Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Only that? What about the blood from shooting him in the chest while Trayvon was of top of him beating him to the point of fearing for his life.

Yeah, if you shoot someone who's directly on top of you, aren't you going to get blood on your shirt?
 
Uhm, because there is no evidence to support the claim....

I'm going to guess you believe it because of personal interaction with black/white people (which isn't something I would base anything off of, unless you measured the voices of a representative sample) or because you heard it from someone else.

Just Google it.


I'm black most people around me are Indian actually but I know more whites than blacks and we have a different quality to our voices.

TIMBRE............
 
The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart notes a police report “that was completed at 3:07 a.m. on Feb. 27 lists Trayvon’s full name, city of birth, address and phone number.” But yet, Trayvon’s body was reportedly “tagged as a John Doe” and his father wasn’t informed of his death until after he filed a missing person report later on the 27th.
 
Just read the story about Spike Lee's tweet giving the address of George Zimmerman.. only not THAT George Zimmerman. What a moron.

The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart notes a police report “that was completed at 3:07 a.m. on Feb. 27 lists Trayvon’s full name, city of birth, address and phone number.” But yet, Trayvon’s body was reportedly “tagged as a John Doe” and his father wasn’t informed of his death until after he filed a missing person report later on the 27th.

Fuck.
 
If he has no injuries, the police report is a fabrication. He was treated on the scene, according to the report, and allowed to be driven to the station. It also specifically mentions him bleeding from his face and head. Zimmerman also claims he went for medical treatment the next day. This will be extremely easy to confirm or dispel just by speaking to the EMTs, any witness that saw Zimmerman after the fact and the hospital he claims to have been to.

This was my first reaction. Wouldn't he be treated at the scene with blood potentially wiped off? The video isn't sharp enough to determine the extent of bruises he has, if any at all. I don't see the significance of this video
 
So let's recap, from the last few hours

1. Video appears that throws the extent of injuries Zimmerman and the PD claims he sustained in this altercation into... a suspect light.

2. The morgue director reports that there are no injuries on T. Martin's hands, consistent with someone punching the fuck out of someone else.

3. In a MSNBC video, apparently it is claimed that T. Martin was held as a 'John Doe' In the morgue for 3 days.

Anything I miss?
 
Just Google it.


I'm black most people around me are Indian actually but I know more whites than blacks and we have a different quality to our voices.

TIMBRE............

That's not acceptable.... (lots of people believe things that aren't true)

I am black as well, and most people around me are Indian, white, and asian (Bay Area).

As far as I know, there are no significant timbre and pitch differences in the voices. There are intonation differences, mostly due to different cultures (because the Indian people here are usually from India, go figure.)

I'm pretty sure you're either confusing inflection/enunciation and what not for the quality of the voice or you believe some silly stereotype.

I'm saying, there is no actual evidence for your claim.

Anyway, the only reason I originally objected to your statement was because I thought you were talking about something else (ie, 'talk black'/ 'talk white'). Seeing as that's not the case, I'll just drop it. Though, I think it's strange that you would believe this at all.
 
So apparently the police reports may have been altered. He was a John Doe in the morgue for 3 days, but the police report which was written right after the events of the night have Trayvon's name, address, etc on it.

From the way it looks, everything above the narratives gets updated as needed. The narratives have their own timestamps: 2:28 for one and 3:29 for the other when the official "time completed" is 3:07.

I think it's fair for information such as the victim demographics to be updated as the investigation continues. You can't reasonably glean all of that on the spot at the scene.
 
This was my first reaction. Wouldn't he be treated at the scene with blood potentially wiped off? The video isn't sharp enough to determine the extent of bruises he has, if any at all. I don't see the significance of this video

Zimmerman and his lawyers are claiming he was beaten to a bloody pulp, though. Even if the blood is wiped off, the injuries they are claiming he suffered should be at least somewhat visible.
 
So let's recap, from the last few hours

1. Video appears that throws the extent of injuries Zimmerman and the PD claims he sustained in this altercation into... a suspect light.

2. The morgue director reports that there are no injuries on T. Martin's hands, consistent with someone punching the fuck out of someone else.

3. In a MSNBC video, apparently it is claimed that T. Martin was held as a 'John Doe' In the morgue for 3 days.

Anything I miss?

This story keeps getting worse and worse.
 
So let's recap, from the last few hours

1. Video appears that throws the extent of injuries Zimmerman and the PD claims he sustained in this altercation into... a suspect light.

2. The morgue director reports that there are no injuries on T. Martin's hands, consistent with someone punching the fuck out of someone else.

3. In a MSNBC video, apparently it is claimed that T. Martin was held as a 'John Doe' In the morgue for 3 days.

Anything I miss?

4. Doctors say Obama's son would look NOTHING like trayvon. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/keith-ablow-obama-trayvon-martin-lou-dobbs_n_1386547.html
 
If you heard me talk I really don't think you would know what race I am.

James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman and Denzil Washington.

Perfect English, but you'd know they're black just by the "quality" the timbre of their voices.

We look different and we sound different, no reason to view it as a negative. It's not bad thing.
 
3. In a MSNBC video, apparently it is claimed that T. Martin was held as a 'John Doe' In the morgue for 3 days.



I don't get the significance of this. His parents were told the next morning. From one report I read, they identified the body via a photograph. What would be the ulterior motive for this, what would it do and why should it be seen as anything but a paperwork issue since the body was identified?

There's certainly stuff here pointing to coverups by the DA's office and probably the cops, but this one just as me stumped as to what it implies.


Clearly black people all look alike to Obama
 
I may have missed it but it is there any evidence to the distance of the gunshot? Because if Zimmerman pulled the trigger in the middle of the fight that should be point-blank. So there should be some bloodstain from Trayvon on Zimmerman shirt or was that not taken into any evidence collection.
 
