Mystical Tutor is banned in Legacy. Personal Tutor may soon follow, though I suspect they're just going to kill Temporal Manipulation.
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"God's Beard!"
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is 20 mana still too low when I have 3 wild growth and 3 fertile grounds?
You need mana to play those wild growths and fertile grounds first.
Take a look at this:
20 lands is too low for any deck. Even the most aggressive Red Deck Wins or White Weenie deck runs 21-22.
Take a look at this:
6 mana dorks (a mana dork is a 1cc creature that generates mana), 4 rampant growths, and 4 Solemn Simulacrums and he still runs 24 lands.
20 lands is too low for any deck. Even the most aggressive Red Deck Wins or White Weenie deck runs 21-22.
Ahh that makes sense.
Temporal Manipulation is one of the biggest mistakes I've seen WotC make in some time. It's going to be so abused in wide formats.
"God's Beard!"
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Then what should I get rid of? I feel like I have too many creatures, but they all seem to have useful abilities.
That's where having a game plan comes in. There's a difference between a card that is useful and card that is necessary to win. An important part of deckbuilding is to not fall into the mentality of "What if THIS happens and I need this card? Then I'll regret cutting it out!" Then you'll wind up with a 100 card deck with solutions for every foreseeable problem.
Magic is a battle against probability. Card X may be useful in Situation Y, but you have to ask yourself these questions:
1. Is Card X useful in Situations that are not Y?
2. Do you have enough of Card X such that when Y happens, you'll have an answer for it?
3. How likely is Situation Y anyway?
Let me take a look at it and I'll give you some suggestions for cutting. I would actually not cut Iridescent Angel or Simic Sky Swallower because they're your win conditions.
Magic is a battle against probability. Card X may be useful in Situation Y, but you have to ask yourself these questions:
1. Is Card X useful in Situations that are not Y?
2. Do you have enough of Card X such that when Y happens, you'll have an answer for it?
3. How likely is Situation Y anyway?
Let me take a look at it and I'll give you some suggestions for cutting. I would actually not cut Iridescent Angel or Simic Sky Swallower because they're your win conditions.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Celestial Mantle needs to go, unless you add in a ton more plains. The odds of you pulling that card when you have 3 plains available with how few you have is ridiculously low. I know you want to be able to pull Sovereigns and use the Mantle, but again, the odds of you pulling that all together in succession without it being interrupted with 1 card and 2 cards is just too low. Also, cut the two walls.
my rule is 'more than four, out the door', but i typically run blue so....
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
CMC?
"God's Beard!"
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Even if I use Search to get Sovereigns out? Man, Mantle is like the coolest card of all time, too :-(
I am so glad that I can feel superior to God's Beard's theorycrafting in at least one thread. 
(Generally, Aggro decks run 21-22 land, you run 23-25 in midrange, and 25-27 in control. It all depends on your curve. In Green based decks featuring a lot of one-mana donks, you often see like 23 lands, 4 Hierarchs, 3 Birds.)
All depends on the format though- Legacy is land-light compared to others due to Brainstorm.
(Generally, Aggro decks run 21-22 land, you run 23-25 in midrange, and 25-27 in control. It all depends on your curve. In Green based decks featuring a lot of one-mana donks, you often see like 23 lands, 4 Hierarchs, 3 Birds.)
All depends on the format though- Legacy is land-light compared to others due to Brainstorm.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Well, like Haly said, let's break down the perfect combo here.
You pull search right away.
Turn two. You pull the exact mana you need right away/rampant growth/fertile growth into turn 3. Either way.
Turn three, play Supply.
Turn 4 (assuming there has been no mana interruption. Play some creature.
Turn 5. Play Soverigns (if you get the right mana growth stuff out uncontested)
Turn 6. Play Mantle. Swing for 7ish.
Pretty length, specific combo for medium damage (with a definite plus in life gain.)
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I can't believe a portal card is so expensive... And speaking of expensive my friend just bought 2 or 3 temporal mastery for $30 each.
"God's Beard!"
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You're hurting my feelings :-(
..okay... no mantle... snif snif
Eldrazi Conscription is ok, right? Please?
..okay... no mantle... snif snif
Eldrazi Conscription is ok, right? Please?
Sovereigns+Conscriptions was a Tier 1 standard deck while the cards were legal. Very much ok.
"God's Beard!"
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Wait, they're banned?
Deal imo, he just needs to wait for the hype to peak and then cash in.
casting cost.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Hopefully he sells them like he says. Sometimes he waits too long and loses out.
They are the new Sorin. And by that I mean they're going to be high up until and a month after release, and slowly come down from there.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I'm hoping he bottoms further so I can purchase some.
Zzzzzzzz.
I really wish they'd move away from Green = Timmy.
Druids' Repository might be sick in GW humans though.
T1 Champion of the Parish
T2 Gather the Townsfolk
T3 Druid's Repository, attack for 5, Silverblade Paladin on Champion of the Parish
T4 HURRRRRRRRRRRR
my brothers pride and joy is his burn deck, he loves to pull it out and randomly dismantle someone who isn't prepared. with illusions, every game has me at like 2-6 life and then GG illusions drops. its hilarious.
i fear for the day when he realizes he can just hoard elemental blasts and wheel of fortune through my dazes/forces in the turn between illusions and donate.
"Fuck yo tokens."
I want.
Hell yes. It's not quite as instant-win, but I once did that trick with a Hypnox in Type 4 while Pandamonium was in play. 'Take 8 and rfg your hand.' He wasn't happy.
I want.
OH CHRIST. Now I have to buy four boxes at my LGS @_@ (I know it's not amazingly powerful, but it's a really cool, well-designed card.)
"God's Beard!"
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If you draw a card with cascade, do you have to play it immediately or can you put it in your hand then cast it normally later?
"God's Beard!"
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Ok, that helps. Thanks! Down to 70 cards, lol
edit: "blah blah spells cost 1 less to cast" cards effect cards with an x cost, right?
double edit: took out some more cards, added more land. I think I'll just stay at 70 cards for now. Thanks for the help, everyone.
edit: "blah blah spells cost 1 less to cast" cards effect cards with an x cost, right?
double edit: took out some more cards, added more land. I think I'll just stay at 70 cards for now. Thanks for the help, everyone.
I want.
I was wondering if they had something in this set that was a big FU to lingering souls and there it is. Makes me even more surprised that LS is banned in block constructed if this is kicking around.
Maybe I'm not understanding God's Beard's question correctly but if you cast a spell with cascade like Bloodbraid Elf and exile and reveal the card Giant Growth, if you choose to not play the Giant Growth it gets randomly put back on the bottom of your library, you don't get to draw it and save the Giant Growth for later.
divisionbyzorro
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If you draw a card that has the word Cascade on it, you don't have to immediately play it. But if you cast a card with Cascade, you must immediately cast the card that you revealed in order to use it. The card revealed by the cascade ability goes on the stack second, an thus resolves first.
zerokoolpsx
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Just saw Avacyn on wizards site. Expensive win condition lol.
zerokoolpsx
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O ring baby. Give her hexproof and she is there to stay. Unless someone cast Black Sun Zenith or some spell to sacrifice her.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I want.
Is that the buy a box promo? I like the looks of it.
Apparently its for the top 8 at game day.
If you cast it against someone with the G/W angel out, do they have to take the damage or does nothing happen?
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