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[Zoe]

Do we even know if he knew Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch? If he did why would he be trying to get away?

Considering he was just a visitor, that's very unlikely unless Zimmerman marked his car.

 

[Saint Gregory]

This has nothing to do with race. I would be saying the exact same thing if it was a white kid who was shot here. Young men will sometimes let their emotions get the best of them, myself included, so I could relate to someone wanting to know what this dude's problem was. Everyone is different.

That much is clear.

Do whe even know if he knew Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch? If he did why would he be trying to get away?

Considering he was just a visitor, that's very unlikely unless Zimmerman marked his car.

This brings up another question I have, and I'm really not trying to be funny here. Is it normal for the neighborhood watch to be patroling the neighborhood in a car? I think the story now is that he was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon but why did he feel that he had a right to follow him instead of just reporting it to the police and letting them handle the situation?

 

[Gorechylde]

I keep asking this and I still haven't seen a reasonable answer. Why would Trayvon do this? What motivation would he have to not simply get back to his family as soon as possible?

We already know based on his 911 calls that Zimmerman is a paranoid wackjob so why is his account more credible than common sense?

No need to apologize, I must have misunderstood you too.

Do we know anything about Trayvon? Everyone is using Zimmerman's past offenses to paint a character portrait. Trayvon's past seems to be off limits or non-existent. Does he seem like the type of person that would double back to confront a stalker? I've read rumors of pictures with firearms and such, but I haven't seen any of them(And wouldn't know what to make of them if they were real. Kids do stupid shit on facebook that doesn't necessarily reflect who they are). I haven't seen anything regarding Trayvon other than the circumstances of his death.

Also, unrelated, if Zimmerman did succeed in catching up to Trayvon a second time; why wouldn't Trayvon run away a second time? What changed?

 

[Dram]

Wasn't Martin suspicious of Zimmerman before Zimmerman had a chance to get out of the car?

Zimmerman said in the 911 call that Martin was running from him. So if Martin was suspicious of Zimmerman he was running away from him, not towards him.

 

[Open Source]

Got a citation for that? Or are you going to try to tell me that, e.g., there is no "thug" Latino subculture.


They have diminished? So what fraction of the disproportionate black crime rate is due to the inherent criminality of blacks? What fraction of the disproportionate black poverty rate is due to the inherent laziness of blacks?

Good grief. You are trying to imply that I think black people are inherently flawed in some way? Absolutely not. People are people, doesn't matter what color they are. They respond to their environments, and they respond to incentives and disincentives. They adopt the values and morals of those around them. If someone sees the value in working hard, or he's been raised to work hard, he's more likely to work hard. If he's in a system or situation that doesn't make it worthwhile, or if his work ethic was insufficiently developed, he's less likely to. If his peers and his role models are amenable to criminal behavior, he's more likely to become so himself, especially if his formative years are spent with those peers in the absence of strong parental figures. Your implication that there is a self-perpetuating cycle there is correct, but racism is (in my opinion) only a small component of what keeps that cycle going. I'd point instead at an education system that is not customized enough to meet the needs of black students (unintentional racism? perhaps) and that is run as much for the benefit of employees and admins as it is for the students. And I'd also point to a correctional system that does little to nothing to rehabilitate criminals to become law-abiding members of society (I have no doubt that there is racism at work here - people aren't motivated to fix it because a high percentage of those directly affected are black).

There are plenty of subcultures that embrace the trappings of criminality, if not criminality itself. But in my personal experience (and feel free to contradict this with data), I've not seen it as pervasive and as absorbed into self-identity among, say, poor Filipino or Indian families.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Do whe even know if he knew Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch? If he did why would he be trying to get away?

He didn't live there so I doubt it. Why should he allow himself to be followed some strange man anyway?

 

[weepy]

I'm 6'6" 290 and when I was 17 and impetuous, I might have said to myself, in a moment where irritation got the better of prudence, "What the fuck is this guy's problem? I'm going to ask him."

Why do you think Martin decided to turn around (assuming he actually did)?

You're a big guy. And based on the description given of Treyvon he was shorter than you and made up of lean muscle at best. I wouldn't doubt teenage arrogance hasn't played a role in this confrontation but I'm a bit skeptical.

 

[Dram]

Do we know anything about Trayvon? Everyone is using Zimmerman's past offenses to paint a character portrait. Trayvon's past seems to be off limits or non-existent. Does he seem like the type of person that would double back to confront a stalker? I've read rumors of pictures with firearms and such, but I haven't seen any of them(And wouldn't know what to make of them if they were real. Kids do stupid shit on facebook that doesn't necessarily reflect who they are). I haven't seen anything regarding Trayvon other than the circumstances of his death.

