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[Baconsammy]

Yeah, because that makes sense given what we already know as a fact, leading up to Zimmerman exiting his vehicle. He just confronted Martin, they exchanged words and then Zimmerman casually turned to walk back to his crime stopping mobile. It's at this point that he's attacked from behind by a 140 lb. Martin and is forced to draw his weapon and fire.

Your version is no more based in fact than mine, or anyone else's that wasn't there. I could definitely see a situation in which I was being stalked by Zimmerman, he finally catches up to me and I realize he's not trying to kill me but is instead tailing me because he thinks I'm up to no good merely because of how I look. I might get pissed enough to clock the racist motherfucker when he walks away from me. Especially if I've lived a life with numerous driving/walking-while-black occurences by actual cops. Now some piece of shit nobody does it to me? Fuck him. Bam. Just a hypothetical on how I think I'd react to that situation.

Because Zimmermans father is a retired judge. There is no reason for the state attorney to deny an arrest in this case, without some form of corruption.

This is what that new investigator better answer for. And this is why I'm glad that guy in the House did what he did today. Keep the story front and center and force all the information out.

 

[Kinitari]

Your version is no more based in fact than mine, or anyone else's that wasn't there. I could definitely see a situation in which I was being stalked by Zimmerman, he finally catches up to me and I realize he's not trying to kill me but is instead tailing me because he thinks I'm up to no good merely because of how I look. I might get pissed enough to clock the racist motherfucker when he walks away from me. Especially if I've lived a life with numerous driving/walking-while-black occurences by actual cops. Now some piece of shit nobody does it to me? Fuck him. Bam. Just a hypothetical on how I think I'd react to that situation.

Even if that happened, that doesn't match any story presented.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

His dad is a retired judge.

OR...

Florida is more of a fucked up place than anyone can imagine. A questionable story, with no evidence, a dead minor, and a scott free shooter with a record. Someone just wrote down the Castle Doctrine/Self Defense on his paperwork whatever that would be...Meaning he couldn't be arrested under the law. But no due diligence was done.

I mean they drug tested the dead body -_- not Zimmerman.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...st-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin/1222259

yep. I don't understand how anyone could not demand a trial. more than enough question marks to warrant a trial and a maximum account for what happened. SOMEONE IS DEAD. Sometimes, I think people forget that.

 

[AiTM]

How can you call others out on assumptions when you are making them yourself.

Im completely assuming everything. I dont think I implied what I was saying was fact.

 

[Baconsammy]

Even if that happened, that doesn't match any story presented.

There hasn't been an official story presented. Just a bunch of facts from his lawyer and from witnesses that contradict the facts presented by other witnesses.

 

[commedieu]

Your version is no more based in fact than mine, or anyone else's that wasn't there. I could definitely see a situation in which I was being stalked by Zimmerman, he finally catches up to me and I realize he's not trying to kill me but is instead tailing me because he thinks I'm up to no good merely because of how I look. I might get pissed enough to clock the racist motherfucker when he walks away from me. Especially if I've lived a life with numerous driving/walking-while-black occurences by actual cops. Now some piece of shit nobody does it to me? Fuck him. Bam. Just a hypothetical on how I think I'd react to that situation.

Its not his version though is it? When you have witness testimony putting Zimmerman confronting Trayvon, phone records backing this up, and then the scuffle & shooting happened. Trayvon reserved the right to stand his ground when confronted. Why is that not factored in?

There hasn't been an official story presented. Just a bunch of facts from his lawyer and from witnesses that contradict the facts presented by other witnesses.

Nothing contradicts his girlfriends report. Just Zimmerman, who keeps altering his story like the police altered witness testimony.

 

[AiTM]

Thats what everyone ALWAYS forgets. It is as if Trayvon has absolutely no rights to possibly stand his ground to an armed felon that followed him. All of that is discounted, to back up Zimmermans claim.

Walking up to someone to ask what they are doing isnt a crime. Yes Trayvon would have been on the defensive in this scenario. Zimmerman is saying he turned around and walked towards his car, when Trayvon attacked him. Which would make Trayvon they attacker if that was true.

 

[MightyHealthy]

The 911 call is bs.. It was a misinterpretation of a news report.

It's not a misinterpretation. It's false reporting, if it ends up being incorrect.

