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Watched the deleted scenes on the blu-ray again last night and there were some substantial things cut from this movie. In particular I'd say the Vision Quest sequence from Jake's conversation with Grace before going back under the link al the way through the actual Vision Quest is the biggest thing cut. I really think it would have made Jake becoming part of the The People more impactful if they went with the Vision Quest rather than him simply taming the Bansheeray thing in the Mountains.

The other deleted scene i really liked was the Avatar drivers raiding Hell's Tower. Made Selfridge look like a little punk.

I also read the scriptment and there was a lot cut from that that i would have love to see ... Jake watching the Avatar being born on the trip over ... the avatar junkie guy whose avatar died .. killed by a Slinger .. watched himself get eaten alive and was never same again ... then there is N'Deh, their travel guide, who is sleeping with Grace and the media journalist who records a lot of the events on pandora .. there is a lot more info about RDA and the Interstellar Commerce Guild or something .. how they gave the RDA permission to travel abroad and look for precious resources lacking on earth and how the RDA was hoping to make Pandora a slave labor camp for the Navi because it was so costly to travel to Pandora. Lots of little details that would have fleshed the world out. Shame they are missing.
 
JB1981 said:
Watched the deleted scenes on the blu-ray again last night and there were some substantial things cut from this movie. In particular I'd say the Vision Quest sequence from Jake's conversation with Grace before going back under the link al the way through the actual Vision Quest is the biggest thing cut. I really think it would have made Jake becoming part of the The People more impactful if they went with the Vision Quest rather than him simply taming the Bansheeray thing in the Mountains.

The other deleted scene i really liked was the Avatar drivers raiding Hell's Tower. Made Selfridge look like a little punk.

I also read the scriptment and there was a lot cut from that that i would have love to see ... Jake watching the Avatar being born on the trip over ... the avatar junkie guy whose avatar died .. killed by a Slinger .. watched himself get eaten alive and was never same again ... then there is N'Deh, their travel guide, who is sleeping with Grace and the media journalist who records a lot of the events on pandora .. there is a lot more info about RDA and the Interstellar Commerce Guild or something .. how they gave the RDA permission to travel abroad and look for precious resources lacking on earth and how the RDA was hoping to make Pandora a slave labor camp for the Navi because it was so costly to travel to Pandora. Lots of little details that would have fleshed the world out. Shame they are missing.
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In all this probably would have made the movie about 6 hours long. Not that I would have minded, because it all sounds interesting and worthy, but it probably wouldn't have been commercially viable.
 
Also there is a deleted scene of the training montage that is temp scored to Hans Zimmer's The Thin Red Line score and it went sooo well with the footage. It gave the whole movie a different feel. So good.
 
JB1981 said:
Watched the deleted scenes on the blu-ray again last night and there were some substantial things cut from this movie. In particular I'd say the Vision Quest sequence from Jake's conversation with Grace before going back under the link al the way through the actual Vision Quest is the biggest thing cut. I really think it would have made Jake becoming part of the The People more impactful if they went with the Vision Quest rather than him simply taming the Bansheeray thing in the Mountains.

The other deleted scene i really liked was the Avatar drivers raiding Hell's Tower. Made Selfridge look like a little punk.

I also read the scriptment and there was a lot cut from that that i would have love to see ... Jake watching the Avatar being born on the trip over ... the avatar junkie guy whose avatar died .. killed by a Slinger .. watched himself get eaten alive and was never same again ... then there is N'Deh, their travel guide, who is sleeping with Grace and the media journalist who records a lot of the events on pandora .. there is a lot more info about RDA and the Interstellar Commerce Guild or something .. how they gave the RDA permission to travel abroad and look for precious resources lacking on earth and how the RDA was hoping to make Pandora a slave labor camp for the Navi because it was so costly to travel to Pandora. Lots of little details that would have fleshed the world out. Shame they are missing.
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The script had me salivating. Giant floating air jellyfish? Pandoran animals constantly besieging the human base, killing workers and the huge gun turrets they had bascially firing non-stop to make it even possible for humans to be there? But of course that would've destroyed the Pandora is so beautiful thing, I guess, even though the contrast between humans forcing their way into this world and having to fight it at all times would've contrasted so well with the natural inhabitants living in relative peace with each other besides a bit of carnivore action here and there.
 
Binabik15 said:
The script had me salivating. Giant floating air jellyfish? Pandoran animals constantly besieging the human base, killing workers and the huge gun turrets they had bascially firing non-stop to make it even possible for humans to be there? But of course that would've destroyed the Pandora is so beautiful thing, I guess, even though the contrast between humans forcing their way into this world and having to fight it at all times would've contrasted so well with the natural inhabitants living in relative peace with each other besides a bit of carnivore action here and there.
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and then pandora (cameron literally calls the god of pandora Gaia in the scriptment, rather than Eywa) views the humans as a virus .... at the end of the end of the scriptment jake says to selfridge if humanity ever returns to pandora the planet will create a virus so deadly that it will wipe out mankind.

i think cameron lost it a little when he wrote that draft lol
 
I liked the first one a lot so I have no qualms with this. I think it could be overkill but it depends on the breadth of the story he wants to tell. If he can sustain it across four movies, he can be my guest, but he'll have to really calm his personal agendas or at least make them not so obvious.