I may have missed it but it is there any evidence to the distance of the gunshot? Because if Zimmerman pulled the trigger in the middle of the fight that should be point-blank. So there should be some bloodstain from Trayvon on Zimmerman shirt or was that not taken into any evidence collection.

Nah, police are still working out how to make his body look like it caused itself to be shot in the chest.
 
Zimmerman and his lawyers are claiming he was beaten to a bloody pulp, though. Even if the blood is wiped off, the injuries they are claiming he suffered should be at least somewhat visible.

I think the morgue report is more damning then the video. If there was no trauma injury other then the bullet wound that ultimate means 1 thing, no struggle happened. He has no visible damage from inflicting wounds on Zimmerman (unless he had a weapon somehow and it disappeared!) and he also has no damage on his body from Zimmerman which might have depicted a struggle engaged from either side. Which ultimately means Trayvon Martin was shot without struggle, essentially shot in cold blood.
 
I don't get the significance of this. His parents were told the next morning. From one report I read, they identified the body via a photograph. What would be the ulterior motive for this, what would it do and why should it be seen as anything but a paperwork issue since the body was identified?

There's certainly stuff here pointing to coverups by the DA's office and probably the cops, but this one just as me stumped as to what it implies.

No clue, just something that is apparently of import? So I threw it in.
 
I don't get the significance of this. His parents were told the next morning. From one report I read, they identified the body via a photograph. What would be the ulterior motive for this, what would it do and why should it be seen as anything but a paperwork issue since the body was identified?

There's certainly stuff here pointing to coverups by the DA's office and probably the cops, but this one just as me stumped as to what it implies.



Clearly black people all look alike to Obama

They were told only after they filed the missing person's report.
 
I may have missed it but it is there any evidence to the distance of the gunshot? Because if Zimmerman pulled the trigger in the middle of the fight that should be point-blank. So there should be some bloodstain from Trayvon on Zimmerman shirt or was that not taken into any evidence collection.

In theory Martin's clothing was taken into evidence. That could possibly shed light on distance away when he was shot because of gunshot residue.
 
James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman and Denzil Washington.

Perfect English, but you'd know they're black just by the "quality" the timbre of their voices.

We look different and we sound different, no reason to view it as a negative. It's not bad thing.

So, when you were a kid and you watched Stars Wars for the first time, you knew that Darth Vader's voice was played by a black guy?

When I was a kid, I definitely didn't know that. I made no assumptions until now (except that the voice actor was most likely American.)
 
So, when you were a kid and you watched Stars Wars for the first time, you knew that Darth Vader's voice was played by a black guy?

When I was a kid, I definitely didn't know that. I made no assumptions until now (except that the voice actor was most likely American.)

People tell me I have no accent. Like if you heard me talk, you wouldn't be able to place a single thing about me.
 
Anyway, the only reason I originally objected to your statement was because I thought you were talking about something else (ie, 'talk black'/ 'talk white'). Seeing as that's not the case, I'll just drop it. Though, I think it's strange that you would believe this at all.

Figured as much, I often get "I talk white too".. Which doesn't get a good reaction from me.

With that said I personally can tell the difference, most of the time.
 
Figured as much, I often get "I talk white too".. Which doesn't get a good reaction from me.

With that said I personally can tell the difference, most of the time.

I would actually like to test this. But this thread isn't the right place. XD (maybe another thread, I can collect voice samples, lol)

I apologize for mistaking your comment as that sort of that.
 
So, when you were a kid and you watched Stars Wars for the first time, you knew that Darth Vader's voice was played by a black guy?

When I was a kid, I definitely didn't know that. I made no assumptions until now (except that the voice actor was most likely American.)

I think it's more of a cultural thing than anything else. For example I can't tell an Asian american apart from a white american if they were talking and I couldn't see their faces. Same goes with blacks that live outside of the US.(I'd actually extend it to southern whites and blacks as they sound the same to me for the most part depending on where they are from) A British black person and a British white person sound exactly the same to me as well.
 
At first I was outraged and judged very quickly. I totally bought into the Zimmerman was a racist, had a grudge, ect ect. Just went up to the kid and shot him.

But the more you look at Trayvon and how Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose, Had grass stains on his back, and listenind to the 911 call where someone is crying for help. (which sounds more like a heavy man, than a thin 17 year old) It seems like perhaps he did act in self defense.

This still could of been avoided if Zimmerman didn't pursue the kid and did what the dispatcher told him to do. That I don't dispute.

But it appears there was a struggle. It appears there was a fight. And if Zimmerman is on the ground getting his ass kicked, then by florida law, he has a right to use lethal force in self defense.


So If I follow you, You don't mind If i shoot you If I feel "threatened?"
 
In theory Martin's clothing was taken into evidence. That could possibly shed light on distance away when he was shot because of gunshot residue.

But why not also take Zimmerman's clothes and check it for residue. How did he hold the gun? If Trayvon was right on him and he shot him point blank there'd be evidence of that on his own clothes too. What kind of fucking cops are these? Did they just want to get back to watch the 2nd half of the allstar game?
 
So, when you were a kid and you watched Stars Wars for the first time, you knew that Darth Vader's voice was played by a black guy?

When I was a kid, I definitely didn't know that. I made no assumptions until now (except that the voice actor was most likely American.)

Not the first Stars Wars no, Return of the Jedi..

And even then I didn't think about such things that long ago, so I wouldn't of known.
 
Its completely and utterly amazing how inept this police department is. Its just thing after thing that they didn't follow protocol on or bother to look into the first place. I mean this is BASIC stuff they should be doing.
 
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