Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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you know.... just in case
For future emergency reference, Belgian waffles will also do the trick for me.
So is the NDA honest and for good up tomorrow?
I am really curious about what Retro is doing. I cant see them doing another Metroid game.
If They are doing something thats supposed to be super impressive for the hardcore gamer etc it has to be new. Metroid is a series that is stagnant and not even HD is gonna suddenly wake the series up to alot of people.
If They are doing something thats supposed to be super impressive for the hardcore gamer etc it has to be new. Metroid is a series that is stagnant and not even HD is gonna suddenly wake the series up to alot of people.
You activated your imagination. It happens.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
I don't even know what my avatar is, what it's from, or who it is. no idea what inspired it and it is completely lost on me and/or over my head.
care to help me out?
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I'd gladly without question take a Metroid Prime 4, but apparently they're not doing it. I'm also glad they're not doing DKCR2 for Wii U as their first project (someone mentioned this in this thread many pages back so don't ask for a source, thanks)......What else to say than, I'm fucking hyped for Retro's Wii U game.
C'mon, western RPG... c'mon..
Either that, or a really great stealth game! Take notes from the Thief series, and go from there!
How about a WRPG with great stealth mechanics?
izumi konata from lucky star, a comedy anime from a few yaers ago. i think theyr;'e calling you a troll. some context might hlep.
all i know is i'm drunk in the faternoon and it sucks. I guess drunk=imagintion. my head herts though.
I'll keep that in mind
and idk.. I asked the same thing because I'm not sure if it's real or just a april fool's day joke
That kind of game made by Retro?
Yes. It'd be addressing two notable gaps in Nintendo's library.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
Some context on why they gave it to me?
It was several years ago in an custom avatar thread where I posted this gif:
and asked for it to be turned into an animated avatar
someone fixed the gif for me, and I put it as my avatar, someone else stole it and I got stuck with what I got now.
other than that I have no idea.
Second Parties:
AlphaDream
Ambrella
Camelot Software Planning
Game Freak
Genius Sonority
Good-Feel
Monster Games
Next Level Games
Noise
Paon
N-Space
skip Ltd.
Sora Ltd.
Intelligent Systems is first party
i think IS are first party but alphadream is 2nd. some others are gamefreak, camelot, monster games, genuis sorority.
edit: i'm being beaten so much toady it's not funny.
Some context on why they gave it to me?
It was several years ago in an custom avatar thread where I posted this gif:
and asked for it to be turned into an animated avatar
someone fixed the gif for me, and I put it as my avatar, someone else stole it and I got stuck with what I got now.
other than that I have no idea.
??? so random, mods must have beeen having fun i guess.
Thank ya both. As you all can see I am quite proud to have Camelot as a 2nd party, and hope they can craft a brand new RPG for either of Nintendo's platforms.
And I always wonder what IS are capable of. Have they only done the Paper Mario games?
Edit: Wow, I had no idea. Interesting, thank you.
And I always wonder what IS are capable of. Have they only done the Paper Mario games?
Edit: Wow, I had no idea. Interesting, thank you.
Is also does Fire Emblem and Advance Wars
quick edit: Looking at their Wikipedia page, they've help co-develop a ton a games, including super metroid!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Systems
i love cammie ( the dev not the ninty pr lady) but they the third age wasn't that good and why no rpg moode in mario gold/tennis anymore.
IS has done the super duper awesome Fire emblem and advance wars. HAIL YOUR SRPG OVERLORDS NOW!
edit: nooooooooooooo why am i being beaten evry time? this is not my day
i love cammie ( the dev not the ninty pr lady) but they the third age wasn't that good and why no rpg moode in mario gold/tennis anymore.
IS has done the super duper awesome Fire emblem and advance wars. HAIL YOUR SRPG OVERLORDS NOW!
edit: nooooooooooooo why am i being beaten evry time? this is not my day
:lol your avy has never been more appropriate.
And yes, the third was disappointing. Bleh. Which is why I'm anxious for them to start fresh.
i love cammie ( the dev not the ninty pr lady) but they the third age wasn't that good and why no rpg moode in mario gold/tennis anymore.