With all due respect to tattletailzz.com, ahem, is that story reported anywhere more respectable?

The webpage contains an embedded video of a story from ABC7 News in Chicago, a legitimate outlet.

Here is the direct link: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399

Transcript of the significant portion at the end:

Trayvon Martin made a 911 call shortly before his death, and the FBI is attempting to determine if that recording - which captured Zimmerman's voice in the background - can be audio enhanced to more clearly hear what was said.

And that may very well be the key to what happens next.

It's explicitly stated that the FBI had a 911 call from Trayvon Martin, in addition to explaining that they were working on the audio.

Either that local station got some bogus information, or it's actually true.

 

[Kinitari]

There hasn't been an official story presented. Just a bunch of facts from his lawyer and from witnesses that contradict the facts presented by other witnesses.

An official story means the case is over... Who's talking about that?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Walking up to someone to ask what they are doing isnt a crime. Yes Trayvon would have been on the defensive in this scenario. Zimmerman is saying he turned around and walked towards his car, when Trayvon attacked him. Which would make Trayvon they attacker if that was true.

which seems wholly suspect, don't you agree? given the changing stories, history of Zimmerman violence, distinct lack of historical Martin violence, and police misconduct?

Objectively, do you see a reason a rational person would believe that story for a fucking minute?

Seems more reasonable to believe that Zimmerman fucked up, knew he fucked up and got help/changes his story to avoid 25-life.

 

[MightyHealthy]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...st-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin/1222259

It really is a trip to go back and see some of the straight-up false bullshit Bill Lee spewed.

 

[Baconsammy]

Its not his version though is it? When you have witness testimony putting Zimmerman confronting Trayvon, phone records backing this up, and then the scuffle & shooting happened. Trayvon reserved the right to stand his ground when confronted. Why is that not factored in?



Nothing contradicts his girlfriends report.

His girlfriend says that Zimmerman pushing Trayvon caused his phone to drop. That can't be proven. Trayvon pushing Zimmerman could have caused the phone to drop. The contradiction here is that she's saying Zimmerman started the final altercation, whereas he says Trayvon did. It's a shame they dont have a recording of her call.

And now it's reported that the old people had to move out of their house due to Spike Lee's idiocy. I hope at the very least he's paying whatever costs they incur for his stupidity.

 

[Onemic]

Because of the time he was out, how he was dressed, and that he thought he was looking in windows. I really believe Zimmerman would have followed the exact same kid if he was white, and nothing else was different. I dont think he followed him solely because he was black. He has a history of playing neighborhood watch guy, and given all the people he probably watched or called the cops on, I would highly doubt all of them were black.

No way to prove Im right, or wrong tho. You can only assume. Again, thats what Im seeing here, alot of assumptions.

How he was dressed? I didn't know wearing a hoodie without the hood on is considered suspicious activity? And where are you getting "looking in windows" from? That's a hell of an assumption to make. Especially when zimemrman didn't even say he was doing such a thing.

 

[Zoe]

Walking up to someone to ask what they are doing isnt a crime. Yes Trayvon would have been on the defensive in this scenario. Zimmerman is saying he turned around and walked towards his car, when Trayvon attacked him. Which would make Trayvon they attacker if that was true.

Does Florida law allow for the agressor to flip sides and become the victim?

 

[Kinitari]

Walking up to someone to ask what they are doing isnt a crime. Yes Trayvon would have been on the defensive in this scenario. Zimmerman is saying he turned around and walked towards his car, when Trayvon attacked him. Which would make Trayvon they attacker if that was true.

Zimmerman is saying he never approached him, that he got out of his car for a second to check a street sign, and when he turned around, Martin somehow snuck up behind him and clocked him

 

[The Incarnation]

Im completely assuming everything. I dont think I implied what I was saying was fact.

Oh so you're just like that 2th character and playing devil's advocate...

Shame you weren't around at the same time.

 

[AiTM]

which seems wholly suspect, don't you agree? given the changing stories, history of Zimmerman violence, distinct lack of historical Martin violence, and police misconduct?

Objectively, do you see a reason a rational person would believe that story for a fucking minute?

Seems more reasonable to believe that Zimmerman fucked up, knew he fucked up and got help/changes his story to avoid 25-life.

