They can see the writing on the wall. His head wasn't bash and they fucking know it. Now they're trying to say his head was shaken and could've harmed him, so he was forced to kill an unarmed child?
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Dreams-Visions
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CrazyDogg77
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He really said that. Oh my god
This is real? This is really real? For real?
"There are often no visible external signs such injuries have occurred."
As I (and many others have said), he had no injuries. Even the police trainer that CNN interviewed said the most time amount of time that the SPD (not the paramedics because they were turned away) could've spent with Zimmerman was 8 fucking minutes.
As I (and many others have said), he had no injuries. Even the police trainer that CNN interviewed said the most time amount of time that the SPD (not the paramedics because they were turned away) could've spent with Zimmerman was 8 fucking minutes.
Devolution
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The new Twinkie defense.
Megidolaon
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What's so odd about his defense?
My dad was in an automobile accident and sustained a closed head injury. He told police he was ok, he seemed ok and didn't go to the hospital. But he actually had a severe brain injury and developed such severe memory and cognitive problems that he had to quit his job, and his personality was never the same. It got worse and worse until he was in diapers. He died a few months ago.
My point is if his head was being smacked on the ground, all it would take is one hit to do the job. He is lucky that he is ok. And I'm sure his medical records will confirm if he had any injuries. But just because he doesn't have a traumatic brain injury, doesn't mean he wasn't in fear of it.
My dad was in an automobile accident and sustained a closed head injury. He told police he was ok, he seemed ok and didn't go to the hospital. But he actually had a severe brain injury and developed such severe memory and cognitive problems that he had to quit his job, and his personality was never the same. It got worse and worse until he was in diapers. He died a few months ago.
My point is if his head was being smacked on the ground, all it would take is one hit to do the job. He is lucky that he is ok. And I'm sure his medical records will confirm if he had any injuries. But just because he doesn't have a traumatic brain injury, doesn't mean he wasn't in fear of it.
wtf is this shit
do you understand the differences in magnitude between a grown man shaking an infant and a teenager possibly shaking a man who is 100 lbs bigger than he is?
wtf is this shit
CrazyDogg77
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He's been a contrarian this whole thread.
I dont think you understand what is being saying here.
Btw what is the twinkie defense?
Headline is pretty stupid and sensationalistic.
Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Lawyer States Zimmerman Acting In Self Defense would be better although pretty much just tells us what we already heard.
The whole case is a joke anyway. I think Zimmerman should be charged with murder, but I don't think racism plays a big part in it. If it was a white kid, MAYBE Zimmerman wouldn't have followed him (although you could make the claim that most Americans would be suspicious of Eminem walking around in a hoodie). But I don't think that (all things staying the same) Zimmerman wouldn't have shot Trayvon if he were white.
EDIT: And some of you guys are pretty narrow-minded. You can pretty easily bash someone's head in even if they're heavier than you. I still think Zimmerman's guilty of murder, but be reasonable.
Megidolaon
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He wasn't 100lbs bigger.
The SBS comparison is to illustrate that shaking or smacking somene's head, as Trayvon was alleged to have done, is putting someone in reasonable fear for their life.
The SBS comparison is to illustrate that shaking or smacking somene's head, as Trayvon was alleged to have done, is putting someone in reasonable fear for their life.
Dreams-Visions
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There really is no evidence that his head was being pounded into the ground. There isn't even a suggestion that he had a concussion. And really, in a fight, you're not thinking about concussions; you're thinking about winning the fight. This is a stupid argument being put forth by the defense because their defense is light on substance at the moment.
Wtf? A two ton vehicle is a lot different than a 150 lb kid...
To the people who are sad because their legitimate points about consistency of evidence are being ignored or stamped as contrarianism, that is because the thread is filled with morons and Zimmerman apologists and yes, contrarians. Now that may mean it's not a welcoming place for your point of view, but don't feign surprise. This thread is a goldmine of latent racism too.
Okay, lets real it back in so you don't have to run in circles around your own bullshit and save everyone the time.
An adult, approx. 150lbs, shaking an infant in the air is definitely on the same scale as a teenager shaking a man who has a clear weight advantage over him.
True or false?