But Cameron will do what Cameron wants to do. I don't have a problem with his "agendas" if I get some entertaining movies out of it, but some people just seriously have a problem with it. To each their own but I hope he can find a way to tell a less "on the nose" story and focus some on the mythology.

Whatever he does, he's a much better director than most directors who try to do action/adventure flicks, so at least there's that.
 
JB1981 said:
and then pandora (cameron literally calls the god of pandora Gaia in the scriptment, rather than Eywa) views the humans as a virus .... at the end of the end of the scriptment jake says to selfridge if humanity ever returns to pandora the planet will create a virus so deadly that it will wipe out mankind.

i think cameron lost it a little when he wrote that draft lol
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The original scriptment really was insanely militant in its environmental themes and its negative treatment of the military and even mankind. No studio in America would fund that story as it was, no matter how many billions Cameron made for them. Nevermind that it would have to have been R, woulda been 5+ hours long, and would have probably cost 600+ million in addition to all the tech R&D...But reagardless it would have been a PR nightmare and would alienate so many audiences. If you thought it was bad when Fox News was raging against Avatar being anti-american or some shit, oh man, it coulda been way worse. Way worse lol.

The scriptment was essentially unfilmable, and really all it was ever meant to be was a guide/bible for when he decided to make the film for real.
 
It definitely most likely is the purest and most unfiltered Cameron written script in existence I think. Completely devoid of any imposed politically correct limitation. The themes in the scriptment have been permanent obsessions of his during his entire career, but never taken to the extremes they were here.

I just hope we can get one more glimpse of that in his next films. At the moment, he truly does have an amount of clout that most likely no other director in the history of film has ever had before.
 
LOL. Cameron hasn't even finished the script yet. Expect it 2020!

Q: How is Avatar 2 progressing?
A: We are working on early pre-production, developing new software and improving the whole virtual production pipeline. The first film was highly experimental. The sort of equivalent to if we were building the next generation sub we would apply all the lessons to the highly experimental one. I am in the process of writing the script so it is all cranking along in the background.
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http://www.ttmag.com.au/2012/07/23/...n-about-technology-scuba-diving-and-avatar-2/

Damn you, Cameron.
 
Additional wait as Cameron is actually preparing to genetically engineer real life Avatar clones in order to film the sequels as 100% live action

Also building de-aging device for Arnold in order to play the younger brother of Colonel Quaritch
 
Dead said:
Additional wait as Cameron is actually preparing to genetically engineer real life Avatar clones in order to film the sequels as 100% live action

Also building de-aging device for Arnold in order to play the younger brother of Colonel Quaritch
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Well... there goes any hope of seeing it in my life time. And I'm only 30!
 
The “Avatar” sequels, Mr. Cameron said, will almost certainly be shot in Mr. Jackson’s Wellington production studio, about 15 minutes by helicopter from Pounui. Visual effects will be completed at nearby Weta Digital, owned by Mr. Jackson and his partners, though motion-capture work on the “Avatar” sequels will still be done on a stage in California. “Avatar 2” will not be ready until 2015 or later, at least a year past the 2014 date Fox executives once had in mind.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/m...n-new-zealand.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&ref=arts
 
FOX should use the Avatar sequel to troll the other movie studios and get the release dates they want for their own movies.

'Oh FUCK! Lionsgate is putting out the Hunger Games sequel in the July 11 slot we wanted for the new X-Men film!'

PRESS RELEASE: Avatar sequel hitting July 11.

*Lionsgates pushes THG2 forward by two weeks*

*FOX slip X-Men into July 11 slot and announce Avatar delayed*
 
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lol
 
Scullibundo said:
What are you saying, monkey? You would rather we post new threads?
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that would be awesome. Like you used to before the release. Or you can do something like up thread where it is for people who love the movie. I always think there is new news out when I see this bumped instead I see artist's picture and your gif lol.
 
crazy monkey said:
that would be awesome. Like you used to before the release. Or you can do something like up thread where it is for people who love the movie. I always think there is new news out when I see this bumped instead I see artist's picture and your gif lol.
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Well it was only a week ago in this thread that I posted Cameron's comments which pretty much confirm the sequels as not hitting for another 5 years. But yeah, artist is a big avatar fan, god bless him.
 
Fuck, everytime I see this thread bumped I hope for more good news on the sequel.

Now all I know is that I'll be almost 22 when it arrives.

This is bullshit Cameron, get a move on!

*EDIT* if it arrives in 2015... which it won't.
 
Ubermatik said:
Fuck, everytime I see this thread bumped I hope for more good news on the sequel.

Now all I know is that I'll be almost 22 when it arrives.

This is bullshit Cameron, get a move on!

*EDIT* if it arrives in 2015... which it won't.
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It'll be 2017. 2016 if something miraculous happens.
 
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