50/50 chance they were stoned when they did it
Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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50/50 chance they were stoned when they did it
CrazyDogg77
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Who tried to make this out to be a hate crime?
Witness accounts that contradict Zimmerman's account? Link?
Every altercation between two people of different races is "potentially race-related"...fortunately our courts require a wee-bit more than this to formulate charges.
Count Dookkake
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Epithet.
Big Baybee
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You serious?
krypt0nian
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You're going to comment on this without knowing anything?
It's implicit when you start talking about someone murdering another person because of their race. My argument is that there was never good reason to make this case about race in the first place. Which the media knows fully well, or they wouldn't resort to (literally) making shit up to fit their narrative.
I'm talking about Trayvon Martin's unidentified girlfriend and Mary Cutcher. I'm not providing a link, this has been discussed already.
Racism isn't illegal, nobody is going to get charged for it.
I was going to call him on that, but it does read kind of like an epitaph.
Devolution
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Oh lord here we go. Being black in suburbia is still a race issue. Unless you just ignore all the shit black people will tell you about their experiences in such places.
I haven't heard of a single person besides Zimmerman who actually witnessed the shooting. There were accounts that Zimmerman walked away uninjured after the fact, but unless he decided to crack his own head against the pavement we all know how that one turned out.
CrazyDogg77
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No it isn't. But why do you feel the need to play down the race angle?
You know a police witness does not have to have line of sight to an entire event to be a witness, right? Blind people can still be witnesses. Generally, if you are trying to find out what happened in a case where a person is dead you would want to know what witnesses have to say.
I'm going to go ahead and blame auto-correct.
Because there was never a reason to play it up in the first place. It should be a race-neutral story as far as the facts of the case are concerned. Zimmerman is a douchebag, and probably a murdering one, but I have no good reason to suspect that the events wouldn't have played out similarly had the dead guy been of a different race.
CrazyDogg77
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You know he probably considered Trayvon suspicious because he was black right? Or will you deny that too?
With Zimmerman specifically the issue is whether there would have been a dead guy of a different race in the first place, since for that entire year he was particularly on the lookout for black criminals.
With the police you could very well be correct, but their history is still bad enough to make race a concern.
Of course I deny that he "probably" considered Trayvon suspicious because he was black...there isn't a shred of evidence one way or the other. Is it quite possible? Of course.
You do know that Zimmerman called police like 6 or 7 times between August of 2011 and February reporting "suspicious" blacks, right? You'll do well to get some of your facts right before spouting off about this being a "race-neutral" story.
What about all his past calls reporting black people and his use of the word "coons" when he's talking about Travyon, that's not evidence?
It shows a pattern of behavior and it's evidence.
empty vessel
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Actually, there is reams of evidence that a typical person is more likely to consider a black person suspicious than a white person. Along with many other things. It is studied extensively, and the data is overwhelming. You are essentially asserting that Zimmerman is an exceptional person.
Lactose_Intolerant
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This thread should only be for new news like his crazy new website. Everything else in it is toxic.
CrazyDogg77
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What evidence would be needed for you to consider this racially-motivate? I'm just wondering.
If you have not been paying attention. He didn't say coons. They have done audio analysis and enhancing on the audio. The same that would be done in a trial. It wasn't coons he said.
There is no evidence at all that Trayvon was shot because he was black. The media tried to play the race card, and you idiots fell for it, hook, line and sinker.
Nobody is saying Zimmerman shouldn't go to prison. However he is clearly not racist.
In terms of stereotyping. YES, he could have done that. He may have seen what he thought was a black male, walking funny, with a hood over his face, and hands in his pockets and thought, hey, that guy looks suspicious. However it doesn't make him racist. It doesn't mean he shot the kid to death because of the color of his skin. Something the original articles were stating as almost fact.
The two times I had to call the police because someone was breaking into a neighbor's car the suspect was black. I'd be pretty damn pissed if someone implied that race was anything but incidental in those calls.
I don't know that area, but it's quite possible the bulk of property crime is committed by blacks. But so what? Middle class suburban whites don't typically need to steal shit unless they get booted by mom and dad and develop a meth habit or something. It's quite plausible that most people living in poverty in that area are blacks...you know, like lots of cities in the U.S.
Vicetrailia
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We need a gospel post, one that we can always refer to in order to save our breadth.
Devolution
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Just find the Tim Wise articles on the matter.
He didn't call only on in-progress crimes. Case in point, when he called 911 on Trayvon Martin.
His entire job as Neighborhood watch captain is to report suspicious behavior around the neighborhood.
Vicetrailia
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That's not equivalent to what Zim did. He called the police on any black man who was walking around his neighborhood.
You didn't call the police until you saw someone breaking into a vehicle, rightfully so.
CrazyDogg77
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You can be racist without saying coons or niggers or any other racial slur. I don't know where you get the idea that racism can't be internalized. It does not have to expressed verbally. And please don't call us idiots for seeing the reality that Trayvon was suspicious because of his race. That's not stereotyping. Saying blacks like chicken is stereotypical. Following an unarmed 17 year old because of his race is racial profiling and wrong.