IS has done the super duper awesome Fire emblem and advance wars. HAIL YOUR SRPG OVERLORDS NOW!
edit: nooooooooooooo why am i being beaten evry time? this is not my day
jump_button
Banned
This is Big N do you really think they not use the art style they want just to show off to graphics hogs
Have any of the mid-tier devs out there learned anything from this generation's crash course on No Limit Texas Hold 'em? With once-prominent studios deep-sixing themselves month after month, you'd think that at some point, people would start holding their chips a little longer, if only out of panic. I understand the lure and excitement of it all; the belief that you definitely are creating the next big thing has got to be compelling, otherwise you wouldn't believe it. But goddamn, if they're not going down like lemmings, then they're going down like lemmings chasing lemmings.
Also, I'm drunk. And sad about Sega.
Also, I'm drunk. And sad about Sega.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
On another note, I'd give my left nut for an HD version of Namco's Tokyo Wars for DD
arcade:
The game is SO MUCH FUN. Would be perfect on Wii U with dat controller.
arcade:
The game is SO MUCH FUN. Would be perfect on Wii U with dat controller.
:lol your avy has never been more appropriate.
And yes, the third was disappointing. Bleh. Which is why I'm anxious for them to start fresh.
hmphg i bet you guys are laughing at me, especially bagu. i think his avyy's smirking at me but i'm not too sure.
i had something to say her ebut i forgot.
i didn't read that wall fof text but if you're drunk, we can be bros and lament how cool SEGA would be if they'r estill around yeah?
Either being beaten as bad as you say has made you mad, or you're somehow confusing my magnificent facial hair for a smirk. In any case, yes, I find your overreaction very amusing.
On topic, that Tank game looks neat!
herzogzwei1989
Banned
It's so neato!
A few more in-game shots:
Would be so fucking PERFECT for even a modestly powerful Wii U platform, with that controller!
A game that isn't complete; you can choose from various DLC packs to create your own experience of the game - combine the Action Pack with the Ninja costume and your own Ninja Gaiden 3 killer is ready.
Create your own Capcpom game - wirh dizens of DLC packs.
This is the future!
Someone posted this generation's body count thread earlier on Saturday, I think. It definitely makes an impression, and yet there are plenty of folks (around here, even) who continue to scream "more more more!" The freckles on the bald space marine's forehead aren't detailed enough, it seems.
If the industry were to go down to just the giant development houses and then kickstarted/boutique/independent outfits, I wonder how large the contraction would be, going from doing $X billion of sales one year down to $Y billion.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Can We/U (get it?) get a nice history of Nintendo's R&D budget over the last 5/6 years? I know their spending went up big time following the release of the Wii.
See I think this is one of the reasons 3rd parties are so anti Nintendo in ways though. The Industry excluding Nintendo is relatively stagnant. It has its core game buyers etc. Nintendo of course went after granny etc and profits exploded. "Best Industry Year" etc etc. BUT the industry wasn't seeing any of that. It was all Nintendo.
Nintendo designs around a Nintendo first attitude which is great for Nintendo but not so great for 3rd parties.
When 3rd parties are the doing stupid decisions they're doing, it's not hard to understand why Nintendo does that.
But at the same time 3rd parties with very successful titles are still going under. If these studios were in such bad shape they probably couldn't have afforded to gamble on a totally unique Wii version anyways.
Totally.
Lol, I remember hating Sega when I was a kid. "Super Nintendo Is What Genesisn't" I told 'em at school (correctly). I got over it and bought a Dreamcast years later. But even in my darkest Sega hating days, I wouldn't have wanted it to end like this. *Pours out beer...*
...into my mouth
herzogzwei1989
Banned
*lights a smoke* and hopes someone posts something really interesting on Wii U...
...and hopes it isn't an April Fools joke!
Another thing that struck me was Iwata sayng during an interview essentially: not every game needs to be a AAA or AAAA effort. There are some games that call for deep financial investment and production values, but there are also many games that don't require such heavy risk. It was remarkable to hear someone of his place in the industry say such a thing, and it was a very pointed reminder of how much this company doesn't really fit-in with the others.
(And with that, it's time for a nap.. cheers!)
ColdBlooder
Banned
I think Nintendo knows the industry way getter than most people want to belive.
