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Nah, not documentaries. Though I'm sure he'll be taking some 3D camera with him. He just wants to explore. But I thought he would get A2 into production for sure by the first half of this year. They set up the studio space in California like 6 months ago.
 
I certainly hope that the story and characters are even half-way decent in the next two Avatar movies. The writing, storytelling, setting, and characters were just awful in the first. There is no Dances with Wolves 2 to rip off this time, there is "FernGully 2: The Magical Rescue" and "Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World" though!

Bring back the James Cameron of "The Terminator" or "Aliens", PLEASE.
 
Is there any way to legally see the director's cut of this short of buying the BD set? Doesn't seem like Blockbuster/Redbox have it. I'm interested in seeing what (if anything) it really adds, but I have zero desire to own the movie / spend $30 on it.
 
Avatar sequels shooting in NZ perhaps?

Director James Cameron’s newly purchased farmland in New Zealand outside Wellington is fueling local speculation that he intends to make a significant portion of his two Avatar sequels in New Zealand. Reports say Cameron’s property is about 12 miles from the estate of fellow filmmaker Peter Jackson who’s currently at work on two-parter The Hobbit. Cameron’s property amounts to nearly 2,500 acres in the Wairarapa region about 50 miles northeast of Wellington, records show. The Avatar director owns two separate properties in the vicinity known for beef, sheep and dairy farming as well as vineyards. Cameron reportedly paid about $16.7 million. Records indicate Cameron and his Malibu-based family plan to “reside indefinitely” in New Zealand.
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julls said:
I love how you think your experience of the movie must be the same as everyone else's.
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I didn't say I thought everybody had the same opinion. Those are my points of view, I didn't want to patronise by writing "In my opinion" after everything I say because I assumed people would be intelligent enough to realise this was my point of view. Although when I say the film is derivative and cliched, that's fact unfortunately.
 
Solo said:
No surprise that they would shoot in NZ.
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Actually, it is a big surprise considering Cameron and Landau had spent millions renting out a HUGE amount of studio space in California around six months ago where they specifically said they would shoot the films and practically live.
 
Oh, FFS Cameron. Last paragraph.

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StuBurns said:
I love that he can blow off the sequels to make something no one cares about, pretty cool.
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Cool? It fucking kills me how he's wasting so much time with his %#$@ hobbies when he could be making movies.
 
jett said:
We'll see Titanic 3 before Avatar 2. At this point it seems to me the sequels aren't really happening.
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They'll happen. I just don't think we'll get the first sequel till 2016.

That is of course unless Jimbo gets crushed by the thousands of tonnes of pressure waiting for him at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
 
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/03/30/james-cameron-avatar-sequels-to-draw-on-master-navigators/

“The best inspiration I got for ‘Avatar’ 2 and 3 was dealing with the master navigator culture in Micronesia,” Cameron said by phone from Tokyo on Friday, where he attended the Japanese premiere of “Titanic 3D.”
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The Micronesians, a seafaring culture who navigated the Pacific for centuries without the aid of compasses or charts, already have a lot in common with the blue Na’vi residents of Pandora — they’re an indigenous, matrilineal culture, colonized by outsiders. And the cerulean and aquamarine tones of “Avatar” and its inhabitants seem drawn from postcards from the watery Micronesian region.
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I don't know what to make of this.
 
Solo said:
We'll find out in FOUR FUCKING YEARS!

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That's optimistic. I also noticed that for the first time in a long time he's still referencing the third film, so the plan probably still is to make them back to back. For a long time from the way he was talking, we might have gotten just the second film.
 
StuBurns said:
At this point he should just make Battle Angel next, come back to the Avatars later, ten year anniversary or something.
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I kind of want him to get the hippy shit out of his system before he returns to post apocalyptic fare. Not that I don't enjoy the hippy shit. But I'm still holding out hope that the dark side of Cameron is still in there. The Cameron that makes my stomach drop with dread and makes me sick with fear.
 
Scullibundo said:
I kind of want him to get the hippy shit out of his system before he returns to post apocalyptic fare. Not that I don't enjoy the hippy shit. But I'm still holding out hope that the dark side of Cameron is still in there. The Cameron that makes my stomach drop with dread and makes me sick with fear.
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He can flip back and forth masterfully, The Abyss is the height of his hippyism, sandwiched between his raw shit.
 
Scullibundo said:
I kind of want him to get the hippy shit out of his system before he returns to post apocalyptic fare. Not that I don't enjoy the hippy shit. But I'm still holding out hope that the dark side of Cameron is still in there. The Cameron that makes my stomach drop with dread and makes me sick with fear.
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He'll feel that itch after he sees Prometheus.
 
It has yeah, but I have no doubt he's fully capable. While the final battle in Avatar goes very much for the grandeur of war his dedicated action films didn't really tackle, he still clearly has a great sense for action pacing. Even the short action scene in Titanic was excellent, and more inline with his T2 style of intimate action for lack of a better term. If and when he gets around to giving us Battle Angel (or Prometheuses, whatever he wants), I'm sure he'll be in fine form to deliver.

It's kind of off topic, in fact fully off topic, but has there been any indication of The Abyss coming to bluray? I can't imagine the hold up, Aliens was waiting to be part of the collection, Titanic was waiting for the centennial, what's going on with The Abyss?
 