Also, unrelated, if Zimmerman did succeed in catching up to Trayvon a second time; why wouldn't Trayvon run away a second time? What changed?

Does any of that matter? I don't think Zimmerman knew Trayvon before the shooting. If Martin was a dangerous person why would Zimmerman get out of his car and confront him?

 

[LuCkymoON]

Is there evidence to support this? In the tape, Zimmerman tells the dispatcher to have the patrolmen "go past the mail boxes and look for his truck" then he asks to have them call him when they get there. I took it as Zimmerman wanting to walk the patrolmen through finding his location, not that he wouldn't be where he said he would be. I very well could be wrong though. Do we have a layout of the neighborhood?(would the directions be something that he would want to give out in real time? I do that sometimes when trying to direct people to my house so they don't have to memorize a bunch of turns)

Do we know if Zimmerman got back in his SUV and continued the search or was searching on foot? Zimmerman states that it is raining in the beginning of the call so I don't see him going on foot, but I could be wrong. Also, does anyone know where exactly the shooting took place with regards to the original location that Zimmerman gave the dispatcher?(I want to know where Zimmerman initially stopped, got out of his vehicle and began following Trayvon before losing him and where that relates to the location of the shooting. That could give us some insight as to whether Zimmerman did renew his search or not.)Also, when did the altercation take place(time of day)? Has that been in any of the articles and I'm just glossing over it?

the shooting took place on a pass through between houses, there is no vehicle access.

 

[Derwind]

Just like I don't see that cartoon as anything more than one jackasses cartoon.

This isn't just one jackass cartoon, there have been cartoons and media coverage that have not only been making light of this young boys death but actually using it to push a fucking agenda. The fact that it happened in Florida doesn't change the how the response to the kids death went down. I'm sorry if that makes me unreasonable but with this, the other inflammatory cartoons, the fake Trayvon in gangsta pose.. ect... I'm pretty fucking disgusted with how the mass media(lets say politically far right winged) reflected this kid. It's a character fucking assassination.... a mockery of the case.

 

[Saint Gregory]

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Do we know anything about Trayvon? Everyone is using Zimmerman's past offenses to paint a character portrait. Trayvon's past seems to be off limits or non-existent. Does he seem like the type of person that would double back to confront a stalker? I've read rumors of pictures with firearms and such, but I haven't seen any of them(And wouldn't know what to make of them if they were real. Kids do stupid shit on facebook that doesn't necessarily reflect who they are). I haven't seen anything regarding Trayvon other than the circumstances of his death.

Also, unrelated, if Zimmerman did succeed in catching up to Trayvon a second time; why wouldn't Trayvon run away a second time? What changed?

We actually do know a lot about Trayvon, at least as much as you can know about a 17 year-old and he had no history of violence on record and no one has come forward (yet) to say otherwise. He was tall but very skinny so unless he was super strong I'm not sure why he would confront a strange 28 year-old man, regardless of how hyped he was on puberty juice.

We also don't have any evidence that he ran away other than Zimmerman telling the 911 operator that he was running. Trayvon's girlfriend said that he told her he was going to walk faster which may have seemed like running if you're a paranoid wackjob (maybe).

Also, based on the last couple of days I don't know how anyone could say that Trayvon is off limits. As a dead teenager he should be though.

the shooting took place on a pass through between houses, there is no vehicle access.

I didn't know about this. If true how does Zimmerman explain this while saying he was attacked heading back to his car?

 

[Log4Girlz]

I just had an argument about this. The person was saying that he thought Trayvon had to have attacked Zimmerman. I said I wouldn't allow myself to be stalked by someone either. Who the fuck would? You either run or you, heh, you "stand your ground".

I think stand your ground only applies to armed non-black americans. :/

 

[Xenon]

He didn't live there so I doubt it. Why should he allow himself to be followed some strange man anyway?

That was my point of mentioning why Martin misinterpret Zimmerman's intentions. But I was trying to make sense of the situation by trying to understand what may have been going through their minds. So its reasonable to say if Martin felt threatened his actions to get away from Zimmerman could be perceived as suspicious by Zimmerman.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

That was my point of mentioning why Martin misinterpret Zimmerman's intentions. But I was trying to make sense of the situation by trying to understand what may have been going through their minds. So its reasonable to say if Martin felt threatened his actions to get away from Zimmerman could be perceived as suspicious by Zimmerman.

