Hi guys, well this site called Wii U daily seems to have found an e-mail indicating that the Wii U will be releasing November 18 in the US
source: http://wiiudaily.com/
source: http://wiiudaily.com/
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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AceBandage
Banned
Except... we know it's not.
How this thread regresses every week is beyond me.
Every negative rumor seems to just erase everything else that 99% of the people say, including people we know that work directly on the system.
You people... You give me a hard time for being a hyping fanboy, then you do the exact opposite and are giant masochistic bring downs.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Embarrassing? Really?
The bottom line is that I will be more then happy to play video games on the level of the tech demos/Zelda teaser shown at E3 any day of the week. I also have no problem playing Kid Icarus Uprising or Jetpack Joyride with my current free time, and when all things are said and done, most people won't have a problem with it either unless they are caught up in this silly little console warrior crap that takes place in the dark, dark corners of the Internet.
Hey, there's always that niggling doubt. Only because we've seen this happen before.
I've been uncharacteristically optimistic so far, and honestly that hasn't changed.
Yes, really.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
I'll be happy to let Nintendo deflower my wallet if it means the next Zelda or Mario game.
You wouldn't prefer a Nintendo console that, spec-wise, is on par with the completion, has proper 3rd party support + Nintendo games that don't look a whole generation behind?
I for one thing would love it.
I don't think they need to enter an arms race, but I want something that's better than current gen. By that I mean something along the lines of:
- Graphics AT LEAST on par with current at its best.
- Smoother framerates.
- 720
- Subscreen being able to have 3d rendered scene on it as well at a good quality level. That to me doesn't mean High end PC, just something a bit better than what we have now.
BTW, I think I'll get all those.
As far as 3rd parties go, I want those games AND I want Nintendo games. They only way to get that in one console is if 3rd parties make their games for Nintendo's console.
Nintendo will never have proper third-party support. IF Nintendo made a machine that could render Avatar in real-time at 1080p, 60FPS, in 3D, & Nintendo covered all expenses for the third-party dev they still would lose support for some reason. Third-parties know they compete with Nintendo & feel they will never sell well on a Nintendo console.
I would love it as well, but in the end I think they will choose something closer to PS3/360. I'll still buy their console just because their software output is usually good.
Sad thing is developers will always find an excuse, which is quite upsetting.
AceBandage
Banned
Exactly.
Third parties love to treat Nintendo like the black sheep.
Whether it's because of decades old grudges or just complete missunderstand of how Nintendo does business, they always have excuses.
So then, why shouldn't Nintendo just say fuck it and do whatever they want? They're not completely dismissing third parties, far from it. They fully understand their importance, and have been doing a lot to get them on board. But they shouldn't completely change their business model to please such fickle companies.
If Nintendo wants to have proper 3rd party support, they can have it.
Man you know shit is bad when Ace drops the enthusiasm act and reasons with you.
I'm noticing a weird pattern with your posts. Every time you mention Nintendo games and their look you mention them being a gen behind. How so exactly? Maybe for you, but quite a few of the things I played on Wii were more than competent especially in comparison to the last console gen and pretty damn good visually as a member of this generation's gaming library.
Perhaps you should talk more about your own preference instead of hinting at this vague "others" when you talk about Nintendo's current games being interpreted (visually) as a generation behind -- whatever that's supposed to mean.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Who exactly is it embarrassing for, you?
I guess all 90k+ of us owning a Wii (which is arguably on par with a Xbox) should of been paying attention to all the cool kids playing on something that isn't "embarrassing".
Oh yeah, we were having to much fun playing good games to give a real shit that Super Mario Galaxy wasn't running on a more powerful console.
AceBandage
Banned
I just get tired of it. I don't mind the emotional rollercoaster.
I do, however, hate the wishy washy BS where people can't rationally think for themselves.
I'd say it would be embarrassing for the engineering and financial divisions that they could not come up with a cost-effective SKU that could match 7 year old tech. If the rumor was true, which it probably isn't.
I have no inclination to argue with you, because aside from this one point of contention, I'm sure our ideals are in the same place. (if you can construe anything else, you're just looking for a fight, sorry)
What are the chances of Nintendo giving us some official information (a screenshot of a game, some new Wii U feature, a partnership) before E3? I haven't really followed any other game console as closely as I'm following the Wii U now (I'm pretty young 
) so I'm just now realizing how tight-lipped Nintendo is.
Mi cuerpo esta listo para lo que sea Reggie!
) so I'm just now realizing how tight-lipped Nintendo is.Mi cuerpo esta listo para lo que sea Reggie!
What are the chances of Nintendo giving us some official information (a screenshot of a game, some new Wii U feature, a partnership) before E3? I haven't really followed any other game console as closely as I'm following the Wii U now (I'm pretty young
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TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
What are the chances of Nintendo giving us some official information (a screenshot of a game, some new Wii U feature, a partnership) before E3? I haven't really followed any other game console as closely as I'm following the Wii U now (I'm pretty young
Mi cuerpo esta listo para lo que sea Reggie!
