The Dark Knight Rises (Batman 3) - No Riddler
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CosmicGroinPull
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Or she could have snuck into the party, secretly ransacked the place, popped downstairs to show them to Bruce (look, I stole your stuff; btw, storm's coming, muahaha, BYE). D:
Yeah, no matter how it is setup or done I get the impression that Bruce is surprised to see her have his mothers pearls and in that moment realizes she is Catwoman.
TheJollyCorner
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really getting hyped.
Gahhh... just a damn shame about Heath. Would have loved a small scene of Batman going to Arkham to get a (more) disheveled Joker's take on Bane (ala Hannibal Lecter moment).
Not sure how long WB will wait after TDKR to reboot Bats again, but I hope they go the Arkham Asylum/City route. I love what Nolan has achieved, but next go-around I hope it's a mix of serious, but imaginative. Would love to see a villain like Killer Croc just wrecking the shit out of stuff on the big screen.
Gahhh... just a damn shame about Heath. Would have loved a small scene of Batman going to Arkham to get a (more) disheveled Joker's take on Bane (ala Hannibal Lecter moment).
Not sure how long WB will wait after TDKR to reboot Bats again, but I hope they go the Arkham Asylum/City route. I love what Nolan has achieved, but next go-around I hope it's a mix of serious, but imaginative. Would love to see a villain like Killer Croc just wrecking the shit out of stuff on the big screen.
It is worth the hype.
JzeroT1437
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Bring on the David Cronenberg Batman.
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And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
It's been way too long since I've seen it, what was the deal with that math?
I can live without seeing Bat's dong.
JzeroT1437
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/faq#.2.1.134
Also, if I remember correctly, when The Dark Knight came out on blu-ray, there was a live commentary with Nolan. A fan asked the question regarding the five dead, and Nolan said he'll answer that at a later time. So we might finally get that answered during Rises.
Liquidsnake
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Bwaahahahah.
Gahhh... just a damn shame about Heath. Would have loved a small scene of Batman going to Arkham to get a (more) disheveled Joker's take on Bane (ala Hannibal Lecter moment).
I think if he was still with us, we wouldn't be getting Bane as a villain.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Who would we be seeing, in your opinion?
I'm pretty sure we would see the Joker again as the main villain. Although it is hard to say. Would his performance have gotten all the acclaim if he hadn't died?
Wouldn't even cop to it being a script mistake? Tsk.
More than likely it won't be and Nolan just couldn't remember the answer off hand :lol
I think it's just that Gordon knew he had two crooked cops in his department and assumed that Dent killed them both.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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That makes the most sense.
Messypandas
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I remember that live blu-ray q+a. Nolan laughed it off, and said there is an answer. But he doesn't have it to hand
I doubt he would have had much of a role in a sequel. There was no where else to go narratively with the Joker... his and Batman's relationship was pretty much summed up in TDK. It just would have been redundant.
Just as long as they play Face to Face by Siouxsie and the Banshees when Bruce figures it out.
I'm sure the studio would have forced it in there. Huge franchise, extremely popular character. The monies would too much to ignore.
Everyone's said it, but Joker as a Hannibal type character with a scene in Arkham or something would have been fantastic. Like Batman going to try and understand what makes a villain tick, why Bane is doing what he does yadda yadda. Would have loved Ledger back, he was magnificent
Hero_of_the_Day
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Doubtful. I'm sure they would have liked it, but there is zero chance Nolan would have done another movie with the Joker as the main villain. And there is zero chance the studio would have pissed him off by trying to force plotlines on him. At this point I think the studio would let him do whatever the fuck he wants as long as it's more Batman.
This is the most that would have happened. But, this was the original idea for when Two Face was going to be the major villain in part three, so this whole idea was scrapped any way by the time TDK was finished. Doesn't mean they wouldn't have come back to the basic idea of course, but I think in the end Nolan would have still decided to do the time leap and we would have ended up right where we are. We'll never know sadly. It would be interesting to get an honest speculative answer out of Nolan on what he thinks they would have done had Ledger not died. But, no way that question ever gets answered.
