Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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SmokeMaxX said:
Explain. I'll do my part and then you do yours. Deal?

Zimmerman jumps Trayvon. Trayvon defends himself and manages to get on top. He has an adrenaline rush and wants to subdue Zimmerman (and is angry that he was jumped) so he starts bashing his head in. He's also screaming for help because he wants help since the other guy is bigger than he is.

How unreasonable is that? If I got attacked, I'd still be yelling help even if I was winning.
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The characteristics of the screams do not support your scenario.
 
Loudninja said:
Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Lawyer Cites 'Shaken Baby Syndrome' As Defense

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/george-zimmerman-shaken-baby_n_1408421.html

Wow his lawyers are complete morons.
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Ashley Banfield is a bad ass!

CNN DETAILS:

NEW eye witness was certain she heard a young boy scream for help.

She saw that the larger man was on top and got up after the gun went off.

http://bit.ly/HFEfJ1

This is what the defense lawyers were responding too btw . . .
 
JCreasy said:
Ashley Banfield is a bad ass!

CNN DETAILS:

NEW eye witness was certain she heard a young boy scream for help.

She saw that the larger man was on top and got up after the gun went off.

http://bit.ly/HFEfJ1

This is what the defense lawyers were responding too btw . . .
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She's the fourth person to say that they saw Zimmerman on top of Trayvon. The two female roommates, one guy, and now her. April 10th needs to hurry the fuck up and get here.
 
JCreasy said:
Ashley Banfield is a bad ass!

CNN DETAILS:

NEW eye witness was certain she heard a young boy scream for help.

She saw that the larger man was on top and got up after the gun went off.

http://bit.ly/HFEfJ1

This is what the defense lawyers were responding too btw . . .
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Zimmerman is guilty as shit, he better get what he deserves. The more information that comes out, the more angry I'm getting at the thought he'll get off.
 
Wow, this witness is really blowing holes all through Zimmerman's story. But what else is new...

Zimmerman: TRAYVON SLAMMED MY HEAD AGAINST THE SIDEWALK!
Witness: They were 4 or 5 feet away from the sidewalk; the physical altercation took place on the grass

And the video of Zimmerman shows no apparent injuries to his head. No blood, no nothing.

And then the "Shaken Baby Syndrome" defense was born.
 
There goes the bashing head of concrete when they were on the grass the whole time according to the witness who seen the whole thing since the argument.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
So you are going to donate money to a man, who nobody contests, killed an innocent teenager, even if you believe all the shite you do, recklessly and needlessly because he is a fucking douchenozzle. YOU ARE GOING TO DONATE MONEY TO THAT?


What the flying fuck is wrong with your brain?
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Maybe his head was shaken. No, not as a baby. As a grown-ass adult.
 
surly said:
This enhanced video shows an injury on his head: -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/trayvon-martin-case-enhan_n_1397022.html

Or did that turn out to be bullshit? There's so much going on with this case, it's hard to follow.
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Someone posted a black and white version in this thread and the "marks" are almost certainly wrinkles (and shadows cast) in the back of his shaved head because they weren't consistently there as he moved around. Whoever did that video really over-saturated the thing and made them look like something they aren't.

Edit: Found them. Kinitari posted these.

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surly said:
This enhanced video shows an injury on his head: -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/trayvon-martin-case-enhan_n_1397022.html

Or did that turn out to be bullshit? There's so much going on with this case, it's hard to follow.
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That "injury" is a shadow being made from the wrinkles in his head that can even be seen in the lower-quality video:

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If you take that particular frame and dress it up, it'll look like an cut or a gash.




And, from a different angle, still showing the same spot of his head:

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No shadows, and therefore nothing to perceive as an injury. Credit to Kinitari

Fake edit: I saw that BobLoblaw already responded but I was almost finished! :)

PepsimanVsJoe said:
What I don't get is that they have the enhanced video, why not actually show the part of the video where it shows these gashes?
I watched the linked video and it cut to a screenshot.
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We all know the answer to this :)
 
I just don't understand why there have been no images of his injuries released by the police. In the video, there's no blood on his shirt. There appears to be no marks or injuries on his nose. Those GIFs have 99% convinced me that there was no injury on the back of his head.