Not sure but no chance a first party game is shown before E3 or at least that's what I think.
They wouldn't keep it under wraps so long and so well to just let it out before the biggest videogame event around.
TheCongressman1
Member
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bgassassin
Member
The fact that this joke got the amount of attention it did shows the inherent nature residing on this board.
MadOdorMachine
No additional functions
You can keep referencing the E3 demos over and over again to show people, but it's how it's going to be until the system is released. At the very best, I expect it to like comparing PSP to 3DS. It will look better in some areas than PS3/360, but in others it won't. We've already seen that Wii U is at a minimum on par with PS3/360.
The real problem with specs (you'd think that a 2008 GPU would be superior) is that you have to take into account the tablet screen. That's what I'm really interested in. If a dev decides to opt out from using it completely, will the graphics be any better? Are the GPU resources split between the tv and tablet or is there a dedicated amount of resources to use.
Graphics are important and I'll be upset as everyone else if it turns out to be underpowered, but at the end of the day, it's the games that count. It appears Nintendo is trying to get third parties on board and I don't think it will be a Wii situation again. It will be an interesting experiment if PS4 and nextbox require an internet connection and omit used games. It's possible it could turn into a huge advantage for Nintendo.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I'm not trying to argue either. First of all, companies are folding left and right because of development costs, so to say something is embarrassing because it doesn't meet other "standards" is a bit naive considering you're most likely only looking at things from your perspective and not considering all the factors of running a successful company. Ask Sony how that is going for them right now with the Vita.
Secondly, Nintendo is surely more then able to produce a console on par or superior to what is expected from next-gen, but are choosing not too. How is something embarrassing when a company is choosing a different method to to approach a market because they believe it will have a higher chance of being more successful then (for example) the all-guns-ablazing method of the Gamecube.
Thirdly, all that matters is the games. The DS had no business being as weak as it was, and had a chance in hell of beating the PSP. But here we sit today with the DS about to become the best selling video game system off all-time. Some will argue it had a lot to do with the innovation of touch/dual screens, cheap price, and unique interface, but the bottom line is that nobody would of bought the thing unless it had the games to prove those features were worth experiencing and worth the price of admission.
At the end of the day, the only people that will be "embarrassed" by the Wii-U being as powerful as the HD-Twins is (like I said before) the console warriors of the world.
Note: I'm assuming that the Wii-U = HD Twins for the sake of discussion.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Would Mark Rein really praise a machine that had inferior specs than current generation???
Possibly because it can now run his engine and that's all he cares about but he's a graphics whore if there ever was one.
The graphics of the Wii U are a complete non-issue(to me) as I know they will be be great, the only issue is whether it will be able to get any third party games when they other two consoles hit.
I'm still unclear of that but I guess raw power has nothing to do with that and rather components of the tech(???).
Possibly because it can now run his engine and that's all he cares about but he's a graphics whore if there ever was one.
The graphics of the Wii U are a complete non-issue(to me) as I know they will be be great, the only issue is whether it will be able to get any third party games when they other two consoles hit.
I'm still unclear of that but I guess raw power has nothing to do with that and rather components of the tech(???).
AceBandage
Banned
Streaming video to the screen takes basically no resources.
It when you render a different picture that it starts eating into the power, just like split screen gaming does.
Oh God, the images in my brain.
Yeah, I guessed as much. I was just trying to reach for some small piece of hope. It's just, all these rumors are messing with my emotions.
In essence, that's what the demo they showed at E3 does: Like a split screen, only the split is between the Main and the Sub screen.
Me Gusta
I guess it's fair enough to feel that way, everyone has their own perspective and expectations from what they buy. Personally, I'm nearly a polar opposite of you. I won't touch another MS console due to build quality issues and XBL security issues. I won't touch another Playstation due to DRM, network issues and a history of cutting features through firmware.
By default, I'm left with three or four options: Wii U, PC, iOS or nothing at all.
As someone who doesn't care for power/specs at the bleeding edge, I'll be happy with Wii U and quality first party output for the most part. If that fails to please, ebay + SNES collecting will do just nicely.
My comment was based on the assumption that it =/=. If it's "on par", approximate etc, I have no problem. I agree with what you've said overall, though.
My concern is why they would even bother to muster the resources to make the tail end of the 7th generation to produce another inferior product? It wouldn't find a market amongst the core except the Nintendo fans that have been waiting for high-def iterations of their franchises.
I'm with you. I won't be buying another PS console. I love my PC and it plays 'cutting edge' games much better than any console. my wii has nintendo games which is why i own it.
I'm much more interested in the dev cycle changing. I feel like most games post the release of the 360 simply aren't as much fun as before. is HD gaming really that much of a struggle? why do i feel like the devs are fighting the consoles more so than building fun games?
If the Wii U can somehow bring about change to the current dev practice, that'll make my generation.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
On my phone, so being brief - what if they wanted a product that could sell at $179 and still break even?
Not saying is true, but what if? They have had some interesting experiences between the Wii and the 3DS.
