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[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Apparently its for the top 8 at game day.

If you cast it against someone with the G/W angel out, do they have to take the damage or does nothing happen?

Ah, that's what I thought at first but it seemed way too early for that to leak. Did game day leak this early before?

 

[WanderingWind]

I think undying may be my favorite mechanic since I've returned.

 

[the_painted_bird]

I think undying may be my favorite mechanic since I've returned.

Yeah, my R/G deck is full of Undying creatures. Geists, some Wolves, and some Nearheath Stalkers. So fun to play with.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I think undying may be my favorite mechanic since I've returned.

It's fun until you're playing against it. I hate undying zombies.

 

[WanderingWind]

It's fun until you're playing against it. I hate undying zombies.

Between that and gravecrawler finally giving blue control dorks something to worry about, zombies are my new favorite tribe.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Between that and gravecrawler finally giving blue control dorks something to worry about, zombies are my new favorite tribe.

And that's why I have two grafdigger's cage + trinket mage.

 

[kirblar]

And that's why I have two grafdigger's cage + trinket mage.

Don't you want 1 Cage + 2 Mage?

 

["God's Beard!"]

I know that I said no more decks, but a 5-color scarecrow deck with Coalition Victory sounds kinda cool. Is that awesome?

If you draw a card that has the word Cascade on it, you don't have to immediately play it. But if you cast a card with Cascade, you must immediately cast the card that you revealed in order to use it. The card revealed by the cascade ability goes on the stack second, an thus resolves first.

No, it was I who misunderstood.

Hero's right, you don't "draw" cards with Cascade.

EDIT: Just came up with the stupidest set theme: A set based on gender

Maybe I'm not understanding God's Beard's question correctly but if you cast a spell with cascade like Bloodbraid Elf and exile and reveal the card Giant Growth, if you choose to not play the Giant Growth it gets randomly put back on the bottom of your library, you don't get to draw it and save the Giant Growth for later.

ok... :-(

And I got rid of my Coiling Oracles, too.

 

[ultron87]

They are just printing all kinds of hosers up in here.

 

[OnPoint]

That shuts Pod down. Phyrexian mana.

Man. Crazy times we live in.

 

[The Technomancer]

Not sure how I feel about this.

 

[echoshifting]

Paying life I can understand, shutting down sac...? I'm having trouble swallowing that. Maybe that means I'm one of the players this card is meant to shut down? ;p

 

[OnPoint]

It hurts decks that would use Morbid as an engine as well, though to be honest I haven't seen many that do.

 

[Freakinchair]

white is way too strong already

stop it wizards WHEN WILL YOU STOP

 

[Lucario]

Angel of Jubilation..... Holy shit, that is an inexpensive anthem-creature. Superior Honor of the Pure + a 3/3 flier + a phyrexian mana/sacrifice hoser all for 1WWW? Sign me up.

 

[echoshifting]

Yeah, I do get tired of about half my constructed games being against mono-white decks, and it doesn't look like this set is gonna change that =/

 

[WanderingWind]

Fuck yeah. I need a playset of that immediately.

 

[Kurtofan]

So what do people think about the possible Soratami planeswalker?

 

[Wichu]

So what do people think about the possible Soratami planeswalker?

If that means an eventual return to Kamigawa, I'm all for it. I need more cards for my Snake tribal deck

 

[OnPoint]

So what do people think about the possible Soratami planeswalker?

Details?

 

[joelseph]

Yeah, I do get tired of about half my constructed games being against mono-white decks, and it doesn't look like this set is gonna change that =/

No brofist on that! Monowhite for life!

 

[ultron87]

Details?

Third pic on here: http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/avacynrestored/world + there being 2 planeswalkers in the set

Seems kind of out of place, but I guess they can just be like "She was in the Helvault for *mumble mumble* reason."

 

[Haly]

She IS the Helvault.

TWEEST.

 

[Kurtofan]

Third pic on here: http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/avacynrestored/world + there being 2 planeswalkers in the set

Seems kind of out of place, but I guess they can just be like "She was in the Helvault for *mumble mumble* reason."

Soratami are moonfolk, she might have been drawn to Innistrad because of its moon.

 

[echoshifting]

No brofist on that! Monowhite for life!

If I get shut out by my friend's stupid white decks again this sunday I will consider this post grounds for brovorce

 

[Haly]

If I get shut out by my friend's stupid white decks again this sunday I will consider this post grounds for brovorce

Just build a deck around this and he'll be toast.

 

[Pandaman]

So what do people think about the possible Soratami planeswalker?

more ninjas is a good thing.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Don't you want 1 Cage + 2 Mage?

I have 1 cage and 3 mages main board and 1 cage sideboard. The mage are for more than just cage.

 

[The Technomancer]

Soratami are moonfolk, she might have been drawn to Innistrad because of its moon.

I like it.

 

[y2dvd]

Looks like I was wrong on how Soulbond works. Key phrase is they remain paired as long as you control both of them. Or do you still think the first phrase will keep allowing you to change the bonds whenever a creature enters?

Good to know he's human.

