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[Enzom21]

Im not a victim, and I genuinely posted that picture in response to another post, and someone right after me posted a picture of casey anthony. It wasn't because he was black, but believe what you will. Theres no way I can try and defend that and convince you of anything. Someone posted that their will be massive riots if a murderer gets off, and I (and someone else) posted where that wasn't the case. Im constantly played down the racial angle in all my posts, that's why I responded so much to that "the white man will never respect a black mans rights" article. I thought, and still think, its bullshit.

Whatever maybe Im one of the privileged whites, and I just don't see it. But I think its bullshit when I hear people reference some massive white system where white people collectively try to hold back black people. I just dont see things that way. Im getting off topic again though, take my post for what you will, I tried to clarify it as best as possible.

Oh I understand your agenda now. You're not here to play down the racial angle, you're here to make sure that no blame is placed on white people being racist towards blacks. If you really were trying to "play down the racial angle" you wouldn't just be focusing on the people complaining about white racism.

Originally Posted by AiTM:

How about you post what that was in response to? Instead of taking it out of context. Someone posted right after me, a picture of Casey Anthony. Maybe you should read the page and see what we were referring to.

Because I know you wont, we were referring to murderers who go off free. Thats really a good analogy for me to make of Zimmerman (who you think I want to go free), an analogy to a murderer who got off.

The conversation was about rioting based on perceived racial injustice. Nice try though.The conversation was about rioting based on perceived racial injustice. Nice try though.

So are you really going to claim that you didn't contribute to the "racial angle"?

 

[AiTM]

He CANNOT walk free. If that hapenned, we would see riots the likes of which we haven't seen decades. Total chaos would rain down on that city and across the country. Will not happen.

It happens all the time.

"oh hai"

No one rioted when he walked free.

Oh I understand your agenda now. You're not here to play down the racial angle, you're here to make sure that no blame is placed on white people being racist towards blacks. If you really were trying to "play down the racial angle" you wouldn't just be focusing on the people complaining about white racism.



So are you really going to claim that you didn't contribute to the "racial angle"?

By posting a murderer who got off? Saying there wasn't riots? I didn't bring up race in my response. It was just a quick reply to the previous posts about about the unlikeliness of a murderer getting free, and whether riots would happen.

Was I blaming anything on black or white people? What race was I putting down there? Or accusing?

 

[Xenon]

Well, it's been leaked - and the response from the PD is essentially "Fuck, we hate it when people leak stuff" not "That is a fake leak" - so we know what his original claim was. And we can see how that differs from his current claim. And we also can point out how both claims are pretty much entirely unlikely.

Well then when the hopefully do arrest him, his deception will be taken into consideration.

Zimmerman is saying he never approached him, that he got out of his car for a second to check a street sign

This is obviously not true after listening to the 911 tapes.

 

[Apoc87]

We all know he killed him because he was black. No reason to dance around this shit like the rest of the media.

 

[Baconsammy]

Weight and height discrepancy, like numerous other facts, are apparently wrong. Zimmerman is shorter than Trayvon and a lot less heavy than the 250 pounds being reported. Apparently his weight is 190.

Watch Nancy Grace do her best impression of Nancy Grace.

 

[Onemic]

Weight and height discrepancy, like numerous other facts, are apparently wrong. Zimmerman is shorter than Trayvon and a lot less heavy than the 250 pounds being reported. Apparently his weight is 190.

Watch Nancy Grace do her best impression of Nancy Grace.

link?

 

[Baconsammy]

link?

I did. Click the Nancy Grace link and watch the video.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

How can you think that's what happened when Zimmerman himself said he was hit on the back of his head, jumped as you will.

Somehow you've taken his lie, and tried to twist it to make it seem like something else, which incidentally makes Zimmerman look better, but still a liar.

I've should of mentioned it is just based on what has been said, but what I am suggesting is , is Trayvon may have hit Zimmerman in self defense against a stranger who is playing cop. The lies could be lies about how he really got the injuries he claim to have.

 

[Onemic]

I did. Click the Nancy Grace link and watch the video.

blah, I have no audio at the moment, I thought it would just be in the article. I'll check it out later.

 

[Baconsammy]

Actually I'm wrong, Zimmermans weight is 170 not 190, and he's 3 inches shorter than Trayvon. So enough with the "He couldn't overpower him" nonsense. Apparently the 250 pounds came from a 2005 arrest report.