Megidolaon
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If the man is on his back and the teen is on top of him hitting his head on the ground, then yes, both have the potential to inflict great harm.
And I'm not being a contrarian. I believe Zimmerman is telling the truth. When his site goes up, I may donate to his defense. I feel bad for him.
Except he never got his head bashed on the ground.
The defense being put forward is an attempt to show that he was in danger because he was shaken so violently (and without obvious, immediate injuries) that he had to act in order to defend himself. The whole shaken baby thing works because its a person at least 6 times larger than the other doing the damage - its not even applicable.
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Mike Tyson bit Holyfields ear because of shaken baby syndrome confirmed.
Have you read everything that's been said by him, and all the facts so far?
If you have then you're being willfully ignorant to defend someone who at the moment has no proper defense arguments that goes against everything else. You know that right? In other words there is nothing on Zimmerman's side that can justify what he did before and during the events of the shooting.
Have you read everything that's been said by him, and all the facts so far?
If you have then you're being willfully ignorant to defend someone who at the moment has no proper defense arguments that goes against everything else. You know that right? In other words there is nothing on Zimmerman's side that can justify what he did before and during the events of the shooting.
Way to miss the physics at work.
And why do you feel bad about a fake ass Neighborhood Watch "captain" killing someone? Martin could've been slinging crack on the corner to kids for the low low price of free.99 while singing "fuck whitey" and Zimmerman still would've have no legal grounds whatsoever to shoot him.
I think you're one of few here to be gaf enough to actually admit to this.
Props, while I don't agree with your opinion. Sure as hell respect your ability to declare it.
Full CBS interview
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...media/?tag=morningFlexGridLeft;flexGridModule
So much garbage and I like how he dodge that one question.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...media/?tag=morningFlexGridLeft;flexGridModule
So much garbage and I like how he dodge that one question.
CrazyDogg77
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Why would you feel bad for him?
Points should still stand regardless of who makes them if they're accurate. And people here shouldn't become more narrow minded in the opposite direction just because of idiots. I don't mind Zimmerman being tried for murder and being convicted. I mind people declaring that he is 100% guilty without having all of the facts. The facts now point to a convincing verdict of guilty, but it's never a sure thing when you have a jury and a good lawyer (not that I think his lawyer is amazing or anything).
He didn't equate it to Shaken Baby Syndrome. He just brought it up to make a point. I hate how I want to use hyperbole to explain something and people try to call me out on it as if I'm equating A to B.
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But, you see, the evidence that he was actually getting his head smacked on the ground to any significant degree is pretty weak. That is probably why they're reaching for this shaken baby nonsense.
Angry Fork
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I don't understand how the entire thing has suddenly shifted onto Zimmerman had a right to defend himself.
HELLO. TRAYVON HAD A RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF.
Even if Trayvon lived and managed to kill Zimmerman in ACTUAL self defense, HE WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT. Zimmerman stalked him down and initiated everything because he's an egotistical wannabe pig racist, despite not having any authority over the kid and told to stay back by police. It's his fucking fault from the get-go. That fact alone completely kills any future defense about Zimmerman "defending" himself from an attack HE CAUSED.
HELLO. TRAYVON HAD A RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF.
Even if Trayvon lived and managed to kill Zimmerman in ACTUAL self defense, HE WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT. Zimmerman stalked him down and initiated everything because he's an egotistical wannabe pig racist, despite not having any authority over the kid and told to stay back by police. It's his fucking fault from the get-go. That fact alone completely kills any future defense about Zimmerman "defending" himself from an attack HE CAUSED.
I don't think he did either, but can you prove it right now? Does it say that they fought on concrete? Getting your head bashed into grass (overlying hard dirt) wouldn't leave much of an external injury but could kill you. Same with someone stomping on your head in a certain way.
He doesn't have the same rights as zimmerman in a lot of peoples eyes, Even though zimmerman started the entire thing, while armed. Its the point that people don't want to admit while bending over backwards to defend zimmermans right of defense. Zimmerman had the weapon, and it was his duty to use it wisely. Not many people go after a guy brandishing a weapon.
Yes, and trayvon did this all while screaming help... and 'You got me!'