The Orlando Sentinel said:
With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.
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He doesn't look "bloody and battered" to me.
 
MIMIC said:
And, from a different angle, still showing the same spot of his head:

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No shadows, and therefore nothing to perceive as an injury. Credit to Kinitari

Fake edit: I saw that BobLoblaw already responded but I was almost finished! :)



We all know the answer to this :)
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you don't understand. our hero has healing factor. the wound finished healing from one frame to the next.
 
surly said:
I just don't understand why there have been no images of his injuries released by the police. In the video, there's no blood on his shirt. There appears to be no marks or injuries on his nose. Those GIFs have 99% convinced me that there was no injury on the back of his head.


He doesn't look "bloody and battered" to me.
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No images of specific injuries by the police, no comment from the paramedics who tended to his "injuries", NOTHING so far to corroborate his story.

I hope that we at LEAST get to hear from the paramedics (that, or hear that no one addressed an alleged head injury or a broken nose)
 
The witness declined to characterize her questioning by investigators as "in depth," instead saying "I just kind of told what I saw and heard."

She noted that when she offered to show the investigators where she saw the scuffle occur, she was told, "Nah, we don't need to see it."

She added that two phone calls to the lead detective have gone unanswered.

Her attorney, Derek Brett, said a follow-up visit on behalf of the state attorney's investigation on Wednesday yielded only 15 minutes of questioning.

"It was very general," Brett said, adding that had he been in the investigators' position, he would have had her recount her story again.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
 
ol' creasy head. If his head was gashed, they wouldn't just leave a fucking open wound for it to get infected. He'd be bandaged up, and he'd look like he was in fucking pain, not just sheepishly embarrassed to be in handcuffs. Shit's just dumb. They enhanced the video. Who? Lets see the enhanced video and not some color saturated screenshot of the one second on that 2 minute clip where it looks like there might be a line on that fat head of his.

And they still cover up the section where the camera is pointing directly at the back of his head with the ABC news banner. If they wanted to enhance something, try going back to the copy and getting rid of that. It's ridiculous.
 
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/heavily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php

Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot. The patrols are to protect "white citizens in the area who are concerned for their safety" in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting last month, says Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement. "We are not advocating any type of violence or attacks on anybody, but we are prepared for it," he says. "We are not the type of white people who are going to be walked all over."

Schoep, whose neo-Nazi group is based in Detroit, tells Riptide the patrols are a response to white residents' fears of a race riot.

A group called the New Black Panther Party recently offered $10,000 for a citizens' arrest of George Zimmerman, Martin's shooter. Schoep said the bounty is a sign that "the possibility of further racial violence... is brimming over like a powder keg ready to explode into the streets."

The patrols are comprised of between 10 and 20 locals and "volunteers" from across the state, including some from Miami, he added. He couldn't go into specifics on what kind of firepower, exactly, the patrols had with them.

Asked if the patrols wouldn't just make things worse -- spark a race riot, for instance -- Schoep insisted they were simply a "show of solidarity with the white community down there" and "wouldn't intimidate anybody."

Schoep was also quick to clarify that he isn't taking sides in Trayvon Martin's controversial shooting. "That's for the courts to decide," he says. Besides, Schoep says, Zimmerman's not even white.
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SmokeMaxX said:
Explain. I'll do my part and then you do yours. Deal?

Zimmerman jumps Trayvon. Trayvon defends himself and manages to get on top. He has an adrenaline rush and wants to subdue Zimmerman (and is angry that he was jumped) so he starts bashing his head in. He's also screaming for help because he wants help since the other guy is bigger than he is.