 

[marathonfool]

Someone actually believes the legacy of racist policies and infrastructure no longer persist today? Our educational system is so inadequate. Yes, white privilege is real as is male privilege or hetero privilege. Any imbalanced power structure gives privilege to those in the dominant group. One of those privileges is to deny injustice persists and believe there is equal footing for all.

Institutional systems act in visible and invisible ways upon us. It continues to act in this specific incident. The assumptions of the media, police, Zimmerman, and Martin is the result of these systems. To ignore race, is to execute privilege.

 

[Enzom21]

By posting a murderer who got off? Saying there wasn't riots? I didn't bring up race in my response. It was just a quick reply to the previous posts about about the unlikeliness of a murderer getting free, and whether riots would happen.

Was I blaming anything on black or white people? What race was I putting down there? Or accusing?

The Casey Anthony and the OJ trials are very different beasts. The OJ trial was very much about race, the Anthony wasn't. You honestly believe that a picture of OJ would not illicit some sort of racial response?

I never said you blamed anyone for anything. You said you are trying to play down the racial angle, but it is perfectly obvious that you only care about one side of the issue. You are not complaining about the character assassination aimed at Trayvon, you have only complained about anything having to do with Zimmerman or white people being maligned. That along with the OJ picture make your agenda here perfectly clear.

 

[The Incarnation]

I've should of mentioned it is just based on what has been said, but what I am suggesting is , is Trayvon may have hit Zimmerman in self defense against a stranger who is playing cop. The lies could be lies about how he really got the injuries he claim to have.

He may of, doesn't explain why Zimmerman said he was jumped from behind though. Still Trayvon was crying out for help numerous times in panicked state on the tapes and then you hear the sound of a gun shot, and then silence. From the sounds of things Zimmerman had the gun pointed at Trayvon for a more than a few seconds.

It's also reported that Zimmerman said it was he that was shouting for help. Personally I think the Mother would know the sound of her own sons voice...

From where I'm sitting it's nothing more than cold blooded execution, and everything from Zimmerman's side is clearly trying to get around that to make it look like he was the one in danger.

In fact the only question in my mind is whether it's true that Zimmerman was pinning Trayvon down from behind when he shot him, since one witness statement says that.

Quite a few of these types of pictures were on his facebook page....

He was told not to follow, and he stated that THEY always get away with it, and muttered under his breath fucking coons...

And then decided to ignore police advice and get personally involved, probably to make sure that they the fucking coons didn't get away with it this time.

 

[Kinitari]

Actually I'm wrong, Zimmermans weight is 170 not 190, and he's 3 inches shorter than Trayvon. So enough with the "He couldn't overpower him" nonsense. Apparently the 250 pounds came from a 2005 arrest report.

That greatly changes the probability of him being overpowered.

 

[Baconsammy]

He may of, doesn't explain why Zimmerman said he was jumped from behind though. Still Trayvon was crying out for help numerous times in panicked state on the tapes and then you hear the sound of a gun shot, and then silence. From the sounds of things Zimmerman had the gun pointed at Trayvon for a more than a few seconds.

It's also reported that Zimmerman said it was he that was shouting for help. Personally I think the Mother would know the sound of her own sons voice...

The police report states that Zimmerman claims he was attacked by Trayvon near his car and it's not stated "from behind". Considering we now know the height difference favored Trayvon and Zimmerman was only 10 pounds heavier, it's not that hard to believe. As for the screams, none of the witnesses can say which of the two was screaming. Trayvon's mother thinks it was Trayvon. Zimmerman says it was him and Zimmerman's friend/acquaintance unequivocally say it's his voice. So who knows.

That greatly changes the probability of him being overpowered.

It was weird to me that the mugshot pictures of Zimmerman didn't look much like the new picture of him (in a suit), but it's because one appears to be pretty fat, and the newer pic isn't. Would account for the weight discrepancy.

 

[Enzom21]

Quite a few of these types of pictures were on his facebook page....

That wasn't this Zimmerman's facebook page.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

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That wasn't the same George Zimmerman.