But Zimmerman reported Martin as suspicious before he tried to get away.

 

[Zoe]

We also don't have any evidence that he ran away other than Zimmerman telling the 911 operator that he was running. Trayvon's girlfriend said that he told her he was going to walk faster which may have seemed like running if you're a paranoid wackjob (maybe).

It could have been "running" in the sense of "trying to lose him."

Edit: that could have been the point where Martin left the street/sidewalk to go between the houses

 

[Gordon Shumway]

That was my point of mentioning why Martin misinterpret Zimmerman's intentions. But I was trying to make sense of the situation by trying to understand what may have been going through their minds. So its reasonable to say if Martin felt threatened his actions to get away from Zimmerman could be perceived as suspicious by Zimmerman.

Except he was suspicious BEFORE he ran from Mr. Zimmerman, remember? Since he didn't recognize him, he called the police because of the suspicious man who looked like there was something wrong with him...like he was on drugs.

 

[Xenon]

But Zimmerman reported Martin as suspicious before he tried to get away.

AND, it made it more suspicious when he ran away.



I think this is pointless... people only want to see this from one point of view.

 

[Saint Gregory]

But Zimmerman reported Martin as suspicious before he tried to get away.

As has been pointed out many times. Zimmerman thought he was suspicious when he saw him walking down the street, talking on the phone and looking at house. Certainly something you should never do in a strange neighborhood I guess.

It could have been "running" in the sense of "trying to lose him."

If this really happened in between house that would make it very plausible that Trayvon was trying to lose him. None of that should be held against Trayvon though since Zimmerman had no right to be pursuing him in the first place, regardless of whether or not he found him to be suspicious.

I think this is pointless... people only want to see this from one point of view.

No, what's pointless is you trying to find a justification here. Zimmerman was not a police officer and had no right to track or be concerned about Trayvon other than his paranoid 911 call.

 

[Derwind]

AND, it made it more suspicious when he ran away.



I think this is pointless... people only want to see this from one point of view.

One point of view?

Going from what you're saying...

Zimmerman found Martin suspicious(based on his "clothing", his "walk" ... not his skin colour though of course), Martin decides to run away from the stranger following him, Zimmermans baseless, nonexistent suspicions are proven (to him) because the kid runs away...

His suspicions are still baseless and nonexistent. What could possibly justify the actions he took after he called the police?

 

[Gorechylde]

Does any of that matter? I don't think Zimmerman knew Trayvon before the shooting. If Martin was a dangerous person why would Zimmerman get out of his car and confront him?

Was Zimmerman going for confrontation or surveillance? Zimmerman got out of his car to follow him. We don't really know what happened in the minute or two after Zimmerman hung up the phone the first time. We have one side saying Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman on the way back to his SUV(Zimmerman's testimony) and Martin's girlfriend saying she heard Zimmerman say "what are you doing here?" before the call was ended. This could be Zimmerman catching up to Martin or Martin approaching Zimmerman. I don't know which scenario is more plausible. Given the location, how far was Zimmerman's SUV from the scene(Did he see him from the truck and make chase on foot again?) and do we believe Zimmerman could catch Martin on foot?

 

[Gorechylde]

As has been pointed out many times. Zimmerman thought he was suspicious when he saw him walking down the street, talking on the phone and looking at house. Certainly something you should never do in a strange neighborhood I guess.

If this really happened in between house that would make it very plausible that Trayvon was trying to lose him. None of that should be held against Trayvon though since Zimmerman had no right to be pursuing him in the first place, regardless of whether or not he found him to be suspicious.

No, what's pointless is you trying to find a justification here. Zimmerman was not a police officer and had no right to track or be concerned about Trayvon other than his paranoid 911 call.

Zimmerman called it in because Martin was standing on the sidewalk in the rain looking at the houses("casing" according to the tape). Martin then turned to look at him before approaching his vehicle. Then Martin ran.

Also, not directed at you, is it illegal to follow someone? I have no idea.

 

[Onemic]

AND, it made it more suspicious when he ran away.



I think this is pointless... people only want to see this from one point of view.

What's your point exactly? Really, I want to know this because right now you're making no sense.

 

[kame-sennin]

Well, that non specificity is one of the things that bothers me most when stories like this start stirring up people's emotions. They start making generalizations.

Such as people and the media saying things like "What kind of an unjust country do we live in where a man can be shot for no reason, and the shooter is not charged".

