The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT| The Year of the...uh...Platypus?
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Edit: Keep in mind, only shitstirring. Seriously, there is genuine discussion going on in this thread if you're able to laugh about the rest of it. Just like how a few blow-ins that only rear their heads during race weekends aren't enough to scare off the regulars.
brotkasten
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Where the heck did you come from?
Red suits Webber. He should replace Massa as #2 driver at Ferrari.
But this #2 driver is beating Vettel this year.....definitely cannot say the same about Massa.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Webber thinks RBR should go the route of the new exhaust - He's hinting at a possibility of the team developing both solutions for both drivers, but also says that it would hinder the team and he doesn't think they'll do it.
Merc and Macca happy to go to Bahrain
Tomorrow's grid (from autosport) - Lewis demoted 5 spots for gear changing
Merc and Macca happy to go to Bahrain
Tomorrow's grid (from autosport) - Lewis demoted 5 spots for gear changing
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Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m35.121s
** 2. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m35.691s + 0.570
3. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m35.784s + 0.663
4. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m35.898s + 0.777
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m36.191s + 1.070
** 6. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m35.626s + 0.505
7. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m36.290s + 1.169
8. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m36.524s + 1.403
9. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m36.622s + 1.501
10. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault No time
Q2 cut-off time: 1m35.831s Gap **
11. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m36.031s + 0.331
12. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m36.255s + 0.555
13. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m36.283s + 0.583
14. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m36.289s + 0.589
15. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m36.317s + 0.617
16. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m36.745s + 1.045
17. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m36.956s + 1.256
Q1 cut-off time: 1m36.933s Gap *
18. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m37.714s + 1.516
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m38.463s + 2.265
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m38.677s + 2.479
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m39.282s + 3.084
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m39.717s + 3.519
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m40.411s + 4.213
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m41.000s + 4.802
107% time: 1m42.931s
* Gap to quickest in Q1
** Gap to quickest in Q2On a slight tangent, has Mugello ever been used for F1? I assume that given it's in Italy, it'd be continually passed over for Monza and, up to a few years ago, Imola. Looks like it'd be a handy track.
Edit: It's a shame there's not more of a mix of teams down the second half of the grid. Too many teams doubled-up, kinda hoping they'd be a lot closer to each other TBH. Top 10 is fucking awesome, but beyond that, it's like they've buddied up. I almost wonder what would happen if the obvious backmarker teams got some kind of assistance by way of (just spitballing here) more leniency with aero or even access to cars in parc ferme where others are locked off? Even for just the lower three teams to allow them to tweak a little more. I doubt the major teams would have an issue with it, and if those lower ones could wring a little extra performance out of their cars with what's essentially an FP4 by way of Q1, it would make things far more interesting down that lower order.
Re: that article about Webber and RBR likely going forward with the new exhaust:
I may have misunderstood, but I'm pretty sure that on Sky, they said RBR coudl've changed cars right up until Saturday morning before FP3. If that was the case, I wonder why Vettel chose to stick with it. Maybe he thought there was something extra he could've gotten by the end of Q1?
Only for testing, it is owned by Ferrari. There will be another F1 test there in a few weeks before the European season starts.
mclaren777
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Does anyone know of a good site to compare Q2 times against Q3?
I want to see how the Top 10 did in both sessions.
I want to see how the Top 10 did in both sessions.
Psychotext
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I think Vettel should just spend a bunch of time getting used to the newer design. It's not like his race pace has been slow so he obviously gets on with it in general.
Myoclonic Jerk
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http://www.manipef1.com/ - http://www.manipef1.com/results/2012/china/qualifying/
Here's the grid from Manipe
mclaren777
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Thanks, Andy!
And it concerns me that Robert seemingly puts intentional effort into keeping his hand from being photographed.
And it concerns me that Robert seemingly puts intentional effort into keeping his hand from being photographed.
Good track for testing and motorbike races, but it is not on par with modern F1 race standards - too narrow, run out zones are too small and mostly sandy and whole infrastructure needs some refreshing.
Bizarre that Webber would be wearing a top for it, then. On that note though, I'd love to see a similarly mocked-up jumper for the Top Gear test track. Sleek logos and a map of the track would be kinda nice.
Yup, check my edit. My guess is that he perhaps felt he had something to prove by using the old car? Like you say, it would've been better for him to cut his losses and just get used to the new car rather than stick with the old one. Even if the new one had performed worse, it's doubtful they would've gone back to the old design, just tweaked the new one even further.
mclaren777
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I know the track temp dropped 2-3 degrees, but why were some people so much slower in Q3?
The change can't be solely blamed on weather conditions.
The change can't be solely blamed on weather conditions.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Webber was the genie pig here. All of you Webber fans are happy that it went in his favor, but that changes nothing at Redbull.
Now it's Webber's chance to tweak the new car to his liking even more as he will have a full weakened advantage over Vettel
It's also his chance to shine and scratch off the "number-two driver" label..
Go Chinman!
Myoclonic Jerk
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I know the track temp dropped 2-3 degrees, but why were some people so much slower in Q3?