 

[The Incarnation]

The police report states that Zimmerman claims he was attacked by Trayvon near his car and it's not stated "from behind". Considering we now know the height difference favored Trayvon and Zimmerman was only 10 pounds heavier, it's not that hard to believe. As for the screams, none of the witnesses can say which of the two was screaming. Trayvon's mother thinks it was Trayvon. Zimmerman says it was him and Zimmerman's friend/acquaintance unequivocally say it's his voice. So who knows.




It was weird to me that the mugshot pictures of Zimmerman didn't look much like the new picture of him (in a suit), but it's because one appears to be pretty fat, and the newer pic isn't. Would account for the weight discrepancy.

His friend also thinks Coon isn't a racial insult.

Feel free to use it you believe him so much.

And if I was about to shoot someone I'd be screaming help too right.

"Help help" said with gun in hand.

 

[Onemic]

He may of, doesn't explain why Zimmerman said he was jumped from behind though. Still Trayvon was crying out for help numerous times in panicked state on the tapes and then you hear the sound of a gun shot, and then silence. From the sounds of things Zimmerman had the gun pointed at Trayvon for a more than a few seconds.

It's also reported that Zimmerman said it was he that was shouting for help. Personally I think the Mother would know the sound of her own sons voice...

From where I'm sitting it's nothing more than cold blooded execution, and everything from Zimmerman's side is clearly trying to get around that to make it look like he was the one in danger.

In fact the only question in my mind is whether it's true that Zimmerman was pinning Trayvon down from behind when he shot him, since one witness statement says that.

Quite a few of these types of pictures were on his facebook page....

He was told not to follow, and he stated that THEY always get away with it, and muttered under his breath fucking coons...

And then decided to ignore police advice and get personally involved, probably to make sure that they the fucking coons didn't get away with it this time.

That's not zimmermans fb page

 

[The Incarnation]

That wasn't this Zimmerman's facebook page.

Ah, I didn't know that. Kinda of wondered why his picture profile changed to show him with his one black friend at the time..

 

[Baconsammy]

His friend also thinks Coon isn't a racial insult.

Feel free to use it you believe him so much.

And if I was about to shoot someone I'd be screaming help too right.

"Help help" said with gun in hand.

First of all his friend acknowledges that 'coon' is in fact a racial insult.

I dont believe any of it implicitly. I dont immediately discredit anything either. That would imply a bias that I don't have. If he's not guilty he's not guilty. I support a full investigation, which apparently didn't happen a month ago. But then again I'm probably wrong about that since the police have now said they requested an arrest warrant because they didnt find the story believable.

On a different note, the idiot that got the wrong address for Zimmerman and tweeted it out, which was then reweeted by thousands of people including Spike Lee, was asked by the son of the elderly couple that live at the address that's being tweeted to please retract it. Here's how that idiot responded:

William Zimmerman contacted Higgins to ask him to stop using his mother's address and got the response, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" as well as an obscenity.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

His friend also thinks Coon isn't a racial insult.

Feel free to use it you believe him so much.

And if I was about to shoot someone I'd be screaming help too right.

"Help help" said with gun in hand.

Honestly, I want to say I don't understand why this guy John Oliver is going around telling Zimmermans account, but when you think it's kinda transparent.

 

[Onemic]

First of all his friend acknowledges that 'coon' is in fact a racial insult.

I dont believe any of it implicitly. I dont immediately discredit anything either. That would imply a bias that I don't have. If he's not guilty he's not guilty. I support a full investigation, which apparently didn't happen a month ago. But then again I'm probably wrong about that since the police have now said they requested an arrest warrant because they didnt find the story believable.

On a different note, the idiot that got the wrong address for Zimmerman and tweeted it out, which was then reweeted by thousands of people including Spike Lee, was asked by the son of the elderly couple that live at the address that's being tweeted to please retract it. Here's how that idiot responded:

William Zimmerman contacted Higgins to ask him to stop using his mother's address and got the response, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" as well as an obscenity.

What a dumbass. What does he think this will accomplish? Isn't that invasion of privacy or something?

And didn't Zimmermans friend say that it's only a racial insult depending on your perspective or some bullshit like that?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

What a dumbass. What does he think this will accomplish?

I don't think any thinking went into this.

 

[GungHo]

The NRA is selling hooded sweatshirts now, with the concealed compartment for a semiautomatic

http://bit.ly/HbREIQ

They've existed for a long time. They may not have been branded by the NRA, but I've seen them branded for Smith & Wesson, other gunmakers, and shooting gear companies.

