Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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Mortrialus
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You've done none of that. Zoe has done much more of that that than you and in a way that doesn't really piss anyone off. No one thinks you've been a positive contributor in this thread. No one aside from yourself. Just get the fuck out already.
Foxy Fox 39
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Only when they go against his rhetoric.
soundahfekz
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lulz, backtracking at it's finest
I'm just laughing at how he ignores a technical analysis from a professional without doing the research himself to make such a claim. But they're objective and logical!
Could be worse. I've seen people in this thread believe the Sanford police department.
Dude Abides
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I'm not seeing the joke. Is that not essenially what you think happened? Megidolaon seems to think so.
BruiserBear
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If I say you're backtracking that means you're backtracking too. See, I just said it!
Obviously I have no clue if that happened, but as I just stated, it was satire about MSNBC's coverage in general. Let's just say it's been very similar to this thread.
soundahfekz
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bob_arctor
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Having not watched the news, this statement makes no sense to me. Can you perhaps explain further?
DragonSworne
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Has anyone complained about the thread title yet? It makes it seem like the family was killed and is seeking arrest from beyond the grave
BruiserBear
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I just explained a bit at the top of this page. Theatrical, hysterical, assumptions accepted as fact, focus only on things that fit the narrative you wish to express, etc, etc.
Shows dedicated to "politics" covering this story exclusively, because...... it's about politics?
To be clear, I've only watched CNN and MSNBC coverage of this case.
soundahfekz
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Zoe
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But he didn't?
BruiserBear
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That.......doesn't even make sense. I'm sorry.
Dead serious...... How is this not political? Zimmerman is defending himself with a law that was created by gun advocates. Ignoring the social issues associated with the case I would consider it political solely based off the stand your ground law
soundahfekz
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Well, it was theatrical and hysterical in the aspect of trying to play it off as a joke, when it clearly wasn't. Plus it seemed pretty accurate in fitting the narrative you're wishing to express throughout this thread.
Makes sense to me
Are you privy to information that no one else is? I mean jeez, it wasn't long ago you wrote us a guide on how to dress while outside and being black.
Zoe
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The Stand Your Ground law hasn't received anywhere near the amount of attention though that the social issues have.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I thought it was kind of funny, because I agree, anyone who scientifically wants to say he said "fucking coons" out of that muffled noise as a certainty is full of shit.
It's just as bad as the re-digitized police video.
People are grasping at straws now, because that's all their is to grasp for, no new evidence has been laid out on the table from the actual investigation that can prove what happened as fact.
Is there pictures of Zimmerman's injuries, like actual ones? I haven't seen the police deny there is, or produce any. We don't know.
Has the officers who did the first reports came out to talk about those reports. No.
Nothing that would help further the case is being made public, it's all conjecture and speculation.. with the TV media "experts" weighing because.. well it's a big story.
There's a few key pieces of evidence that would help answer a lot of questions, but I figure we won't see any of that until after the grand jury, or if it goes to trial.
Zimmerman isn't talking as well, he story isn't changing, people around him are saying things.. not him. Of course, his lawyers don't want him to talk, for obvious reasons.
So we can keep guessing on what happened from conflicting witness statements and police reports, or just wait until the grand jury charges him or not.
It's just as bad as the re-digitized police video.
People are grasping at straws now, because that's all their is to grasp for, no new evidence has been laid out on the table from the actual investigation that can prove what happened as fact.
Is there pictures of Zimmerman's injuries, like actual ones? I haven't seen the police deny there is, or produce any. We don't know.
Has the officers who did the first reports came out to talk about those reports. No.
Nothing that would help further the case is being made public, it's all conjecture and speculation.. with the TV media "experts" weighing because.. well it's a big story.
There's a few key pieces of evidence that would help answer a lot of questions, but I figure we won't see any of that until after the grand jury, or if it goes to trial.
Zimmerman isn't talking as well, he story isn't changing, people around him are saying things.. not him. Of course, his lawyers don't want him to talk, for obvious reasons.
So we can keep guessing on what happened from conflicting witness statements and police reports, or just wait until the grand jury charges him or not.
Zoe
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In the link I posted he disputed ever being there that night. It was the on-call prosecutor.
Gordon Shumway
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To be fair, its helped me look less threatening on my bike rides. DC is not quite yet used to the negroid!
Zoe
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You're justifying its presence on political shows by saying that it is about politics, but the political shows aren't discussing the political aspect anymore.
Big Baybee
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BruiserBear
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Big Baybee
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Why do you guys care so much about how the media is portraying the situation? Why not just focus on the info we have and say fuck the 24 hour news networks at this point?
BruiserBear
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Because the style of coverage from places like MSNBC encourages the public to use that same type of flawed logic in places like this thread. Make up your mind about not only George Zimmerman's guilt, but also exactly what happened in every aspect of the case. Then focus only on the things that fit your preconceived opinion, ignore or throw doubt on everything else.