I can prove it. Whoever was screaming, wasn't having their head bashed in on concrete or grass. There weren't any pauses or breaks, just a lot of screaming. If anyone was getting head trauma enough for them to fear death, they more than likely would have been losing consciousness.
Trayvon didn't have wounds to his head, neither did Zimmerman. as far as net-detectivtry goes. Now sure, we don't know any of this. So then lets just lock the thread, and not discuss anything until theres further evidence. Or, we can use our brains, personal experience, and common sense to know that Zimmermans ever-changing story and inconsistency are illustrating him as a liar. If anyone was betting money on whether or not Z was telling truth, absolutely no one here defending him would. But here, its good for a debate.
Yep. If there were any physical signs of trauma to corroborate Zimmerman's story they would clearly not need to cite shaken baby syndrome, which obviously is not applicable in the case of a fully formed adult brain.
Seriously. For a second, I started to shake my head in disbelief, but then I thought, "Well, hell, at least he(?) had the fucking balls to say it, instead of tip-toeing around it like many others in this thread have."
I definitely have to give him(her?) props for that.
Anyway, "shaken baby syndrome?" Get that shit out of here. So, how many times is Zimmerman's story going to change? So, is he now saying he WASN'T beaten to a bloody pulp, and was now afraid because his head was being shaken, and THAT'S why he shot him? Come on, son. This shit is getting ridiculous.
Manslaughter at least. Too much evidence throws a big fat question mark over Zimmerman's various claims.
As I've stated before, the real world doesn't work out like an episode of Law and Order. Things aren't always twisty and turning, full of last minute reveals and "surprise" witnesses.
The simplest explanation is usually the closest to the truth:
Zimmerman saw Trayvon walking down the street at night.
Due to his previous suspicions of blacks in the neighborhood, he calls the cops.
When the 911 dispatcher tells him not to follow, he disobeys, and follows Trayvon.
Some sort of confrontation takes place.
Zimmerman pulls his gun and shoots Trayvon, killing him.
Pretty fricking simple. All the inbetweens are almost irrelevant. Bickering over whether or not he said "fucking coons," is irrelevant.
Zimmerman should have stayed in his damn car and let the police, the ACTUAL people with authority, do their jobs. He did not, and he deserves to be held accountable for his actions, which, so far, he has not been. Simple as A, B, and C.
A lot of us have made some mistakes and bad decisions in our lives, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us haven't had those mistakes end with us pulling a gun on a complete stranger and shooting them dead.
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So you will donate to a guy of known aggression, violence and possible abuse in his past...who profiled a kid, physically stalked him in a vehicle, exited the vehicle to chase him down while he was fleeting, aggressively cornered and confronted him face to face and then shot him?
And you are donating to this guy?
As always, great post. But yes, that is the only thing that happened. Whether or not this Castle Doctrine will get Zimmerman off, is one thing, the reality of the situation is that he killed someone after racially profiling them, and wasn't arrested or thoroughly investigated. I hope that it lays the groundwork to have the law modified, as this is an injustice that did not need to happen, and doesn't need the law to protect vigilantes that start situations, knowing they can just claim self defense. Its a bit bigger than Trayvon at this point.
Someone breaks into your house? Threatens your life? Hell yes, shoot them. Trying to rip you out of a moving car? Shoot them square in the face. But no, not following someone with the mindset that "These Assholes Always Get Away." All while ignoring police, and Trayvons right to defend himself, since he felt his life was in danger, as Zimmerman had a gun.
BruiserBear
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I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to your father.
But feeling bad for Zimmerman? Dude. No. Just no.
You want to know the real kicker? Zimmerman attended and helped coordinate a neighborhood watch meeting last September and the police officer addressing the group specifically stated that neighborhood watch members are not supposed to pursue/confront people and they aren't supposed to be armed. But what does fucknuts do? He does exactly what he wants because of his ego. I guess vigilantes gonna vigilant.
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Big Baybee
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All I can do is lol.
soundahfekz
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Some one has to play the role, or else the thread becomes a circle jerk.
At least he can admit it. Think about the other posters... Must be green with envy that he doesn't have to pussy foot around like they do.
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