Of course I see problems with Zimmermans story, and it is the least likely of the two scenarios. Zimmerman was an overzealous guard who thought he was protecting the neighborhood. I think he was an asshole to Trayvon, and Trayvon pushed or hit him, and a fight occured. Zimmerman pulled his gun while being beaten and fired.

But I really don't believe it was a racially motivated killing. And it disturbed me that is what its turning into.

How he was dressed? I didn't know wearing a hoodie without the hood on is considered suspicious activity? And where are you getting "looking in windows" from? That's a hell of an assumption to make. Especially when zimemrman didn't even say he was doing such a thing.

Wait I thought that was the whole thing, Zimmerman said he thought he was scoping houses or something. Thats why he called 911 I thought.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Zimmerman is saying he never approached him, that he got out of his car for a second to check a street sign, and when he turned around, Martin somehow snuck up behind him and clocked him

SOUNDS BELIEVABLE TO ME, SIR.

The worst part about the lie is that he expects sensible people to believe it.

 

[empty vessel]

But I really don't believe it was a racially motivated killing. And it disturbed me that is what its turning into.

It was almost certainly a racially motivated killing, even if Zimmerman's homicide was justified by self-defense. What you mean to say is that you do not believe Zimmerman consciously killed Martin because he was a black person.

 

[The Incarnation]

Of course I see problems with Zimmermans story, and it is the least likely of the two scenarios. Zimmerman was an overzealous guard who thought he was protecting the neighborhood. I think he was an asshole to Trayvon, and Trayvon pushed or hit him, and a fight occured. Zimmerman pulled his gun while being beaten and fired.

But I really don't believe it was a racially motivated killing. And it disturbed me that is what its turning into.

And I'm sure while Trayvon was beating him, he was shouting help, help me, in a panicked state like he had a gun pointed at him, all the while battering Zimmerman senseless...

 

[Onemic]

Wait I thought that was the whole thing, Zimmerman said he thought he was scoping houses or something. Thats why he called 911 I thought.

He said he looked like he was on drugs and looking at houses. That is definitely not the same as saying he was looking into windows.

 

[Arde5643]

Of course I see problems with Zimmermans story, and it is the least likely of the two scenarios. Zimmerman was an overzealous guard who thought he was protecting the neighborhood. I think he was an asshole to Trayvon, and Trayvon pushed or hit him, and a fight occured. Zimmerman pulled his gun while being beaten and fired.

But I really don't believe it was a racially motivated killing. And it disturbed me that is what its turning into.

Well, problem is the way this was handled - with the cops turning a blind eye towards Zimmerman's past, actually doing drug test on Trayvon's body instead of Zimmerman, hush-hushing witness accounts, and all fucking shady shit the chief of Police is doing.

Basically the whole thing feels like a regular day-to-day scenario back from the days of Mississippi Burning.

 

[Zoe]

Wait I thought that was the whole thing, Zimmerman said he thought he was scoping houses or something. Thats why he called 911 I thought.

http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

Zimmerman:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

 

[Dreams-Visions]

He said he looked like he was on drugs and looking at houses. That is definitely not the same as saying he was looking into windows.

it's so goddamn weird, man. You know what I do when I'm walking down the street? Looking at houses. Admiring their styling or construction. I may even stop and stare for a bit at the marble driveways some of the houses have.

I guess I should stop doing that, lest I be mistaken as a potential criminal casing joints.

 

[Baconsammy]

For clarification, here's a link to the leaked account that Zimmerman supposedly gave police the night it occurred.

Here

Why are so many people reporting he was visiting his dad's condo when it was his dad's Fiance's condo? Do your jobs, reporters.

 

[AiTM]

it's so goddamn weird, man. You know what I do when I'm walking down the street? Looking at houses. Admiring their styling or construction. I may even stop and stare for a bit at the marble driveways some of the houses have.

I guess I should stop doing that, lest I be mistaken as a potential criminal casing joints.

Go back a few pages and I said the same thing. Thats what you do when you walk home at night, you look at houses. Nothing else to do. Im not saying Zimmerman was justified in following Trayvon or calling the cops on him. I never said that. Im just saying I thought that was the reason Zimmerman thought he was up to something, and because there were burglaries in the area. My entire news source has been this thread, and it seems to constantly change though.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I hope people don't forget that a young kid was killed in all of this.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Walking up to someone to ask what they are doing isnt a crime. Yes Trayvon would have been on the defensive in this scenario. Zimmerman is saying he turned around and walked towards his car, when Trayvon attacked him. Which would make Trayvon they attacker if that was true.