Big Baybee
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Seems like a pointless crusade. Everyone knows Zimmerman is guilty even without the media spin.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
There's really not all that much credible information out there. There is very little hard evidence in this case, and nobody that really matters to the investigation is talking.
We've called into question witness statements and police reports. There is very little actual hard evidence on the case.
We have a funeral director talking, but not the coroner. We have guys on TV "enhancing" video. We have random expert saying he knows for sure who was screaming. We have all kinds of misinformation about what occurred at the police station that night.
Until the grand jury meets and hopefully if this goes to trial we were have a better idea of what happened. Until then, the media is grasping at straws to try to one-up the competition.
BruiserBear
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Maybe it is pointless, because our society has already gone too far down that road, but for me this isn't just about this case.
Look at the world today. What do we hear after every major election of the past 10 years? "His victory wasn't legitimate!". It was said after the 2000 election in the U.S. It was said after the 2004 re-election of Bush. People claimed there was voter suppression in Ohio, which is why Bush won, etc. It was said in 2008, after Obama won. "He's wasn't born in this country! He's not a legit president!". And that is just the presidential elections. You'll find this sort of thing everywhere you look.
This hysterical, loose with the facts style of discourse is destructive to reason, logic, and civility. Unfortunately I think the media world of today can't help itself, because hysterics get ratings. Social division get ratings. If the media can't be straight and civil with the facts, do we have any hope of the public doing so?
This bothers me greatly. THAT is why I care.
Big Baybee
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Well, Gore had a legitimate beef after the 2000 elections. I don't want to go down that road though. Are you a republican/conservative?
You must really not like MSNBC.
Look, you're making a lot of grandiose claims about what is and is not happening in this thread, many of those claims are hypocritical - I remember a few pages back you were bemoaning all the main stream media for playing up the "no injuries on surveillance footage" angle - except this one conservative site that artifacts this one particular still and suddenly his injury claims are legit.
You complain about us finding some narrative and sticking to it despite arguments to the contrary - weren't you going on and on about how you could see some injury in that video, regardless of the stills and gifs I presented? Considering how you have called people out for coming to conclusions so quickly, can't you see the hypocrisy in how you've been acting?
If there is anything that has frustrated me about you in this thread, it hasn't been you holding a contrary position, or you even coming to your own conclusions regardless of arguments presented to you, it's your holier than thou bullshit you keep peddling. Quit that, and maybe people will give you a smidgen of (probably undeserved) respect.
Roger Danish
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You should apply at fox news. You would fit right in.
As much as it is true a lot of the information is being kept closed in preparation for a possible trial I really don't agree with the assertion there is 'very little actual hard evidence' on the case. Phone calls are hard evidence, initial testimonies are hard evidence (For what is a matter opinion, for instance I could conclude the testimony from police is evidence of incompetence
), the video (non enhanced) is hard evidence. Timing of events taken through evidence is evidence in itself. Witnesses can be strung around and people can change what they mean or say until they are put under oath, but there is enough evidence to paint a rough picture of what happened that night, and you can also tell from that evidence who actually IS lying. I said it several times in this thread that we have come to the point where its mainly history digging and conjecture because all the rest of the evidence is being readied for a trial but the thing is this story is still news because of the fact that idea of a possible trial is still up in the air, which is why 'hearsay' evidence is so crucial, its all about painting a picture of why it needs to go to a proper trial and until we get to that point media plays a crucial role for better or worse.
bob_arctor
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Pretty much. Even the miracle "fence sitter" devoid of emotional investment has to admit all of the "soft" evidence points to that conclusion. For example, disregarding the expert claiming it wasn't Zimmerman yelling for help because, well, he's just a random expert, is all well and good, but it seems pretty obvious to anyone with fucking ears those aren't the cries of a grown-ass man. Play that tape for someone with no idea about this case and he'd say the same thing. Now this isn't to suggest we should all spin a scenario where Zimmerman donned a KKK hood and went gunning for the first young black kid he could because not only is that as outlandish as someone claiming Trayvon's last words were "You got me!" (though this actually happened) but there just isn't a need to make up a fantastical scenario when it seems pretty cut and dry.
But hey, just recently in NYC, a former cop wasn't charged with rape even though he was witnessed in the act of rape and forensic evidence pointed exactly at rape and the victim testified that she was raped, so what do I know.
BruiserBear
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Guys, please. Don't do that. I only referenced the elections as a big example of how hysterical stories are commonplace these days, and there is a certain way the media, and public go about discussing these things.
I even mentioned the election of Obama as being an example of people throwing around conspiracy's and being loose with the facts? Then you decide to ask me if I'm a republican or conservative? smh
bob_arctor
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The holier than thou shit is spot on though. That jackass Kosmo does that same shit, did it in this very thread with the "You're all being played, people" garbage of his. Not equating you with his general stupidity, just sayin'.