Exactly. I will never understand why people would have wanted more Joker. His final scene where he tells Batman that they're destined to fight forever was all the fuck I needed.
Surely it will be addressed. There's no way that was an accident. If so, that's a pretty big fuck up. Between three writers, a director, and then editing the odds of nobody noting that the character doesn't die seem pretty slim. Granted, shit does slip through in movies sometimes. But I don't think that's what happened here.
It's pretty easy to imagine she
has something to do with Bane knowing Dent didn't die a hero.
Admiral Bone to Pick
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I feel like that was already covered by the interrogation scene from TDK and some of the monologues (e.g. Alfred's "some men just want to watch the world burn" speech). Also the Joker really wasn't a normal villain in that he wasn't motivated by money, order, or justice. He just enjoyed the chaos of the situation.
Nice coat.Don't. 99.9999 percent chance it's true, and it's a doozy.
Take a look at this coat instead:
What people imagine Joker being a Hanniibal type :
Batman : "Help me to get Bane !"
Joker : "you must understand that he has the same mind as you, but for evil"
Batman : "you are a genious ! thanks !"
What would be if they really did the scene :
Batman : "Help me to get Bane !"
Joker : "hehehehe Really ? What would i win with this ? Ok ... let me tell you a secret :
LA LI LU LE LOOOO
Batman (to himself while walks away): "...why did I bother ?"
From EW a few months ago:
This is why I don't think the movie will end with a faked death by Bruce or Batman. It would be weird if the entire idea behind the movie is to show that deception is not the answer, and then end the movie with deception.
I also think when Batman arrives for the huge ass riot, that the people know that Bruce is Batman.
This is why I don't think the movie will end with a faked death by Bruce or Batman. It would be weird if the entire idea behind the movie is to show that deception is not the answer, and then end the movie with deception.
I also think when Batman arrives for the huge ass riot, that the people know that Bruce is Batman.
Oh yeah I understand completely, but if they were going to bring Joker back it would have been the best possible scenario. I'm not fussed, Bane's going to be great. No need to dwell on the past regardless, but it would be nice if they acknowledged Joker even in passing.
Yeah I think Bruce gets revealed as Batman, sort of destroying the credibility of Bane's class warfare scheme. And then he dies after the final battle, using his wealth to restore Gotham and setting up some sort of lasting legacy.
Hero_of_the_Day
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The original idea was that he would fuck up Dent at the end of Dark Knight making him Two Face, who would be the main villain in three with Joker being the behind the scenes guy supposedly kind of running things from Prison or some such shit. Then they realized the need a character with a story arc since Batman and Joker didn't have one, and it all got smashed into one movie.
Maybe you already know this, but it's good to post every few pages.
My dream "happy" ending would be the world never knows he's Batman, he dies, Gordon covers it up. So Gordon is the only one who ever knows.
Messypandas
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I literally can't imagine this movie ending with bruce dying. There'd be riots in the streets, the lashback could be ferocious. It would be incredibly ballsy, but a serious downer
Lionel Mandrake
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Again the movie is called The Dark Knight Rises. Why would it be about him falling even farther?
Admiral Bone to Pick
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"Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves back up."
Given the themes and events we saw in Begins and TDK, I really don't see Rises concluding with anything but a fairly positive ending.
Given the themes and events we saw in Begins and TDK, I really don't see Rises concluding with anything but a fairly positive ending.
I don't get it, what's the fuck up?
storybook77
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Maybe if that happens we could protest and he'd add more to the ending on the blu-ray.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Gordon says that Dent killed two cops at the end of Dark Knight, when in reality he only killed one. Ramirez wins the coin toss and is only back handed with the butt of a gun by Dent.
"Die a hero". Also, in my made up happy ending, the symbol of Batman could still live on forever, as long as the world never knows him as a man. Which is why I would hope he is never revealed to the world.
Which is why I said Gordon assumed Ramirez is dead. He knows there were two cops Dent went after, and Ramirez can't check in because she's knocked out on the ground, so Gordon thinks she was killed.