So hold on. One guy can't fear for their life when he's being followed in the rain (I know, nothing illegal about following), by a dude in an SUV that has a visible gun on his waist? I mean, we all know Zimmerman went up to him with this cheery disposition to go politely ask this "asshole" if he was lost or something? Man...

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Go back a few pages and I said the same thing. Thats what you do when you walk home at night, you look at houses. Nothing else to do. Im not saying Zimmerman was justified in following Trayvon or calling the cops on him. I never said that. Im just saying I thought that was the reason Zimmerman thought he was up to something, and because there were burglaries in the area. My entire news source has been this thread, and it seems to constantly change though.

understood.

 

[Ponn]

When I look at the case, I try to piece it together with what info we have and look at it logically like the court or jury should and will. Without a lot of emotion.

But looking at just straight on theres some things I don't get or understand. I don't know how a person can clearly instigate all this, regardless of the whole inbetween part, and shoot and kill a young man and go to bed at night or turn yourself in out of pure guilt. How do you sit there or look in the mirror and say "I killed this person, and it was my fault and i'm ok with going on with my life"

The other thing is how they are not putting him in jail purely out of his own safety. I mean, people were threating casey anthony, this is on a whole different level. How does this guy not shit his pants at every little noise.

Lastly and related, IF he does get off, what kind of life is he really expecting in his mind? Between the whole guilt thing and wondering if he would even make it out of courthouse doors without being shot and then his chances of being shot or killed increasing every minute after that, what kind of life is he really expecting. I mean, if he did even 10 or 20 years and getting off early with probabtion at the very least he has to realize that would lower tensions exponetially and he wouldn't have to fear for the rest of his life.

 

[Neuromancer]

The logic that a widely and robustly observed phenomenon occurring within the criminal justice system is at work in this case? You might need to explain your objection, because it doesn't make any sense at all to me. Especially in light of your already expressed agreement with the conclusion that Martin's race matters.



CL Bryant is not a former leader of the NAACP. He was the former president of the NAACP’s Garland, Texas Chapter. And he's a right-wing nut job.

"Reverend C L Bryant says that Rush Limbaugh facilitated his conversion from NAACP leadership to a pro active-tea party- right wing conservative position"

http://www.holeinthehull.com/2011/10/rev-cl-bryants-conversion-from-the-naacp-to-the-right.html

Oh yeah you're right, guy sounds like a lunatic now.

 

[AiTM]

Did Zimmerman live in the area for a while? Its also entirely possible that he thought something was suspect about Trayvon because he had never seen him before. My parents house was recently broken into, and the police told them that their had been over 40 similar break ins in the area within the past month, and to report anyone that you dont recognize living there. Thats not itself a racist act because he happened to be black. He didnt live in the area.

 

[Kinitari]

For clarification, here's a link to the leaked account that Zimmerman supposedly gave police the night it occurred.

Here

Why are so many people reporting he was visiting his dad's condo when it was his dad's Fiance's condo? Do your jobs, reporters.

That was his original account eh? Vastly different than "I listened to the dispatcher, didn't follow him anymore - but got out to check the street sign, and was jumped from behind when returning to my car".

 

[commedieu]

Walking up to someone to ask what they are doing isnt a crime. Yes Trayvon would have been on the defensive in this scenario. Zimmerman is saying he turned around and walked towards his car, when Trayvon attacked him. Which would make Trayvon they attacker if that was true.

Neither is walking.

If trayvon felt his life was in danger, its perfectly legal for Trayvon to stand his ground and use lethal force. After all, the man confronting him was armed. Zimmermans ever changing story still doesn't clear him from an attack by someone who thinks he is going back to their car for more lethal weapons.

When Trayvon asked Zimmerman why he was following him, it was on him to identify himself to Trayvon. He didnt, he questioned what Trayvon was doing. Zimmerman had nothing but opportunity to change this death. Over and over again.