StuBurns said:
It has yeah, but I have no doubt he's fully capable. While the final battle in Avatar goes very much for the grandeur of war his dedicated action films didn't really tackle, he still clearly has a great sense for action pacing. Even the short action scene in Titanic was excellent, and more inline with his T2 style of intimate action for lack of a better term. If and when he gets around to giving us Battle Angel (or Prometheuses, whatever he wants), I'm sure he'll be in fine form to deliver.

It's kind of off topic, in fact fully off topic, but has there been any indication of The Abyss coming to bluray? I can't imagine the hold up, Aliens was waiting to be part of the collection, Titanic was waiting for the centennial, what's going on with The Abyss?
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I don't know. A part of me has this bad feeling that even though Cameron doesn't need the money and says he doesn't care about it, he now sees himself as a man of the wide audience. The way he talks about his films in the past few years has led me to believe that he measures a lot of his success by how well it is received by audiences at large. There is this nagging thought in the back of my head telling me that Cameron will never make another R rated film again and that makes me incredibly sad.

The day Cameron announces Battle Angel, my immediate concern will be for rating. Because if anybody can get a huge budgeted R rated film, it is Cameron. And I want to see the uncompromising Cameron return.

As for The Abyss blu...I have nfi. I want it badly, though. But perhaps more than that, I want a proper release of True Lies that gives us some behind the scenes insights.
 
StuBurns said:
It has yeah, but I have no doubt he's fully capable. While the final battle in Avatar goes very much for the grandeur of war his dedicated action films didn't really tackle, he still clearly has a great sense for action pacing. Even the short action scene in Titanic was excellent, and more inline with his T2 style of intimate action for lack of a better term. If and when he gets around to giving us Battle Angel (or Prometheuses, whatever he wants), I'm sure he'll be in fine form to deliver.

It's kind of off topic, in fact fully off topic, but has there been any indication of The Abyss coming to bluray? I can't imagine the hold up, Aliens was waiting to be part of the collection, Titanic was waiting for the centennial, what's going on with The Abyss?
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I want to add also that Titanic goes to some pretty bleak places. Not only in the sinking sequence, but in the aftermath. In its own way, the frozen graveyard is as bleak as anything he's done.

Part of me suspects that Cameron toned down both Titanic and Avatar to fit a PG-13 because of the budgets, and that he will return to harder material - hopefully Battle Angel - because he will be able to do so regardless of budget. At least, that's what I tell myself when I watch Aliens and want that Cameron back so badly. (And Titanic is my favorite film.)
 
GhaleonEB said:
I want to add also that Titanic goes to some pretty bleak places. Not only in the sinking sequence, but in the aftermath. In its own way, the frozen graveyard is as bleak as anything he's done.

Part of me suspects that Cameron toned down both Titanic and Avatar to fit a PG-13 because of the budgets, and that he will return to harder material - hopefully Battle Angel - because he will be able to do so regardless of budget. At least, that's what I tell myself when I watch Aliens and want that Cameron back so badly. (And Titanic is my favorite film.)
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I don't think it quite manages to be as bleak as the nuclear blast wave in T2 which sets kids and mothers on fire to the backing of Sarah's screaming.

A part of me actually wants Cameron to go and make Last Train to Hiroshima.
 
Scullibundo said:
I don't think it quite manages to be as bleak as the nuclear blast wave in T2 which sets kids and mothers on fire to the backing of Sarah's screaming.

A part of me actually wants Cameron to go and make Last Train to Hiroshima.
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It's not as grand or flashy, no. But I actually find it more unsettling and personal than the large scale apocalyptic scene in T2. And it's a longer and more sustained image. YMMV, but it's an unflinching sequence of despair and death that has always affected me more than T2's nuclear apocalypse (despite the thematic overlap).
 
GhaleonEB said:
Part of me suspects that Cameron toned down both Titanic and Avatar to fit a PG-13 because of the budgets, and that he will return to harder material - hopefully Battle Angel - because he will be able to do so regardless of budget. At least, that's what I tell myself when I watch Aliens and want that Cameron back so badly. (And Titanic is my favorite film.)
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The extra features on the Avatar bluray show takes including Weaver saying fuck and some other obscenities, so I think at one point they were considering an R cut of some sort. I doubt it was ever going to be the theater release just because the budget and the audience it needed to reach, but there are reasons to suspect a higher rating was considered.
 
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=88840

In October of 2010, Twentieth Century Fox announced that James Cameron's Avatar 2 was targeted for a December 2014 release and would be followed by Avatar 3 in December of 2015. Producer Jon Landau now tells Empire that "2014 will be a tough date for us to make. It's about getting it right... Movies make release dates; release dates don't make movies."

He does say they have started working on the sequel already, however. "WETA are already working and we have our core team, (animation supervisor) Richie Baneham and (digital effects supervisor) Nolan Murtha, working with us. And we're working on underwater performance capture."

Regarding the underwater scenes, he added that "It's going to be like the Floating Mountains in the first movie. It's not going to be all underwater; it's going to be a place we go to, leave and come back to."
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GhaleonEB said:
Underwater performance capture...jesus. Because the Abyss was not challenging enough.
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Yeah, I don't it's quite as challenging as The Abyss. In fact, I think between The Abyss and Titanic, Cameron will never have a shoot as fucking brutal again. He has two of the hardest shoots in history by himself. He must love that everybody kisses his ass these days and doesn't fight him on sets.
 
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