How unreasonable is that? If I got attacked, I'd still be yelling help even if I was winning.
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You really just don't stop to think about how stupid this sounds.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
So you are going to donate money to a man, who nobody contests, killed an innocent teenager, even if you believe all the shite you do, recklessly and needlessly because he is a fucking douchenozzle. YOU ARE GOING TO DONATE MONEY TO THAT?


What the flying fuck is wrong with your brain?
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Reminder there's people in this thread too dense/obtuse/obnoxious to understand what a smear campaign is. Defenders of Zimmerman shouldn't surprise you.
 
SmokeMaxX said:
Explain. I'll do my part and then you do yours. Deal?

Zimmerman jumps Trayvon. Trayvon defends himself and manages to get on top. He has an adrenaline rush and wants to subdue Zimmerman (and is angry that he was jumped) so he starts bashing his head in. He's also screaming for help because he wants help since the other guy is bigger than he is.

How unreasonable is that? If I got attacked, I'd still be yelling help even if I was winning.
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The tape > your ridiculous theory. Just stop
 
elrechazao said:
This is like the 50th time you've posted this same thing. Maybe stop coming in?
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Or maybe the thread could just be cleaned of such shit so we can actually discuss the case. Kind of tired of the "your theories are dumb because you guys are angry and it's blinding you to fact, I'm more objective, here's an even more outlandish theory from my objective perspective."
 
Devolution said:
Or maybe the thread could just be cleaned of such shit so we can actually discuss the case. Kind of tired of the "your theories are dumb because you guys are angry and it's blinding you to fact, I'm more objective, here's an even more outlandish theory from my objective perspective."
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What are you asking for, a ban on anyone who is discussing the case in a way you don't like? Discuss it and ignore the trolls. Stop trying to control the narrative, and stop whining every other page about how bad the thread is without adding anything.
there I just did it too, i'm so meta
 
elrechazao said:
What are you asking for, a ban on anyone who is discussing the case in a way you don't like? Discuss it and ignore the trolls. Stop trying to control the narrative, and stop whining every other page about how bad the thread is without adding anything.
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Yeah because the last I don't know many pages have been great additions to the discussion and anyone who actually wants to see the latest updates has to trudge through an exorbitant amount of shit just to get some actual news. Oh and the whole pretending to be an objective mouth piece is awesome as well. This thread is coated in thinly veiled racism and narratives about how Travyon couldn't possibly be the victim of a man who for a fact stalked him. It's a fucking awful thread and I wish there was a new one so I wouldn't have to wade through such horseshit. And yeah I will leave and find somewhere else to get updates because this crap is infuriating.
 
Devolution said:
Yeah because the last I don't know many pages have been great additions to the discussion and anyone who actually wants to see the latest updates has to trudge through an exorbitant amount of shit just to get some actual news. Oh and the whole pretending to be an objective mouth piece is awesome as well. This thread is coated in thinly veiled racism and narratives about how Travyon couldn't possibly be the victim of a man who for a fact stalked him. It's a fucking awful thread and I wish there was a new one so I wouldn't have to wade through such horseshit. And yeah I will leave and find somewhere else to get updates because this crap is infuriating.
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I don't blame you, but it's probably best to just skip the posts...I don't know why it's been like this, but it seems like when a troll gets banned, another one just pops up.

Now it's to the point where people can use "that's how my dad died" and "I'm going to donate to a guy who shot a child" as discussion points, and it's magically not trolling, for some reason.

I just scan the thread for links now, waiting for good news next week. I remember when April 10th felt like an eon.
 
Dali said:
That's why it was such a big deal. The neighbor calmly said "boom your dead" as he was firing at the fleeing thieves. Hardly something someone in fear of their life would do.
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No, it's the kind of thing that a seething mess of a person who goes through life wishing he had an excuse to kill someone, anyone, would do, and that's who most of these modern amendments to the various self-defense laws are designed to serve.
 
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