Clearly, we are only going to hear from Zimmerman that Trayvon attacked him. Either way, he shot him after stirring up this entire situation, cornering him, and confronting him. Trayvon has the same right to defend himself as Zimmerman had. But this thread ignores it every page.

Did Zimmerman live in the area for a while? Its also entirely possible that he thought something was suspect about Trayvon because he had never seen him before. My parents house was recently broken into, and the police told them that their had been over 40 similar break ins in the area within the past month, and to report anyone that you dont recognize living there. Thats not itself a racist act because he happened to be black. He didnt live in the area.

If your pretend job is to sheriff the community, you should be aware of people living there. So you just don't happen to accidentally murder them. No, that isn't a racist act. Can we get agree..? No one knows if Zimmerman is factually a racist, his actions are similar. But that argument needs to die here.

 

[JCreasy]

I swear this sounds like something out of a freakin movie!

Zimmerman says Trayvon asked if he had a problem, to which he replied "no," while reaching for his cell phone. He then claims that Trayvon said, "well, you do now," and proceeded to punch Zimmerman in the face.

Who says that in real life?

"Well, you do now"

I mean, who announces their attack like that! Only in fiction.

The kid originally RAN from him.

Why would he circle back to start a fight? Why not just confront him from the beginning?

This makes NO SENSE!

 

[Baconsammy]

That was his original account eh? Vastly different than "I listened to the dispatcher, didn't follow him anymore - but got out to check the street sign, and was jumped from behind when returning to my car".

And it doesn't match up to what Trayvon's girlfriend claims she heard.

 

[MightyHealthy]

This case is so bizarre now.

So the Sanford PD's investigation isn't as bad as it seemed (Bill Lee's oratory skills notwithstanding):

Sanford cops sought warrant to arrest George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting

Despite public claims that there wasn't enough probable cause to make a criminal case in the Trayvon Martin killing, early in the investigation the Sanford Police Department requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney's Office, the special prosecutor in the case told the Miami Herald on Tuesday.

A Sanford police incident report shows the case was categorized as "homicide/negligent manslaughter."

Also:

Zimmerman is saying he never approached him, that he got out of his car for a second to check a street sign, and when he turned around, Martin somehow snuck up behind him and clocked him

Don't forget he told his father that "at no time did [he] follow or confront Mr. Martin."

He is either:

a) lying to the police (which doesn't help his case)

b) lying to his father (which is bad in itself, and even more moronic considering that it's also the person in the best position to help him)

And let's not forget Joe Oliver's version, which may or may not matter anyway, since he admitted he was not a good friend and simply just an acquaintance.

 

[Zoe]

Did Zimmerman live in the area for a while? Its also entirely possible that he thought something was suspect about Trayvon because he had never seen him before. My parents house was recently broken into, and the police told them that their had been over 40 similar break ins in the area within the past month, and to report anyone that you dont recognize living there. Thats not itself a racist act because he happened to be black. He didnt live in the area.

His 911 records show him making calls regarding that area since at least 2005.

 

[samus i am]

The evidence seems almost overwhelming. I am flabbergasted that he has yet to be arrested for homicide/negligent manslaughter.

 

[Baconsammy]

Fox News contacted Spike Lee's 40 Acres and a Mule production company and received a no comment. They translated that for their loyal viewers in a headline reading: Spike Lee Refuses To Apologize To Elderly Couple.

 

[commedieu]

This is insane. lol... christ.

 

[Blackace]

Did Zimmerman live in the area for a while? Its also entirely possible that he thought something was suspect about Trayvon because he had never seen him before. My parents house was recently broken into, and the police told them that their had been over 40 similar break ins in the area within the past month, and to report anyone that you dont recognize living there. Thats not itself a racist act because he happened to be black. He didnt live in the area.

Hopefully your parents wouldnt follow them and then engaged them punisher style if they have an encounter

 

[Dreams-Visions]

This case is so bizarre now.

So the Sanford PD's investigation isn't as bad as it seemed (Bill Lee's oratory skills notwithstanding):

Sanford cops sought warrant to arrest George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting
Alsoon't forget he told his father that "at no time did [he] follow or confront Mr. Martin."