Why would revealing Bruce as Batman help Bane in any way though?
Based on those pictures of Bane holding up Harvey Dents picture I am guessing he reveals that Dent killed those people and I don't get the impression Gotham hates Bruce Wayne. They just see him as so goofy celebrity. Him being revealed as Batman would probably help his image more than anything. How'd that help Bane?
Though I'd love to see it happen.
Based on those pictures of Bane holding up Harvey Dents picture I am guessing he reveals that Dent killed those people and I don't get the impression Gotham hates Bruce Wayne. They just see him as so goofy celebrity. Him being revealed as Batman would probably help his image more than anything. How'd that help Bane?
Though I'd love to see it happen.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I actually would love it if that happened. Even if not, I would love to see everyone cheer when The Batman returns to save Gotham. It's gonna be an awesome moment.
If everyone knew Bruce was Batman, it'd be a ballsy way to go, I'd wanna see it. But him as a symbol everlasting would be a nice way to tie it into the first film.
This is the most logical conclusion, do people really keep denying it?
I could see Bane kidnapping Ramirez and finding out about Dent, but how would he know that Ramirez is responsible?
Hero_of_the_Day
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Oh, gotcha. I thought you were literally asking what everyone was talking about. Should have read through your last post before responding.
But, yeah. Exactly. No way was it a mistake. Gordon obviously wrongly believes Ramirez is dead, at least at the end of TDK. How that plays out, we'll see.
I was mostly responding to this part of what you said:
And snowballed into a response to others who were suggesting it was just a mistake. I think it was obviously on purpose, and that it will have some bearing on the plot in Rises. Again, my bet being that
she plays into how Bane knows Dent killed everyone.
Wait, this is set 8 years after The Dark Knight? I never knew that!
Hero_of_the_Day
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Yeah. Nolan let that out months ago. The new news is that the plot synopsis definitely makes it sound like Bruce hasn't been Batman for that entire 8 year time. Which is kind of weird, but I guess we'll see how it goes. Makes sense based on the first teaser with Gordon in a hospital and what is being said.
EDIT: And by "new news" I mean news that is apparently months old also, but I'm just now noticing.
Wow, that's really weird. I just assumed it was set weeks/months after TDK like it was before with BB.
Messypandas
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triplestation
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I think the movie will end with a surprise villain.
While Batman and Bane are going at it and the people of gotham are hollering in fucking rags and shit, shots will be fired. Bane will be shot in the head and Batman in the mouth.
Deadshot reporting in: ''Tangos down!''
And then Gothams true hero shows up with Lucious Fox and all of Bruce's affiliates in handcuffs, looking dead at Bats as he's bleeding profusely from his mouth..
While Batman and Bane are going at it and the people of gotham are hollering in fucking rags and shit, shots will be fired. Bane will be shot in the head and Batman in the mouth.
Deadshot reporting in: ''Tangos down!''
And then Gothams true hero shows up with Lucious Fox and all of Bruce's affiliates in handcuffs, looking dead at Bats as he's bleeding profusely from his mouth..
''Didn't you get the memo?''
I don't think Bane reveals Bruce is Batman. I think Bruce reveals it himself willingly.
Bane, Selina Kyle, etc. start class warfare against the rich for not doing enough to save Gotham. Bane doesn't really believe some of this, he just wants control and to use Gotham for his own purposes. Selina does though and despises people like Bruce.
Bruce gets beat up, imprisoned, whatever. He realizes that Gotham "needs a hero with a face." When he returns to take back Gotham, he somehow reveals that he's Batman, undermining Bane's argument that the wealthy haven't been doing enough, because Bruce has been doing everything to save Gotham. Selina also begins to realize that he wasn't what he seemed and switches sides.
After Bruce reveals himself, the only logical endings are that he fakes his death and disappears (which I don't think is likely) or he actually dies, as both a symbol and a man.
Just because he "rises" at the end doesn't mean he lives. It just means that he embraces his destiny and resolves the conflict that's been dominating his life: the split between Batman and Bruce. So he doesn't die pathetically, but instead he dies at peace and recognized as a hero.
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