Iwata already said the development costs will rise to an unhealthy level back in 2005. Looking on how many developers had to close this gen, he nailed it.
Now we will get a moderate step up from PS360 but not a HUGE leap, so development costs wont explode. They even provide alot of tools for FREE to the developers. Tools wich usually cost alot to license.
If i would be the head of a smaller development company, that alone would make me want to develop for WiiU only because "One strike and your out because your bankrupt" CANNOT go on for alot longer!
Its really sad that THQ and SEGA are in the dire position their in now. I would actually want Nintendo to outright buy them even if its a hefty investment, but seeing how many good IPs are connected to those 2 companies alone...
Saints Row 4 WiiU exclusive sounds amazing... 
Lets hope developers come to their senses SOON!
Iwata already said the development costs will rise to an unhealthy level back in 2005. Looking on how many developers had to close this gen, he nailed it.
Now we will get a moderate step up from PS360 but not a HUGE leap, so development costs wont explode. They even provide alot of tools for FREE to the developers. Tools wich usually cost alot to license.
If i would be the head of a smaller development company, that alone would make me want to develop for WiiU only because "One strike and your out because your bankrupt" CANNOT go on for alot longer!
Its really sad that THQ and SEGA are in the dire position their in now. I would actually want Nintendo to outright buy them even if its a hefty investment, but seeing how many good IPs are connected to those 2 companies alone...
YES i know its NOT gonna happen! But one can dream...
Lets hope developers come to their senses SOON!
^ I still don't believe that even if the next generation was 50x current gen, that budgets would get much bigger than they are just because of the tech. They may get big because companies are trying to outdo each other but that could happen even if we stopped at Wii Tech.
BTW where has Ideaman got to? Wanna drop us some more info my main man?
BTW where has Ideaman got to? Wanna drop us some more info my main man?
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Yeah man, throw us dogs a bone!
On today of all days?
Not to be all 'get off my lawn' about it, but the joy of video gaming really seems to be lost on the newer generations of gamers. Like, I get the whole graphics thing. Pretty pictures are nice to look at. But when I'm playing a game, I'm simply not that focused on that stuff. I'm focused on playing the game. That's what "immersion" actually is. (Protip: make decent games before trying to 'wow' us with extravagant art budgets. Graphics don't make anywhere near the lasting impression that good gameplay does.)
Anyway, these newer gamers can't seem to be able communicate what makes one game better than another beyond polygons and textures. It's like saying the CGI in the latest Michael Bay movie somehow made it better than Aliens. Give me a fucking break.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Microsoft launching without a HDD, and surviving the time, has been fine. They didn't need to launch with a HDD for the same reason they didn't launch with HDMI support: it wasn't necessary for the time. And, over time, Microsoft has adapted to demands for more space. Not just with USB support, but also a revised console that supports traditional HDD, as well as selling HDD upgrades.
The problem with Nintendo is they play to the beat of their own drum. Nintendo looks out for Nintendo. And this makes sense, from a business perspective, and is fine, because often times them doing this is a good thing.
But, we're at a point in the industry where digital distribution is huge, and is only going to get bigger. Not just shit like DLC and patches, but entire games. Internet is getting cheaper, speeds are getting faster, space is becoming more affordable (Thailand floods aside
). And it goes beyond this. Indy devs now have an outlet that they once never did. The way certain games are distributed, to save on retail production costs, has changed.And Nintendo seems to be behind in all these areas, because again, they play to the beat of their own drum. They don't see these things are necessities or of their own interest, and in typical Nintendo fashion struggle to see why they should give a shit.
USB HDD support is good, but I want to know all the details before I bank on it. As I see it, the Wii U's internal flash space and USB HDD support screams of a Nintendo too worried about HDDs breaking down and deciding they don't need a lot of storage space, thus everybody else can dealwithit.gif. And they will.
But, not laying hardware framework for a digital future is, in my opinion, blatantly short sighted and ignorant to how the industry is evolving. And evolving for the better, might I add.
Microsoft launching without a HDD, and surviving the time, has been fine. They didn't need to launch with a HDD for the same reason they didn't launch with HDMI support: it wasn't necessary for the time. And, over time, Microsoft has adapted to demands for more space. Not just with USB support, but also a revised console that supports traditional HDD, as well as selling HDD upgrades.