He is either:

a) lying to the police (which doesn't help his case)

b) lying to his father (which is bad in itself, and even more moronic considering that it's also the person in the best position to help him)

And let's not forget Joe Oliver's version, which may or may not matter anyway, since he admitted he was not a good friend and simply just an acquaintance.

the investigation was still pretty bad. lack of due-diligence, lack of follow-up with witnesses that have a contradictory story to tell. but yes not AS bad as thought.

Fox News contacted Spike Lee's 40 Acres and a Mule production company and received a no comment. They translated that for their loyal viewers in a headline reading: Spike Lee Refuses To Apologize To Elderly Couple.

SO GOOD.

 

[AiTM]

If your pretend job is to sheriff the community, you should be aware of people living there. So you just don't happen to accidentally murder them. No, that isn't a racist act. Can we get agree..? No one knows if Zimmerman is factually a racist, his actions are similar. But that argument needs to die here.

The reason, at least to me, that this is going nationally is because of race. It is becoming a racially charged issue that wont lead to anything positive. I think this case is being blown up racially when it should be about the person who was killed. Thats consistently why I have been posting in this thread, trying to play down the racial angle.

Hopefully your parents wouldnt follow them and then engaged them punisher style if they have an encounter

No, like I said before, Zimmerman should have left the (non)issue to the police.

 

[Loudninja]

This case is so bizarre now.

So the Sanford PD's investigation isn't as bad as it seemed (Bill Lee's oratory skills notwithstanding):

Sanford cops sought warrant to arrest George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting
Alsoon't forget he told his father that "at no time did [he] follow or confront Mr. Martin."

He is either:

a) lying to the police (which doesn't help his case)

b) lying to his father (which is bad in itself, and even more moronic considering that it's also the person in the best position to help him)

And let's not forget Joe Oliver's version, which may or may not matter anyway, since he admitted he was not a good friend and simply just an acquaintance.

Nope they did a absolute horrible job.

 

[Kinitari]

The reason, at least to me, that this is going nationally is because of race. It is becoming a racially charged issue that wont lead to anything positive. I think this case is being blown up racially when it should be about the person who was killed. Thats consistently why I have been posting in this thread, trying to play down the racial angle.

I consistently play down the racism angle as well - except I also don't discount the evidence piling up against Zimmerman - like the contradictions in his story, and the improbability of him losing a fight to a 140lb boy without any martial arts training.

People are jumping down your throat because you've hand waved away those points, and have presented arguments in Zimmerman's defence - not regarding the race issue.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Hopefully your parents wouldnt follow them and then engaged them Charles Bronson style if they have an encounter

fixed

 

[mavs]

The reason, at least to me, that this is going nationally is because of race. It is becoming a racially charged issue that wont lead to anything positive. I think this case is being blown up racially when it should be about the person who was killed. Thats consistently why I have been posting in this thread, trying to play down the racial angle.



No, like I said before, Zimmerman should have left the (non)issue to the police.

The reason it blew up nationally isn't because of Zimmerman's alleged racism. It's the attitude of the police. Zimmerman may have issues himself, he certainly seems to, but even a racist killer wouldn't get the amount of attention the racist PD is getting.

 

[MightyHealthy]

the investigation was still pretty bad. lack of due-diligence, lack of follow-up with witnesses that have a contradictory story to tell. but yes not AS bad as thought.

If the investigation was shitty and they wanted to arrest him, I can only imagine how it's going to end up now...

I'm also interested in whether George Zimmerman might face charges for lying to police.

Nope they did a absolute horrible job.

I don't disagree on that on the whole.

I'm just surprised that the lead investigator did not believe his version of events, wanted an arrest, and classified the case as "homicide/negligent manslaughter."

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The reason, at least to me, that this is going nationally is because of race. It is becoming a racially charged issue that wont lead to anything positive. I think this case is being blown up racially when it should be about the person who was killed. Thats consistently why I have been posting in this thread, trying to play down the racial angle.

People need a reason to understand the frustrating lack of due diligence, acceptance of Zimmerman's story by the "higher ups", as well as to explain what about Martin made him suspicious. I don't see any reason to believe the kid was anything but profiled. Walking in [presumably light] rain? Must be up to no good! I also don't see a lot of reasons to believe that had this been a young white child, Zimmerman would still be free with no charges filed. But hey...maybe Sanford PD would have fucked up regardless. IDK.

And remember, the Sanford PD has a history of questionable police behavior.