My thoughts go something like this. "Man, what a fucked up police department they must have in that town this happened in".

I don't jump to massive conclusions about an entire country full of 300 million people, and thousands of police departments over one case. Those giant generalizations irk me to no end.

I'm very confident that if this exact situation played out in 10 different locations in America, 9 of those times the shooter would have been immediately charged with a crime. It just so happened this occurred at just the right place, with the wrong people in charge, and it's turned into a mess. I do not see this as some sort of statement about the entire United States of America. Just like I don't see that cartoon as anything more than one jackasses cartoon.

That's because you are choosing to ignore the long history of unprosecuted violence against people of color in the U.S.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Was Zimmerman going for confrontation or surveillance? Zimmerman got out of his car to follow him. We don't really know what happened in the minute or two after Zimmerman hung up the phone the first time. We have one side saying Trayvon ambushed Zimmerman on the way back to his SUV(Zimmerman's testimony) and Martin's girlfriend saying she heard Zimmerman say "what are you doing here?" before the call was ended. This could be Zimmerman catching up to Martin or Martin approaching Zimmerman. I don't know which scenario is more plausible. Given the location, how far was Zimmerman's SUV from the scene(Did he see him from the truck and make chase on foot again?) and do we believe Zimmerman could catch Martin on foot?

Zimmerman called it in because Martin was standing on the sidewalk in the rain looking at the houses("casing" according to the tape). Martin then turned to look at him before approaching his vehicle. Then Martin ran.

Also, not directed at you, is it illegal to follow someone? I have no idea.

This is it for me, I have to go to bed, but let's be serious here. Enough devil's advocate.

Without making any judgements or bringing racial issues into this, we have one person with a documented history of violence, a clear paranoia about "suspicious" people in his neighborhood, a desire to become a police officer and a gun that he travels with when he goes grocery shopping.

Then we have another person who is in a strange place, went to the store to buy a drink and candy, is walking home while talking to his girlfriend and is trying to get back in time to watch a game with his family.

Which of these two people are more likely to start a confrontation with the other?

As far as the hoodie thing goes, hiding your face make you look more menacing. Its a fact. Maybe its its the fact that I grew up on the city but hiding your face is a huge red flag.

Pretty sure that the hood went up after he noticed that he was being followed. But please, continue...

 

[Xenon]

One point of view?

Going from what your saying...

Zimmerman found Martin suspicious(based on his "clothing", his "walk" ... not his skin colour though of course), Martin decides to run away from the stranger following him, Zimmermans baseless, nonexistent suspicions are proven (to him) because the kid runs away...

His suspicions are still baseless and nonexistent. What could possibly justify the actions he took after he called the police?

The fact that there have been a rash of robberies in the area. At least I have a feeling it was a strong motivation. As someone who has a family I can say one of the biggest fears is having a your wife or kids home when this happens and something happening to them. It may not be justification but it sure is motivation.

As far as the hoodie thing goes, hiding your face makes you look more menacing. Its a fact. Maybe its its the fact that I grew up on the city but hiding your face is a huge red flag.


edit... Also there is no law against following someone.

 

[Dram]

It was raining though. And having your hoodie up doesn't make you a criminal.

 

[Zoe]

It was raining though. And having your hoodie up doesn't make you a criminal.

The hoodie didn't go up until he noticed he was being followed.

 

[cousins]

"I'm tired of me and my white brethren being stereotyped and generalized"

Is most of what I'm getting from everyone on the opposing side of this issue. Jesus christ. Go cry yourself to stormfront.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Walking in the rain with hood on shouldn't be an issue. Read in this very thread that walking in the rain is some sort of "red flag" as well, very confusing.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

The fact that there have been a rash of robberies in the area. At least I have a feeling it was a strong motivation. As someone who has a family I can say one of the biggest fears is having a your wife or kids home when this happens and something happening to them. It may not be justification but it sure is motivation.

As far as the hoodie thing goes, hiding your face make you look more menacing. Its a fact. Maybe its its the fact that I grew up on the city but hiding your face is a huge red flag.

It's kind of depressing (or maybe saddening is a better term) to see people like yourself make these excuses for why Zimmerman was just in stalking and harassing a kid yet the kid is not allowed to do the simplest things like walk down the street, wear a fucking hoodie in the rain, or act "suspicious" when he notices a stranger in an SUV is following him.

There being a string of burglaries in the area doesn't give a glorified rent a cop the right to confront someone, that's what the police are for.

