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Was that ever actually said? I don't remember hearing that using the stone "killed" the stored souls.

I don't know if he ever said those exact words, but the topic came up enough and the way he approached it made it clear that's how he feels. He talked about it when he beat the samurai dude. The samurai insisted that he shouldn't be considered a living being because he's just a soul trapped to armor. Ed told him to fuck off with that attitude, because if he agreed to that, then Al was the same. Philosopher stones are nothing but souls trapped in a rock for alchemic use. Then, when he was trapped with Envy, he used some of his souls to get out of the place he was trapped, and Envy had to convince him to do it by saying that the souls inside him no longer human. He did it, but it's obvious he wasn't convinced. Another incident is in Brotherhood, where this one character convinces Al to use the stone to save their lives by convincing him that the souls inside the stone wish to fight back as well. Plus Hohenhiem is a walking philosophers stone, and he interacted with every one of the souls inside him, so they are right. They don't have bodies, but their souls are incased in there. If they are used in alchemy, they are truly gone then.

Yes, it's definitely a matter of principles for those two. There are situations where they'll use the P stones if they absolutely (and I stress absolutely) have to, but they consider using a soul to be the equivelent of murder.

Edit: Oh, I misread it. Well, I only vaguely remember how it was in the original anime, but yes, in the manga and in brotherhood, P stones were souls of people trapped in a red rock. You use a P stone, this is the equivelent of throwing someone behind the Gate of Truth, which is ambiguous whether that is the same kind of death that people who die normally have. I don't think so, because in brotherhood, it seems that it's fully impossible to bring someone back from the dead. Possible to create life perhaps, but not bring anyone back.
 
Thats what I got from the last page yeah.

Maybe some people do, but I hold all shows I watch to the same standard. Be it Game of Thrones or Futurama or Avatar or Full Metal Alchemist.

Avatar impressed me far more than nearly every Anime I've watched.

But you have to remember that Futurama is my favorite show, so put my opinion in context.
 
I hold it to roughly the same standards in terms of entertainment value, but thematic exploration etc is obviously affected by context.
 
What's up with all the "complexity of Avatar" talk?

TLA is a simple adventure cartoon with cool action and great humor, there's nothing complex about it. It has a clear beginning and ending and every character has clear motivations. That's why I love it.

The important thing is that the show doesn't treat children as stupid. Characters don't always have to be categorized as good or evil and violence doesn't always solve everything. That doesn't make a show "complex" but it makes it a lot better.

Avatar is among my favorite TV shows of all time and its simplicity is one of its major strenghts. It doesn't try to be something it isn't.
 
What's up with all the "complexity of Avatar" talk.

TLA is a simple adventure cartoon with cool action and great humor, there's nothing complex about it. It has a clear beginning and ending and every character has clear motivations. That's why I love it.

Yep, I would agree completely. Complexity does not equal interest.

In fact, I would hope that they make Korra along the same lines. Usually the more complex a piece of television, the harder to penetrate it is and the higher the chance the story blows up spectacularly at the end.
 
So if Avatar is not complex, then the essays/analysis people write about it...is that more from the show or from them...?

Complexity is not needed for study. There are deeper meanings and significances to the events in Avatar, but that does not mean it is complex in it's story or how it's presented. It allows for far more intellectual rumination because it's complexity does not obfuscate meanings and consequences of characters and actions.
 
For me atleast its not the overall show that's complex, though I don't know it I'd call it simple. For me, zuko and azula are the characters who are fairly complex in their characterization. I would definitely are they can't be simply defined.
 
Thats what I got from the last page yeah.

I don't hold it to a different standard based on where it was produced, no. My expectations were certainly lower the first time through, given my typical experience with American animation and attempts at serial narrative, but it more than exceeded those low expectations early on.

Complexity is not needed for study. There are deeper meanings and significances to the events in Avatar, but that does not mean it is complex in it's story or how it's presented. It allows for far more intellectual rumination because it's complexity does not obfuscate meanings and consequences of characters and actions.

I think that's precisely what people have been meaning in this conversation when they say that the show has complexity. They don't mean that it is complex in terms of the plot or whatever; they mean that "there are deeper meanings and significances to the events." I suppose "depth" might be a better word for it, though.

And since with all the talk of essays, I don't think I've seen them linked, here they are. They gave me some new appreciation for the series and did change my view on the depth the series had - which while I did think it had a great plot and solid (though, yes, straightforward) characterization), I had thought of it as a "children's show" primarily and hadn't examined the characters too terribly closely. I think that's an instance in which expectations about what I should expect from a show based on its target audience affected what I was able to see.
 
Finally watched the first two episodes and I honestly could not stop smiling :)

It is so essentially Avatar in feel but the new characters are interesting and funny so far. I'm already in love and can't wait for more.
 
What's up with all the "complexity of Avatar" talk?

TLA is a simple adventure cartoon with cool action and great humor, there's nothing complex about it. It has a clear beginning and ending and every character has clear motivations. That's why I love it.

The important thing is that the show doesn't treat children as stupid. Characters don't always have to be categorized as good or evil and violence doesn't always solve everything. That doesn't make a show "complex" but it makes it a lot better.

Avatar is among my favorite TV shows of all time and its simplicity is one of its major strenghts. It doesn't try to be something it isn't.