Just because you mentioned Obama doesn't mean your not following fox news bullet points. Investigate that liberal media! Throwing constant doubt on the case. Attacking all evidence against Zimmerman.
Reality tends to have a liberal bias, and have no doubt that Zimmerman is 100% guilty.
Roger Danish
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So you're equating Donald Trump calling Obama a secret Kenyan Muslim socialist with the people who complained that the conservative Supreme Court handed the 2000 election to Bush? Christ, dude.
Ignatz Mouse
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I both think Zimmerman is guilty *and* the stand-your-ground law needs to be repealed, but there is a certain snowballing effect going on that makes the case against him in the media look a lot worse than it is, as stuff piles on.
What the media generally is *not* doing in sorting tis out into sold facts, questionable things, and totally pointless things. It's a fair criticism, and I think some of you are coming down too hard on BruiserBear for it.
What the media generally is *not* doing in sorting tis out into sold facts, questionable things, and totally pointless things. It's a fair criticism, and I think some of you are coming down too hard on BruiserBear for it.
soundscream
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Well what you dont seem to understand is that for a bunch of us in here this is about our lives not politics.
The ability for us to walk down the street in a nice neighborhood without being assumed to be up to no good.
If Zimmerman is allowed to walk for this shit it sets a terrible precedent, for what the life of an African American is worth.
The investigation was half ass, and more then likely it was because they believed the story of a crazed black person jumping his "victim" and the only thing he could do to save his life was to shoot him.
I have to question if this was to happen to me, would my family get the same bullshit story and half ass police work?
Gordon Shumway
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End of the day, we need more balance in this thread. Better, fairer perspectives from places like the Daily Caller. All this MSNBC stuff is too one sided with a clear racist agenda. We need ever vigilant warriors to protect us from such villains. I, for one, support their efforts!
Open Source
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/87688384/Zimmerman-family-member-letter-to-NAACP
Another part of the racist conspiracy to show that Zimmerman was not racist.
Apparently he'd been planning this killing for years and needed to establish a plausible cover, because he knew that merely "having black friends" would not be enough.
Another part of the racist conspiracy to show that Zimmerman was not racist.
Apparently he'd been planning this killing for years and needed to establish a plausible cover, because he knew that merely "having black friends" would not be enough.
Dude Abides
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Lumping "the black community" into some monolithic hivemind seems kinda racist.
Also, how is "a concerned Zimmerman family member" planning to issue a press release anonymously?
You see I actually have a problem with the catch all "media" title as if they are intrinsically positive or negative to a story like this. There are organizations and shows dedicated to sifting through the facts and actually have been very barebones (NBC nightly news being one of them) about the case and when interviews are taken they are merely giving people who might be pertinent to the case a chance to tell their side of the story. And then we have personality shows which have an agenda and 'most' don't try to hide it who add on top of this. Yes those shows generally do not make a story less convoluted and they do work based on emotion. That doesn't mean I can't take something crucial away from an exchange or an idea even if I largely don't agree with it. For instance the 'sound experts' that were on lawrence's show last night felt like smoke and mirrors, but the interview with the family of Trayvon Martin was worth listening into, especially in contrast to the family of the accused.
I don't know. I think the charge of you being hypocritical by jumping to your own conclusions but then turning around and sneering at others who do the same thing is valid.
BruiserBear
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You've got some facts messed up here.
First, I never criticized the "mainstream media" for playing up the no injuries video. ABC news attached the line "No bruises, injuries" to that video, which I thought was irresponsible on their part. A poor quality video, and they're making definitive statements about bruises/injuries? That's irresponsible journalism. Not even up for debate.
Ironically, just yesterday Good Morning America (ABC) were the ones to show the "enhanced video", and injuries being visible.
There was also a "conservative site" that made the same claim earlier, and their analysis did come to same conclusion ABC eventually did.
The bottom line is that I was arguing in favor of uncertainty, rather than an exact point of view, like YOU are. There is a massive difference between our two points of view, but for some reason your brain interprets "not agreeing with me", as "must be choosing the other "side".
Again, big differences here. The video comes, with ABC labeling it with "no injuries", and many people immediately posting here "No injuries! No broken nose!".
In the video though we see an officer examining the back of his head, and we see what appears to be some sort of marks on the back of his head. We also have a police report saying there was "blood on the back of his head". Do you see where this is going?
3 different arrows pointing in the same direction. There is evidence to suggest those things amount to something being there. Whether it was severe or not isn't the point. People making immediate claims of "nothing" stand in direct contrast to other pieces of evidence. In the end I hope we have pictures to settle this once and for all.
You're kidding yourself if you believe the mob mentality in this thread allows for any respect of anyone not towing the mob line. It's happened a hundred times in this thread already. Someone shows up with a contrary view, and is replied to 5 times telling them how racist, dumb, or wrong they are.
And I'm being the judgmental one?
Fox News bullet points? Throwing constant doubt on the case? Attacking all evidence against Zimmerman?
What reality are you living in?
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