 

[cousins]

Walking in the rain with hood on shouldn't be an issue. Read in this very thread that walking in the rain is some sort of "red flag" as well, very confusing.

It's just people victim blaming.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

There being a string of burglaries in the area doesn't give a glorified rent a cop the right to confront someone, that's what the police are for.

Same police that asked him not to pursue...

 

[Onemic]

The fact that there have been a rash of robberies in the area. At least I have a feeling it was a strong motivation. As someone who has a family I can say one of the biggest fears is having a your wife or kids home when this happens and something happening to them. It may not be justification but it sure is motivation.

As far as the hoodie thing goes, hiding your face makes you look more menacing. Its a fact. Maybe its its the fact that I grew up on the city but hiding your face is a huge red flag.


edit... Also there is no law against following someone.

1- he had a hoodie, but didn't have the hood on. Even if he did why would it matter? Especially when it's raining?

2 - It may not be against the law to follow someone, but you're being extremely disingenuous if you think that stalking someone isn't threatening to the person that is being stalked. Unless you think stalking people is fine.

3 - He should have called the police and left it at that. Instead he continued to stalk him and eventually got out of his car to chase him, even when the police told him not to. I don't think it's hard to see that to the person being stalked/chased that they would probably be fearing for their damn lives at that point.

 

[Saint Gregory]

It's kind of depressing to see people like yourself make these excuses for why Zimmerman was just in stalking and harassing a kid yet the kid is not allowed to do the simplest things like walk down the street, wear a fucking hoodie in the rain, or act "suspicious" when he notices a stranger in an SUV is following him.

There being a string of burglaries in the area doesn't give a glorified rent a cop the right to confront someone, that's what the police are for.

And he wasn't even that. He was a volunteer for the neighborhood watch. A security guard would have at least had a uniform and some authority.

Should I find it strange that so many of the Zimmerman defenders are putting themselves into roles of the frightened homeowner instead of the role of the frightened teenager being stalked? Probably not.

 

[daegan]

Should I find it strange that so many of the Zimmerman defenders are putting themselves into roles of the frightened homeowner instead of the role of the frightened teenager being stalked? Probably not.

Clearly they've never been followed by someone looking for a fight.

 

[MiniBossBattle]

So, is Zimmerman going to be arrested?

 

[Xenon]

It's kind of depressing to see people like yourself make these excuses for why Zimmerman was just in stalking and harassing a kid yet the kid is not allowed to do the simplest things like walk down the street, wear a fucking hoodie in the rain, or act "suspicious" when he notices a stranger in an SUV is following him.

There being a string of burglaries in the area doesn't give a glorified rent a cop the right to confront someone, that's what the police are for.

Did I excuse him? I said I understand his motivation. I also am trying to point out that both people misunderstood the others intention.


Also the fact that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from the back of his head shows that more went down than just a kid getting shot over skittles. But people seem to keep forgetting that fact. Yes I know that profiling is what started the events to take place. But it is not why the boy was shot. Something else happened which is all I was responding to. But sure, we should just ignore the facts of this case because you want this to be about a bigger issue of racial profiling problems in this country. Yes it is a problem but there is more to this case than just that.

 

[GaimeGuy]

And he wasn't even that. He was a volunteer for the neighborhood watch. A security guard would have at least had a uniform and some authority.

Should I find it strange that so many of the Zimmerman defenders are putting themselves into roles of the frightened homeowner instead of the role of the frightened teenager being stalked? Probably not.

No he wasn't. Not that it gives him any authority, but he wasn't even a part of Neighborhood Watch. (Although all that means is he getes some pamphlets and stuff in the mail, goes to a few seminars on neighborhood safety, being a good neighbor, and also removes all firearms from his home.)

 

[Log4Girlz]

Also the fact that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from the back of his head shows that more went down than just a kid getting shot over skittles. But people seem to keep forgetting that fact.

Yeah, the minor 140 pounds lighter than Zimmerman definitely got shot for more than just skittles. Poor Zimmerman, all he was doing is stalking a young defenseless black minor and started an altercation. We keep forgetting that. :/

 

[GaimeGuy]

Did I excuse him? I said I understand his motivation. I also am trying to point out that both people misunderstood the others intention.