I think you’re right to a certain extent. To me, a good show is like a simple dish, something that seems easy to make but in reality is the most difficult thing in the world to get right. There’s no room to hide in a simple story or a simple dish, no margin for error. You need to start with quality ingredients. You need proper knowledge and execution. You can’t garnish it with frills and gimmicks components. You have to let it stand on its own.

If you do it wrong, people will look at the story/dish, and they will see straight through it, and they will put it aside, and they will go away. But if you do it right, the story/dish can become something timeless and enduring, a classic.

I think Avatar is like akin to a simple dish done right, which is something of a rarity nowadays.

That being said, I think a suitable description for Avatar is that it’s polysemic: It has multiple meanings to different people. It has a mythic quality to it that makes universally appealing; it never plays down to cater to a specific demographic. It has a balance of witty and slapstick humour. It is a respectful fusion of Western and Eastern styles and ideas. Kids can like the magic kung-fu; adults can enjoy the character archetypes and the realistic portrayal of people in interesting situations. You can look as superficial or as deep as you like, and you will find something to like. This is also not a Draco in Leather Pants scenario because these are themes and ideas the creators wanted to deliberately put in the story.

Thanks to Mumei for posting those sets of analyses on RT; I was an active participant in those discussions and they are actually a really enjoyable read.
 
And since with all the talk of essays, I don't think I've seen them linked, here they are. They gave me some new appreciation for the series and did change my view on the depth the series had - which while I did think it had a great plot and solid (though, yes, straightforward) characterization), I had thought of it as a "children's show" primarily and hadn't examined the characters too terribly closely. I think that's an instance in which expectations about what I should expect from a show based on its target audience affected what I was able to see.


I just checked out this link and its pretty fucking great right now and that's just reading the profile info for the characters only.

There was even a really interesting part that talks about
Iroh and his son, their relationship , what might have happened that lead to his death (possible suicide?) , how Iroh tries to deal with it and how he tries to help Zuko find his way. I never really thought of it that way before
 
I just checked out this link and its pretty fucking great right now and that's just reading the profile info for the characters only.

There was even a really interesting part that talks about
Iroh and his son, their relationship , what might have happened that lead to his death (possible suicide?) , how Iroh tries to deal with it and how he tries to help Zuko find his way. I never really though of it that way before

Yes! That speculation was one of my favorite parts.

I read those before I rewatched it last month after getting the DVDs and it did influence how I viewed events. And I think that the character profiles are actually the best part, myself.
 
Btw the original FMA anime was blehhh. FMA Brotherhood is much better. I wouldn't say Avatar is quite up there with it, but it is really good for a children's show.

I actually enjoy the original FMA quite a bit even after seeing Brotherhood. I'd rather them pretty close and for different reasons. Brotherhood is probably a better show to let kids watch though, the original is far too harsh and brutal comparatively.
 
I actually enjoy the original FMA quite a bit even after seeing Brotherhood. I'd rather them pretty close and for different reasons. Brotherhood is probably a better show to let kids watch though, the original is far too harsh and brutal comparatively.

I might check out Brotherhood at some point, but the original FMA soured me on the whole thing for about the last 15 episodes. *sour face*

Wooo, Korra Day tomorrow!

Let's get this party started, etc.

*Partyhat*
 
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Yes! That speculation was one of my favorite parts.

I read those before I rewatched it last month after getting the DVDs and it did influence how I viewed events. And I think that the character profiles are actually the best part, myself.

I also like
the few sentences that explains the Katara and Aang relationship and why it just works

I actually enjoy the original FMA quite a bit even after seeing Brotherhood. I'd rather them pretty close and for different reasons. Brotherhood is probably a better show to let kids watch though, the original is far too harsh and brutal comparatively.

Yea that scene with the fate of Nina was pretty fucking disturbing in the original compared to Brotherhood imo and i seriously wanted that douchebag to die a horrible death for what he did.



I might check out Brotherhood at some point, but the original FMA soured me on the whole thing for about the last 15 episodes. *sour face*

to be fair those last 15 "don't exist" per say since the manga was nowhere near completion and so the anime staff had to go with an original path.

So in the sake of completeness watch Brotherhood since it finishes the story how the author intended.

I'll bring the cactus juice.

Popcorn for everyone.

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Indeed
 
Are further episodes (after the first two) also going to be posted on the nickelodeon site? I'm in Canada, and it seems to be the only way to watch it at the moment. Nothing in our iTunes store yet, and I don't think that amazon.ca even sells tv downloads.
 
What's up with all the "complexity of Avatar" talk?

TLA is a simple adventure cartoon with cool action and great humor, there's nothing complex about it. It has a clear beginning and ending and every character has clear motivations. That's why I love it.

The important thing is that the show doesn't treat children as stupid. Characters don't always have to be categorized as good or evil and violence doesn't always solve everything. That doesn't make a show "complex" but it makes it a lot better.

Avatar is among my favorite TV shows of all time and its simplicity is one of its major strenghts. It doesn't try to be something it isn't.

This guy gets it.
 
The "Welcome to Republic City site has been updayed with more locations

SPOILERS

Can't wait for the Ember Island player episode of him in a bikini.

I thought we agreed to spoiler tag stuff not aired?

Yea those should be tagged since they are pretty huge and some might get pissed when they see them like that.


as for them though:
Another one survives :O. Katara, Brian, Michael you liars :p

Plus it would be interesting if they reveal Toph's fate and Lin's father in the next update LOL
 
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