 

[Baconsammy]

What a dumbass. What does he think this will accomplish?

And didn't Zimmermans friend say that it's only a racial insult depending on your perspective or some bullshit like that?

No, he's saying what you hear on the tape is based on your perspective. If you tend to believe Zimmerman, you hear "goon". If you want to believe Zimmerman is guilty, you hear "coon".

 

[Onemic]

No, he's saying what you hear on the tape is based on your perspective. If you tend to believe Zimmerman, you hear "goon". If you want to believe Zimmerman is guilty, you hear "coon".

Goon? Really? At least say that he says punks so it doesn't look like you're lying through your teeth.

 

[Baconsammy]

Goon? Really? At least say that he says punks so it doesn't look like you're lying through your teeth.

I personally heard neither word on that recording, and I know of no one that uses either word except in describing enforcers on hockey teams. Perhaps 80 year old racists still use 'coon'.

 

[The Incarnation]

First of all his friend acknowledges that 'coon' is in fact a racial insult.

He certainly didn't on TV.

In fact he says that his daughter uses it and is a term of endearment in local high schools.

I might add that where I'm from coon means black people who pander to whites..

 

[Baconsammy]

He certainly didn't on TV.

In fact he says that his daughter uses it and is a term of endearment in local high schools.

Wrong. He said on TV that 'coon' is racial slur and 'goon' is a word that his daughter uses as a term of endearment.

Video here

 

[SquiddyCracker]

I don't understand the people who believe there is a possibility of the shooter being innocent.

He has changed his story multiple times.
He has contacted the police over trivial non-issues for many years.
His father is a retired judge.
He has still not been arrested.
The police is corrupt.

Oh, and a bullet from his gun was found lodged in the victim.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Wrong. He said on TV that 'coon' is racial slur and 'goon' is a word that her daughter uses as a term of endearment.

He said in some places in the country "coon-ass" is a term of endearment.

 

[The Incarnation]

Wrong. He said on TV that 'coon' is racial slur and 'goon' is a word that her daughter uses as a term of endearment.

Video here

http://newsone.com/nation/nomul6/trayvon-martin-case-2/

Try the six minute video and not the 33 second clip.

 

[bob_arctor]

I personally heard neither word on that recording, and I know of no one that uses either word except in describing enforcers on hockey teams. Perhaps 80 year old racists still use 'coon'.

So what did you hear exactly?

 

[SquiddyCracker]

There's apparently a 911 recording, huh.
Anyone got a link to it?

 

[Baconsammy]

I don't understand the people who believe there is a possibility of the shooter being innocent.

1 He has changed his story multiple times.
2 He has contacted the police over trivial non-issues for many years.
3 His father is a retired judge.
4 He has still not been arrested.
5 The police is corrupt.

6 Oh, and a bullet from his gun was found lodged in the victim.

1 - He gave his story to police one time. That's his story

2 - Not a crime

3 - Not a crime

4 - Not his decision

5 - Unproven

6 - That's what happens when you shoot someone in self-defense as well as when you murder someone. The point of all of this is to determine which it is.

 

[KHarvey16]

He said in some places in the country "coon-ass" is a term of endearment.

That's actually true for some cajuns.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

1 - He gave his story to police one time. That's his story

2 - Not a crime

3 - Not a crime

4 - Not his decision

5 - Unproven

6 - That's what happens when you shoot someone in self-defense as well as when you murder someone. The point of all of this is to determine which it is.

Scary to think that without all this attention, we may have never seen due diligence. Shit, we still might not.

That's actually true for some cajuns.

Zimmerman isn't from Louisiana. Louisiana isn't Florida. The point is as irrelevant as it gets.

It's akin to suggesting that if someone says, "fucking niggers" it may not have been meant in an offensive way because some black folk say it too. it's intellectually dishonest at best.

But you knew that.

 

[Baconsammy]

So what did you hear exactly?

I hear him refer to people that rob the homes in his neighborhood as "assholes" and that "they always get away", and he's assuming at that time that Trayvon is one of those assholes. And then I hear "fucking" and the cellphone breaks up to the point where if you asked me what I heard I couldnt tell you definitively.