The problem with Nintendo is they play to the beat of their own drum. Nintendo looks out for Nintendo. And this makes sense, from a business perspective, and is fine, because often times them doing this is a good thing.
But, we're at a point in the industry where digital distribution is huge, and is only going to get bigger. Not just shit like DLC and patches, but entire games. Internet is getting cheaper, speeds are getting faster, space is becoming more affordable (Thailand floods aside
And Nintendo seems to be behind in all these areas, because again, they play to the beat of their own drum. They don't see these things are necessities or of their own interest, and in typical Nintendo fashion struggle to see why they should give a shit.
USB HDD support is good, but I want to know all the details before I bank on it. As I see it, the Wii U's internal flash space and USB HDD support screams of a Nintendo too worried about HDDs breaking down and deciding they don't need a lot of storage space, thus everybody else can dealwithit.gif. And they will.
But, not laying hardware framework for a digital future is, in my opinion, blatantly short sighted and ignorant to how the industry is evolving. And evolving for the better, might I add.
We don't know the size of the Flash Storage, it could simply be 8GB (twice what the 360 comes with) or it could be as much as 32GB, this over the course of it's life span would come down to similar and even cheaper prices, and give it the room for plenty of Gamecube downloads, and should be enough to even fit a full game on (Wii U discs are 25GB single layer), either way anyone who has the high speed internet to download a 25GB game in a reasonable amount of time... lets say 100mbits per second (12MB per second) would still take over half a hour, not to mention that those speeds still have monthly caps that would quickly fill up from multiple game downloads.
Full retail downloads will also hurt gamestop and to look at it completely objectively, Sony and Microsoft might actually make enemies of both customers and retail if used game sales (25% of gamestop's yearly business) is shutdown, it could even mean that they don't even stock used games from those systems, which customers will quickly take notice of.
Basically, having some flash storage with the ability to upgrade via SD/USB hard drives and flash drives is the smart way to go. They can always upgrade the flash storage in later models to better reflect the industry's direction, but for right now, siding with gamestop and customers have huge advantages.
Edit: I also bought a 2TB USB 3.0 drive for $100 dollars from newegg recently, those prices will continue to fall and I am more hoping for USB 3.0 support than a larger flash memory, 16GB would be more than fair for initial launch of the console.
Ugh.
We don't know how much storage space they are including. If they propose 8-16GB, that should be fine for your avarage joe. Some system updates, patches, a dozen of VC downloads, etc. The more demanding gamer, will be more than aware of this "shortcoming" and will very likely have a HDD to spare, or either understand that a HDD couldn't be included for the price Nintendo will offer the console and make an informed purchase. I for one would rather pay 50 bucks less for a console without HDD.
EDIT: somewhat beaten
AceBandage
Banned
I say we just store everything on Holocubes.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The part where I state I want/need to know more on their storage solutions. Here. This part of the post;
You're welcome.
I don't give a shit what Gamestop want. Or Sony. Or Microsoft. Or Nintendo. Or anybody. None of you should. Because they are businesses, and the bottom line is the dollar. Sony/Microsoft/Whoever don't want to prevent used game sales for any other reason than capitalising on as much potential income as possible, at the expense of whoever they can. Gamespot only care about retail says because it is their source of income. It is pro-business anti-consumer behaviour.
And, sucks for them, but digital distribution is a future that cannot be stopped. Note, I did not say the complete eradication of retail says, but the growth of digital. It's not an inevitability, because it has already begun. When Microsoft/Sony, and Nintendo, realise the growing acceptance of digital purchases has wormed its way into the mind share of average joe, and that they can make a greater return on digital distribution versus retail, they won't stop for a second to do just that.
Digital distribution is only going to get bigger than it already has, and it is, for most part, good for everyone. As I like Nintendo, I don't want to see them get left behind, especially when they too could make great use of a digital, connected world.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I wonder what Nintendo will do to keep load times reasonable. Wii U is slated to have 2-3 times the amount of RAM as XB360/PS3, and uses 25 GB disks. Think the disk drive will be faster than PS3's ? Will they use another pool of slow memory to act as a buffer? Or will they use some of the flash memory for that purpose?
Just thinking out loud