T1: Champion of the Parish
T2: Gather the Townsfolk
T3: Silverblade Paladin, Swinging with a 4/4 CotP with doublestrike
T4: Angelic Destiny, Cotp is now an 8/8 Doublestrike with all that other goodness (probably would give AD to SP though)

And white has Cloudshift to protect creatures? White is already beastly.

 

[ultron87]

Since it says that they "remain paired as long as you control both of them" I don't think you can end the effect manually to repair him with something else.

Edit: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/190a

When a creature with soulbond enters the battlefield, you may pair it with another unpaired creature you control. When another creature enters the battlefield under your control, if you control a creature with soulbond that isn't currently paired, you may pair it with the new creature.

 

[Haly]

EDIT: Nevermind Ultros is right.

See:

When a creature with soulbond enters the battlefield, you may pair it with another unpaired creature you control. When another creature enters the battlefield under your control, if you control a creature with soulbond that isn't currently paired, you may pair it with the new creature.

 

[echoshifting]

Hmmmm, that's a good question. Not really sure. The second line does not say they MUST remain paired but I suspect that is the intent.

Spoiler

See? Janky!

 

[Haly]

It seems to only really have synergy with blink effects.

 

[zethren]

Silverblade Paladin is for sure landing in my G/W Humans deck.

Angelic Overseer with Flying, Hexproof, Indestructible AND Doublestrike? Doesn't get a whole lot better than that.

 

[siddx]

Killing Wave makes me hard. What a fantastic fucking card. If I am reading it right, if you cast it for say 3, and your opponent has 4 creatures, they have to pay 2 life for each creature? Token killer extraordinaire.

 

[echoshifting]

So, will Lingering Souls be unbanned in block now? There doesn't seem to be any reason to keep it banned once AVR hits.

 

[Haly]

Killing Wave makes me hard. What a fantastic fucking card. If I am reading it right, if you cast it for say 3, and your opponent has 4 creatures, they have to pay 2 life for each creature? Token killer extraordinaire.

It's really not as good as you'd think.

Imagine they have 4 tokens out and an Honor of the Pure or Intangible Virtue, so that's 4 2/2s with flying. You play that, they take 8 damage, and then on their turn they swing for 8, so the board is more or less back where it started.

Since it's for each creature, they can basically choose the outcome that minimizes damage to them. I've seen it compared to cards like Browbeat, and I can see the resemblance.

 

[echoshifting]

Angel of Jubilation has no effect on a card like Killing Wave, right? Or does it?

 

[siddx]

It's really not as good as you'd think.

It's exactly as good as I think. Just because it doesn't tickle your ballsack doesn't mean it doesn't fit my style of play perfectly.

 

[narcosis219]

It's really not as good as you'd think.

Why? Is it because it's not immune to counterspells?!?!

 

[joelseph]

T1: Champion of the Parish
T2: Gather the Townsfolk
T3: Silverblade Paladin, Swinging with a 4/4 CotP with doublestrike
T4: Angelic Destiny, Cotp is now an 8/8 Doublestrike with all that other goodness (probably would give AD to SP though)

That's my shit right there. Wreck so much face on mtgo already, add SbP on T3 and its Oooooooonnnnnnn

 

[zethren]

I think the argument against Killing Wave is that it also affects your creatures, but who cares?

Day of Judgment isn't as good as you think because it kills your own creatures.

 

[Haly]

Angel of Jubilation has no effect on a card like Killing Wave, right? Or does it?

No effect, since the sacrifice is part of the spell resolution rather than a cost.

I think the argument against Killing Wave is that it also affects your creatures, but who cares?

Day of Judgment isn't as good as you think because it kills your own creatures.

That's not the argument at all. The argument is giving your opponent the chance to control the outcome of a spell you play. It's not like Fact or Fiction where you can basically mindfuck your opponent with your piles, because with Killing Wave, they'll always sacrifice the bare minimum amount of creatures to keep control of the board. If they sacrifice everything then, in all likelihood, you just played a very expensive Wrath.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

I think the argument against Killing Wave is that it also affects your creatures, but who cares?

Day of Judgment isn't as good as you think because it kills your own creatures.

No, it's not as good because your opponent can choose which creatures live and die using his life total as a resource to do so.

I just don't see why anyone would run it over Black Sun's Zenith.

 

[echoshifting]

'swhat I thought, thanks Haly

 

[siddx]

No, it's not as good because your opponent can choose which creatures live and die using his life total as a resource to do so.

Which is why you don't just play it as a WOG, you use some intelligence before you throw it out there.

I think thats why I like it, it requires a little planning and forethought to use effectively compared to a simple WOG or BSZ (a card I love but is played way too stupidly sometimes). I'm all for cards that aren't easy to play but can be rewarding in the right hands.

 

[zethren]

No, it's not as good because your opponent can choose which creatures live and die using his life total as a resource to do so.

I just don't see why anyone would run it over Black Sun's Zenith.

Sure, but your opponent can only use so much life as that resource. I think it's going to depend on how much you pay for X, and what their life is at the time of you casting it.

I can see it being used once BSZ rotates, anyway.

 

[echoshifting]

I'm going to have to see Killing Wave on the table before I decide if I like it or not, honestly, though all signs point to yes. There are good points for and against its efficacy here.

 

[siddx]

On a different note, I need some foil temporal mastery.