I'd say integrate into the controller whatever components would be needed to replicate the Wii U's streaming function and sell it as an accessory for Wii, $100 or so dollars. (Plus market it heavily)
If anything I'm reasoning how incredibly stupid this rumor is, because it makes no sense for them to invest in third-parties to the extent they have, then turn around and release an underpowered system that is supposed to last another 5 years.
making games on nintendo platforms is expensive and risky. stores don't want wii games that aren't mario (and the ones that do are basically gamestop and few others). as far as handheld games go, it's cheaper to make a umd psp game than a card-based ds game. this isn't as big an issue with the bigger publishers, but for the small ones where a system helps get fleshed out, it matters a lot.
despite the industry looking scary next gen for some japanese developers, they're probably banking on sony in the console space, and hoping it translates to success in the handheld space. western developers are fully behind microsoft, and outside of ubisoft, probably won't touch the wii u, and will begrudgingly support sony (if today's rumors are true).
lwilliams3
Member
Is this 400% after they increase the speed by an order of magnitude from an earlier revision, or is this a less exaggerated statement on much their engine increased after optimizations?
bgassassin
Member
More raw power would definitely help, but having current features in the GPU would go a long way in longevity.
Hmmm. I think it's a plausible idea the Nintendo is really trying to distance themselves from Microsoft and Sony, like, by so much that it becomes a totally different experience when playing a Nintendo system (the reasoning for unique controls and weaker consoles). The Wii, a risky endeavor indeed, proved successful (it was like a reset button to their gaming business). Their success allowed for the next step in their grand plan, the Wii U. Now, their system doesn't have to have a huge graphical leap. Meanwhile, the competition is creating super powered machines to replace their old super powered machines. I think, simply put, Nintendo is just trying to remain focused on gaming as Sony and Microsoft focus on complete entertainment assimilation (movie-like games, TV setup box-like console). Nintendo will be in a scary position if they try doing the same. I would be happy with an HD Nintendo console with good online and quirky Nintendo apps. Outside of that, I can't imagine how Nintendo, the smallest of the big three, will gain major exclusive content... unless, of course, they partnered with another big company (Apple, Amazon, Google).
Cochino/a
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Grampa Simpson
Banned
I'm just saying, $70 for the pad, and $110 for the console - give it a straight 2x capability over their competitors - 2x the RAM, 2x the raw processing speed (3-4ghz, but more capable tri-core processor), and 2x the GPU grunt. Sell it for the same $249 that the Wii launched at. Certainly throws a curve-ball into the industry.
Sony and MS have to decide whether or not to it's worth matching the speed and whether it's feasible to launch a $399 launch console against Nintendo's $249.
I don't think that this is the direction that they're going to go, but I certainly find it feasible enough to argue. It would even explain the middleware woes - what's on the Wii U isn't fast enough make up for underdeveloped middleware, and it's going to take some development time to get there.
Wait what new rumors about Sony?
Pardon my ignorance, but how is this possible? Are you saying they should take a loss?
If so, that would be brilliant if it worked. There is no better time to take a loss on 8th gen hardware than right this very year.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Can't speak for him but I think he means the rumors of the Wii U being inferior to the consoles of today.
MadOdorMachine
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That's the first I heard of that. I remember hearing that it wasn't hard to code - only takes 5 min. But that it doesn't take any resources? Where did you hear that?
EvilDick34
Banned
What's so wishy washy about wanting Nintendo to act grown up and step up with the big boys aka Xbox and Playstation? And i do think for myself, i want a goddamn Nintendo console that actually has some muscle behind it in the grpahics, sound and AI department, god forbid Ace.
AceBandage
Banned
Woosh.
The sound of you not getting any of the context of my post and just trying to rile things up.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
(yes, I'm using these again! posted in the other thread too)
I mean, I wouldn't call a machine that can do ^this weaker than Xbox 360 or PlayStation3, in any way.
RIGHT GUYS ?????
I mean, I wouldn't call a machine that can do ^this weaker than Xbox 360 or PlayStation3, in any way.
RIGHT GUYS ?????
I'm a little worred
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I think Nintendo is rather mature for being itprintsmoney years old.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
What loss?
I'm saying a GPU + a gig of ram + a CPU might cost them $110 a pop if they work things just right. Even at twice the general capability of the 360. A pad is definitely doable at $70.
What if they're running the exact same playbook as they did for the Wii generation. Do something that's a small but noticeable step up from the current best of the generation (excluding PC thank you), heavily advertise it to the purchase decision makers in the house (moms) and in this case beat the competition to the punch by a year and get a bunch of multiplat from third parties for that first year, and help them question whether they want to see budgets balloon again.
EvilDick34
Banned
I'm not riling things up, your the one defending Nintendo continually shitting on it's fans. So guess what Ace, my opinion differs from yours and im riling things up? Stop trying to stir the pot bro.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Should stepping up with the big boys involve a dick waving contest?
AceBandage
Banned
Now class.
Can anyone point out the hypocrisy in this post?
Again, you took my post completely out of context, and then try and start things over nothing. Just stop, man.