 

[Onemic]

That's actually true for some cajuns.

Why would he even say it if he says that zimmerman said 'goons'? It's sort of a pointless statement to make.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

That's actually true for some cajuns.

But why would he use that to refer to a black guy in Florida.

 

[KHarvey16]

Why would he even say it if he says that zimmerman said 'goons'? It's sort of a pointless statement to make.

It was just an aside during the conversation.

 

[empty vessel]

He said in some places in the country "coon-ass" is a term of endearment.

I don't understand the relevance of this (and by this I mean his friend's attempt at a defense). Whatever word Zimmerman used, it sure as hell wasn't intended as a term of endearment for the "assholes" who "always get away."

 

[Baconsammy]

http://newsone.com/nation/nomul6/trayvon-martin-case-2/

Try the six minute video and not the 33 second clip.

And he acknowledges that coon is a racial slur there too, but also points out that people in Lousianna use the phrase "coon asses" as a term of endearment, which makes no sense to bring up since Zimmerman isnt from LA nor did the crime take place there, and Trayvon was not someone he knew in a friendly way. This "friend" isn't doing Zimmerman any favors to be honest other than to clear up the physical differences between Zimmerman and Trayvon.

Why would he even say it if he says that zimmerman said 'goons'? It's sort of a pointless statement to make.

Did the Chris Matthews interview come before the interview he gave which he said his daughter pointed out 'goon' is a widely used word now? But again, Zimmerman would have no reason to use 'goon' as a term of endearment to refer to someone he assumed was going to rob his neighborhood. This guy is a loony.

 

[bob_arctor]

I hear him refer to people that rob the homes in his neighborhood as "assholes" and that "they always get away", and he's assuming at that time that Trayvon is one of those assholes. And then I hear "fucking" and the cellphone breaks up to the point where if you asked me what I heard I couldnt tell you definitively.

So, in fact, in this particular instance, you would do a better job than even Zimmerman's best friend in defending him. That is, Joe Oliver pares it down to two possibilities, one of which seems particularly unbelievable, whereas you won't even venture that.

 

[Fantastical]

I didn't follow up on the "coons" thing. I thought I heard "punk", but it could have been "coons" too. Did we get some kind of updated audio or a confirmation or something?

 

[The Incarnation]

And he acknowledges that coon is a racial slur there too, but also points out that people in Lousianna use the phrase "coon asses" as a term of endearment, which makes no sense to bring up since Zimmerman isnt from LA nor did the crime take place there, and Trayvon was not someone he knew in a friendly way. This "friend" isn't doing Zimmerman any favors to be honest other than to clear up the physical differences between Zimmerman and Trayvon.




Did the Chris Matthews interview come before the interview he gave which he said his daughter pointed out 'goon' is a widely used word now? But again, Zimmerman would have no reason to use 'goon' as a term of endearment to refer to someone he assumed was going to rob his neighborhood. This guy is a loony.

On another note, it's strange that I've only just noticed your avatar..


Change it recently, just asking...

 

[Baconsammy]

So, in fact, in this particular instance, you would do a better job than even Zimmerman's best friend in defending him. That is, Joe Oliver pares it down to two possibilities, one of which seems particularly unbelievable, whereas you won't even venture that.

Exactly right. People on both sides of this that are saying they know exactly what's being said at that moment are full of shit. Or perhaps my ears are broken. Nancy Grace enhanced the audio on her show and she swears up and down she's hearing coon. I listen and I still couldnt tell you.

On another note, it's strange that I've only just noticed your avatar..


Change it recently, just asking...

Earlier in the week. I usually keep it as something that I'm currently interested in. In the past few months it ranged from Patriots to Kingdoms of Amalur, to SSX, to Frobot, to Community.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Just for the record I heard coons before I knew that's what he supposedly said.

 

[Particle Physicist]

The police report states that Zimmerman claims he was attacked by Trayvon near his car and it's not stated "from behind". Considering we now know the height difference favored Trayvon and Zimmerman was only 10 pounds heavier, it's not that hard to believe. As for the screams, none of the witnesses can say which of the two was screaming. Trayvon's mother thinks it was Trayvon. Zimmerman says it was him and Zimmerman's friend/acquaintance unequivocally say it's his voice.

10 lb difference? I thought Trayvon was around 140, or is that wrong?