The change can't be solely blamed on weather conditions.
Actually it is. That's why Kimi and NR(?) rushed into the track as soon as the lights went green in Q3
Almost all the drivers had a better first go at Q3 than their last (please correct me if I'm wrong)
2-3 degrees on not very warm track can mean a lot, and this happened. Overcast with cold wind appeared.
Q2 had a lot more cars driving on the racing line for the entire session, after the 5 minute break going into Q3 the temperature would have remained fairly the same, give or take, then with only 4 cars insulating the driving line for 2-3 laps each then waiting another five minutes with no effectively no traffic the temperature drop would have been tangible.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/chn-qualifying-times.pdf
All the lap data is here. At a glance it looks as though you are correct - everyone who went out for a second lap abandoned it and pitted.
Only Hamilton, Schumacher and Raikkonen went back out for another lap as well, Nico did 1 early lap and stayed in and all the others did 1 lap towards the end of Q3.
WorriedCitizen
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It's funny that you bring up my lack of contributions as an argument against me. I used to be much more active in the gaf F1 threads but it's because of how much the quality went downhill thanks to posters like you that i don't feel like spending my time here anymore. You are one who really sticks out like a sore thumb to me. Every second post of you is either Vettel bashing or posting Webber pics which frankly is just obnoxious as fuck no matter how funny and clever you think it is.
And I thought I was a dick.
Psychotext
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Oh don't worry, you still are.
\o/
Joking aside, the endless Kimi and Webber pics have got a little old at this point. Feels like a meme that got pushed too far.
Like eventually all memes, it has lost its momentum.
I could be wrong, but I'm sure Hamilton was going at the same speed as Perez until the closing stages of the race. The gap between Perez and Hamilton mostly stayed the same whilst they both closed down Alonso, and then towards the last 15 laps or so it looked as if Hamilton backed off or his tyres didn't last as long or something caused him to fall back by X amount of seconds.
Something I'm sure I remember seeing, but as I said, I could be wrong.
Oh don't worry, you still are.
\o/
<3
Myoclonic Jerk
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Oh don't worry, you still are.
\o/
Joking aside, the endless Kimi and Webber pics have got a little old at this point. Feels like a meme that got pushed too far.
but there's a big difference. Kimi's are always awesome
Thanks for the link Andy.. I really enjoy analysing quali, mor than the race lol
Not that I put much belief into the conspiracies and all that mumbo but arguably a few of those procedures to make Jenson feel at home also hurt Lewis in ways. For instance changing race engineers. When you compare his relationship with Lantham against a lot of the others in the big teams they seem detached (not that they need to be wispering sweet nothings but still). Phil always seemed to relay important info, Lantham on the other hand seems indecisive and at times plain clueless. Even in the last race he failed to tell Lewis when Ricciardo was setting purple sectors when he changed to slicks. On the other side of the garage Jenson doesn't really have that problem typically. Plus this whole 'driver who is ahead gets pitstop preference' thing I doubt is so sturdy since Jenson seems to break that 'rule' a fair bit. My guess is that it's probably more unwritten and a 'moral understanding' than anything else.
I imagine with the pits that they'll ask if Hamilton wants to pit, he says no, so they ask Button instead. But we can only guess, I specifically remember at Hungary last year when Neal was talking about it, and I'm sure Whitmarsh has spoken about it numerous times.
I agree totally with you about the race engineers though.
Well, despite the fact that my post history in this thread around race weekends is less about Webber love and more about actual discussion, I guess my contributions aren't at all appreciated in this thread. Clearly I need a break from here, will maybe see you guys this arvo for the race.
Shaneus, don't be full of yourself and take the criticism instead or disarm it. Either it resonates with you, or it doesn't. One person criticizing you can't be enough to make you say "I need a break". Let's all just calm down. This thread is more meta about how bad or good the thread is because of all fanboyism than it is F1 discussion. At this point it would be more constructive to drop all meta discussion and instead live and let live.
And think about it. Lucius has no idea who he is, I have no idea who he is
, you don't know either. Who gives a shit if he's done it because he's a connoisseur of F1 threads, and this thread's quality is too low for him. He's not a part of this thread, but you want to leave because this one guy says something? It's almost like you want us to beg you to stay or something.
And think about it. Lucius has no idea who he is, I have no idea who he is
Lucius Septimius Serverus anyone?
frontieruk
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Hmmm there's been enough calling out on gaf recently so I won't post what I was going to. So here's a redacted version enjoy.
here's some fun figures from previous threads.
here's some fun figures from previous threads.
Myoclonic Jerk
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...New sponsor??? Sweeeeeeeeeet. Good to see a good team with talent pick up a sponsor, always made me sad seeing all that white space on their car.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Ross believes that Michael Schumacher's resurgence is 'great for Formula 1
Myoclonic Jerk agrees
On the possibility of resigning
Myoclonic Jerk agrees
On the possibility of resigning
frontieruk
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Counting avatars / reposts?
Also
Looks like Vergne is missing the first corner action
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