Also the fact that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from the back of his head shows that more went down than just a kid getting shot over skittles. But people seem to keep forgetting that fact. Yes I know that profiling is what started the events to take place. But it is not why the boy was shot. Something else happened which is all I was responding to. But sure, we should just ignore the facts of this case because you want this to be about a bigger issue of racial profiling problems in this country. Yes it is a problem but there is more to this case than just that.

these injuries were not mentioned in the initial police report, nor were they serious enough for the police to take zimmerman to the hospital. I'm suspicious of any head trauma for zimmerman actually occuring because the police would have taken him to the hospital and mentioned the injuries in his initial report, and taken photographs as evidence

 

[empty vessel]

Zimmerman called it in because Martin was standing on the sidewalk in the rain looking at the houses("casing" according to the tape). Martin then turned to look at him before approaching his vehicle. Then Martin ran.

What? No, that's not even a plausible interpretation of the tape. Zimmerman never said that Martin was "standing" anywhere. Nor did he say he was "casing" anything. What he said was "there's a real suspicious guy .... This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about. ... he's just walking around the area ... looking at all the houses. ... Now he's just staring at me. ... Now he's coming towards me. ... He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male. ... Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands."

So, basically, he was a bipedal, ambulatory human being with his eyes open and something in his hands. Oh, and black!

Also, not directed at you, is it illegal to follow someone? I have no idea.

The legality of conduct has no relevance to whether self-defense is ever justified.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Did I excuse him? I said I understand his motivation. I also am trying to point out that both people misunderstood the others intention.


Also the fact that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from the back of his head shows that more went down than just a kid getting shot over skittles. But people seem to keep forgetting that fact. Yes I know that profiling is what started the events to take place. But it is not why the boy was shot. Something else happened which is all I was responding to. But sure, we should just ignore the facts of this case because you want this to be about a bigger issue of racial profiling problems in this country. Yes it is a problem but there is more to this case than just that.

I don't give a fuck about racial profiling.

And those wounds were so severe he didn't even require a hospital visit. AFAIK they also didn't even include them in the police report. Just more things we hear about after the fact, as people try to cover their tracks.

If you're going to put a bullet into a kid you'd better be about an inch away from losing your life. Not upset your nose is bleeding.

 

[Devolution]

A reminder, Zimmerman wasn't even part of any official Neighborhood Watch Organization for that community which get NSA (National Sheriffs' Association) pamphlets on what is allowed and what is not.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I don't give a fuck about racial profiling.

And those wounds were so severe he didn't even require a hospital visit. AFAIK they also didn't even include them in the police report. Just more things we hear about after the fact, as people try to cover their tracks.

If you're going to put a bullet into a kid you'd better be about an inch away from losing your life. Not upset your nose is bleeding.

No no. Now someone is gonna ask how long he should take a beating before fearing for his life. Because to him, he was about to see the pearly gates. Who are we to determine how threatened he felt? Yeah, shit like that.

 

[Xenon]

I don't give a fuck about racial profiling.

And those wounds were so severe he didn't even require a hospital visit. AFAIK they also didn't even include them in the police report. Just more things we hear about after the fact, as people try to cover their tracks.

If you're going to put a bullet into a kid you'd better be about an inch away from losing your life. Not upset your nose is bleeding.

I never said I thought the shooting was justified. But it's a far cry from "He shot a kid for wearing a hoodie and holding skittles" that was first presented to the public.

 

[Dram]

I never said I thought the shooting was justified. But it's a far cry from "He shot a kid for wearing a hoodie and holding skittles" that was first presented to the public.

Isn't that what happened though?

 

[soundahfekz]

The fact that there have been a rash of robberies in the area. At least I have a feeling it was a strong motivation. As someone who has a family I can say one of the biggest fears is having a your wife or kids home when this happens and something happening to them. It may not be justification but it sure is motivation.

As far as the hoodie thing goes, hiding your face makes you look more menacing. Its a fact. Maybe its its the fact that I grew up on the city but hiding your face is a huge red flag.


edit... Also there is no law against following someone.

L O FUCKING L


I've seen some of your work, Xenon. Your reputation precedes you.

 

[Onemic]

I never said I thought the shooting was justified. But it's a far cry from "He shot a kid for wearing a hoodie and holding skittles" that was first presented to the public.

It's not far from it though. He profiled him,(for no real reason) stalked him, chased him down, and when the altercation wasn't in his favour he shot him. What they said isn't that far from what happened.

 

[Devolution]

L O FUCKING L


I've seen some of your work, Xenon. Your reputation precedes you.

Why wear a hoodie when it's rainin' tho.

 

[soundahfekz]

Why wear a hoodie when it's rainin' tho.

Why we still got hoodies?