevent things like this happening in the future is to confront the reality of racial discrimination head on.

You've turned this thread into your own personal soapbox on racism in general and then when people don't want to play along, you think it's because you're won an argument or something. So let me just deflate you and then we can move on to something other than reading Tim Wise the Antiracist repeating the same shit we've already read in this thread 1000x.

Do you know where "cultural ideas about black criminality" come from? Look up statistics on violent crime sometime, or look at how some black hip-hop artists WANT themselves to be perceived - as gangsters, cold-blooded killers. You want to confront reality? The reality is that it's not racist whites forcing blacks to invade homes, form mobs to loot stores, pull triggers, or to glorify the thug culture.

In New York City, which is 23% black, blacks committed 66% of violent crimes and 80% of shootings in Jan-Jun 2009. Whites, 35% of the population, committed 5% of violent crimes and 1.5% of shootings. So, if the news reports violent crimes proportionally, there would be thirteen times as many blacks as whites shown. If they limit it to shootings, then it would be 53 times as many. If you have statistics backing up your claim "If you watch the news everyday, you will see a disproportionately high number of black violent criminals and a disproportionately high number of white victims" then please feel free to share it.

 

[Blackhead]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

Thanks for the info; where did you see that? I've been trying to find out what the man's relationship with the local police was. Just didn't make sense that he could get off scott free for assaulting a police officer with no connections.

 

[kame-sennin]

What about confronting the disproportionately high black on white crimes being comitted or for that matter the disproportionately high black on black crimes.

What exactly are you trying to say here?

 

[K.Jack]

 

[Particle Physicist]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

Well, things are starting to make sense.

 

[Mr. Patch]

You've turned this thread into your own personal soapbox on racism in general and then when people don't want to play along, you think it's because you're won an argument or something. So let me just deflate you and then we can move on to something other than reading Tim Wise the Antiracist repeating the same shit we've already read in this thread 1000x.

Do you know where "cultural ideas about black criminality" come from? Look up statistics on violent crime sometime, or look at how some black hip-hop artists WANT themselves to be perceived - as gangsters, cold-blooded killers. You want to confront reality? The reality is that it's not racist whites forcing blacks to invade homes, form mobs to loot stores, pull triggers, or to glorify the thug culture.

In New York City, which is 23% black, blacks committed 66% of violent crimes and 80% of shootings in Jan-Jun 2009. Whites, 35% of the population, committed 5% of violent crimes and 1.5% of shootings. So, if the news reports violent crimes proportionally, there would be thirteen times as many blacks as whites shown. If they limit it to shootings, then it would be 53 times as many. If you have statistics backing up your claim "If you watch the news everyday, you will see a disproportionately high number of black violent criminals and a disproportionately high number of white victims" then please feel free to share it.

So how does that justify someone following someone who was doing nothing wrong?

 

[Deadstar]

There should be a new police force that polices the police.

 

[Kreed]

You've turned this thread into your own personal soapbox on racism in general and then when people don't want to play along, you think it's because you're won an argument or something. So let me just deflate you and then we can move on to something other than reading Tim Wise the Antiracist repeating the same shit we've already read in this thread 1000x.

Do you know where "cultural ideas about black criminality" come from? Look up statistics on violent crime sometime, or look at how some black hip-hop artists WANT themselves to be perceived - as gangsters, cold-blooded killers. You want to confront reality? The reality is that it's not racist whites forcing blacks to invade homes, form mobs to loot stores, pull triggers, or to glorify the thug culture.

In New York City, which is 23% black, blacks committed 66% of violent crimes and 80% of shootings in Jan-Jun 2009. Whites, 35% of the population, committed 5% of violent crimes and 1.5% of shootings. So, if the news reports violent crimes proportionally, there would be thirteen times as many blacks as whites shown. If they limit it to shootings, then it would be 53 times as many. If you have statistics backing up your claim "If you watch the news everyday, you will see a disproportionately high number of black violent criminals and a disproportionately high number of white victims" then please feel free to share it.

You could have saved yourself the trouble writing this post and just read the responses Smaug got a few posts earlier, because that's exactly what you're going to get.

 

[Professor Beef]

There should be a new police force that polices the police.

But who will police them!?

 

[Enron]

so everyone was blaming the racist cops, and it turns out it was the state prosecutors that threw up the stop signs?

 

[Open Source]

So how does that justify someone following someone who was doing nothing wrong?

I never argued that it did, so why would you ask that?

Following someone isn't a crime, though.

 

[Raxus]

so everyone was blaming the racist cops, and it turns out it was the state prosecutors that threw up the stop signs?

Fuck the police?

 

[Mortrialus]

so everyone was blaming the racist cops, and it turns out it was the state prosecutors that threw up the stop signs?

The police investigation was still blatantly incompetent.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

You've turned this thread into your own personal soapbox on racism in general and then when people don't want to play along, you think it's because you're won an argument or something. So let me just deflate you and then we can move on to something other than reading Tim Wise the Antiracist repeating the same shit we've already read in this thread 1000x.

Do you know where "cultural ideas about black criminality" come from? Look up statistics on violent crime sometime, or look at how some black hip-hop artists WANT themselves to be perceived - as gangsters, cold-blooded killers. You want to confront reality? The reality is that it's not racist whites forcing blacks to invade homes, form mobs to loot stores, pull triggers, or to glorify the thug culture.

In New York City, which is 23% black, blacks committed 66% of violent crimes and 80% of shootings in Jan-Jun 2009. Whites, 35% of the population, committed 5% of violent crimes and 1.5% of shootings. So, if the news reports violent crimes proportionally, there would be thirteen times as many blacks as whites shown. If they limit it to shootings, then it would be 53 times as many. If you have statistics backing up your claim "If you watch the news everyday, you will see a disproportionately high number of black violent criminals and a disproportionately high number of white victims" then please feel free to share it.

And here... we... go.

 

[ffdgh]

heh so zimmerman's father is a retired judge. not only that but he had another arrest thrown out as well. wonder if any of those facts will be talked about on right wing shows.

...well this explains alot.