So if blacks committed the crimes? Was Trayvon involved? Why must all blacks pay for the things done by the criminal element? It's not our responsibility to atone for their crimes. If these crimes were done by blacks take that up with them. Is property worth more than a young man's life? In the case of young black men like myself that seems to be the case.
Big Baybee
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He was self appointed, btw. Nobody asked him to patrol the area.
Your argument is hilarious.
Trayvon was followed because he was wearing a hoody, walking funny, had his head down and hands in his pocket. There is no evidence to say he was followed only because he is black. Hell, by the call Zimnerman made, he wasn't even sure Trayvon was black.
This is the same guy who mentors black youth with his wife. The same guy with black family members. The same guy who has had black friends come out and say he was NOT racist.
Yet because you have no evidence to support your accusation, it still makes him a racist?
Give me a break.
The fact of the matter is this. Trayvon was being followed because he looked suspicious. If you think Trayvon, if wearing a suit and tie, would have been followed because of the color of his skin, then you are delusional.
Devolution
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He had no such job. He was a self appointed watchman not even registered with the Official Neighborhood Watch. Uh this thread and its cycles.
If you look at my earliest post, I never justified Zimmerman's actions. Nobody has the right to confront another person on a public street and demand a damn thing of them. If Zimmerman got punched in the skull for it, it was probably deserved. And if this is how it played out, and if he then displayed a weapon, Travyon may well have been acting in self-defense when he tried to take it from him.
I just don't know enough to put together a coherent picture at this point.
People shouldn't have to wear a goddamn suit in order to avoid looking suspicious.
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Uh, I have no idea if the rest of your post is true, but that black friend later admitted that he wasn't actually friends with him, and just a family friend. Just sayin.\
Oh, and my dad is an outright homophobe. But he is absolutely fine with my cousin and my sister's best friend because "they are different." Exact quote right there. Having a black friend doesn't really mean anything.
This is me pretty much every day..... fuuuuuuck.
This is incorrect. He was part of an unregistered neighborhood watch group. However registration is not mandatory.
Devolution
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No it's not incorrect, in fact people had lodged complaints about him and he still kept the act up.
This is true, but it's also life in America.
In the middle of the night you see.
A man in a suit
A woman with groceries.
A teenager with a hoodie over his head, hands in his pockets, walking shifty.
One is simply more suspicious. Is it shitty? yes. Should it be this way? No. However that is the way things are.
CrazyDogg77
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Dude Trayvon put his hood up because it was raining and he noticed Zimmerman following him. So basically you are telling me black people need to wear a suit and tie in the rain if they want to walk through nice neighborhoods. That's ridiculous man. We're not second class citizens. We can wear whatever we want and we shouldn't be stalked and killed because of it. However you argue Trayvon was not killed because of real suspicious activity.
"Now, with Neighborhood Watch in the spotlight, organizers want people to know what it is -- and what it is not.
"I'm disappointed that people are trying to put blame onto the program when it's not the program's fault," said Wendy Dorival, who coordinates volunteer programs, including Neighborhood Watch, for the Sanford police. "Neighborhood Watch is not what took his life away."
The program was created in 1972 by the National Sheriffs' Association to help prevent crime as people relocated more often and more women entered the work force, loosening community ties. After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the initiative expanded to include emergency response, terrorism awareness and disaster preparedness.
Its core mission has not changed, however: to build a sense of togetherness so people care enough to look after one another.
Some Neighborhood Watch groups patrol their communities. Others simply observe in the course of their daily routine and report anything out of the ordinary to law enforcement.
The Neighborhood Watch at Retreat at Twin Lakes, where Zimmerman lived and was coordinator, was formed in September, Dorival said. It is not registered with the national group, but there is no registration requirement. The Sanford Police Department provides training and community signs, and informs residents about crime trends and prevention.
Zimmerman raised no red flags during an organizational meeting Sept. 22, and no one had complained about him before the shooting, Dorival said" https://www.standard.net/stories/2012/03/24/zimmerman-was-not-following-neighborhood-watch-rules
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That's life in america, deal with it! [/Blackface]
soundscream
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Have you been paying attention?
There have been experts that analyzed it and came away with him saying coons, recently another expert came out and said he didn't. So if you want to say its inconclusive fine, but dont come in hear insulting posters.
If you dont want to read through the thread and see why there are racial issues at play, I suggest you avoid posting because you make yourself look like an ass.
We don't know why Trayvon was killed. There is also no evidance saying Trayvon raised his hood after he was seen. YOU are assuming he was killed because he was black. Zimmerman says he shot him because Trayvon attacked him.
The FBI and US Department of justice are investigating. It's not going to a grand jury.
Unless every single person who has ever looked at this case is racist. I would say you were incorrect.
CrazyDogg77
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He always does this in threads about race of any kind.
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How can you come to that conclusion? We only know about the 'evidence' and opinions of the investigation from the local police. Absolutely nothing from everyone else.
No, an "expert" didn't come forward and say he didn't. They did the same audio enhancing that would be done in a trial. Everyone can go and listen. It doesn't sound remotely like the word coons. Don't take anyones word for it. Give it a listen yourself. It without a doubt sounded like coons before.
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