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It is unusual. What of it? Just because something doesn't happen often. For my part, I'm trying to reserve judgement until we get more on Bolin's character, because it could still go either way. All we can say for sure right now is that he exhibits the mindset of a child. He seems aware of what he's doing is wrong, but only because he heard it was wrong from his brother, not of his own choice.
Not really. He has one scene that's a little silly and suddenly we're calling him a child? Come on. Where's the reserved judgement?

He indicated that knows that Mako told him it's wrong. That's all.
Come on, you're assuming Bolin is stupid on a quite astonishing level. My brother told me it's wrong and....that's it? Bolin doesn't have the mental facilities to go any further than that?

Actually, I rewatched the scene. The guy tells him specifically that this wasn't anything illegal. it might not have been. Assuming he believes him,
Stop. You realize this blatantly implies that Bolin was hesitant because he assumed the work was illegal which also assumes he is on some level aware of what the gangs are up to right?

What this behavior is is RISKY and DANGEROUS but it's not wrong, especially if what the guy says happens to be true. Also, no, you don't become a gang member by doing a single job for them.
Well, I disagree. I think doing work for known gang members is wrong. And you do become a gang member in the eyes of everyone who isn't a gang member the second you start doing work for them.

It's a bad idea, no one is arguing that, but it isn't a crime of any sort, it's not even a wrong doing. It's just dangerous and risky. Definitely a bad idea. But it's not inherently wrong.
I think it's pretty much inherently wrong if you know the people you're working for are all criminals and are, however small a task, helping them even if the work itself isn't illegal. It's supporting a gang nonetheless.
 
Considering right and wrong is a relative property which varies from person to person and culture to culture from a moral standpoint, it's adding nothing of value to say that. I could just as easily say it's not inherently right, therefore he deserved to have his bending taken away.

So long as we're operating on the innocent until proven guilty system of belief, it's not inherently wrong.
 
You might be right. When I was listening to it, I listened to it thinking of myself as a member in the crowd, and I could see how over some time of disseminating his views, he could have gotten that many people to show up to that meeting. Afterwards, though, I was thinking about it more critically and the speech sort of resonated with me less. I think maybe you just have to listen to it with a sympathetic mindset to what he's saying; I don't think what he's saying would convert someone who is skeptical.

Though I think that what most people (or maybe just me and I'm projecting) really enjoyed his introduction was the fights, where he really seemed to make the big impression.

I think a couple of shots of real people in the crowd agreeing/sympathizing/encouraging Amon after his story would have made a more effective reveal. It would have clearly showcased that Amon not only secured his audience's minds (with his display of spiritbending and fighting prowess), but their hearts as well. Obviously they already agree with him since they're there, but as just a storytelling technique it would have been nice.

I really don't mean to be overly harsh. It's just that I finished the episode with my wife and we both looked at each other and said "that was surprisingly not great." Maybe I'm just missing Tenzin and the kids. *shrug*
 
It is unusual. What of it? Just because something doesn't happen often doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all. For my part, I'm trying to reserve judgement until we get more on Bolin's character, because it could still go either way. All we can say for sure right now is that he exhibits the mindset of a child. He seems aware of what he's doing is wrong, but only because he heard it was wrong from his brother, not of his own choice.

... He doesn't come across as a simpleton. Are you just exaggerating to make a point?
 
So long as we're operating on the innocent until proven guilty system of belief, it's not inherently wrong.

That's a large assumption to make about an industrial-era fantasy city with element-bending kung fu fighters which draws inspiration from many different cultures. Of course it is understandable for one to assume laws they're familiar with in discussions such as these.

Anyways, I'm more interested in why you think the Equalists are not staying true to their stated purpose.
 
I think a couple of shots of real people in the crowd agreeing/sympathizing/encouraging Amon after his story would have made a more effective reveal. It would have clearly showcased that Amon not only secured his audience's minds (with his display of spiritbending and fighting prowess), but their hearts as well. Obviously they already agree with him since they're there, but as just a storytelling technique it would have been nice.

I really don't mean to be overly harsh. It's just that I finished the episode with my wife and we both looked at each other and said "that was surprisingly not great." Maybe I'm just missing Tenzin and the kids. *shrug*

Oh, maybe. I tend not to notice things like that (lack of shots of individuals in the crowd during the speech, for instance). I thought they used the fights and the audience's jeering and cheering to make it pretty clear the effect he was having on individuals in the crowd. It still might have be nice seeing more of that.
 
I think maybe you just have to listen to it with a sympathetic mindset to what he's saying; I don't think what he's saying would convert someone who is skeptical.

It's not meant to; the rally's for supporters, and the capstone is supposed to be magic spirit mutilation action.

That said, what a terrible plan to put the map on the back of four random posters. Their secret organisation needs work. This isn't a trading card game, Amon!
 
That said, what a terrible plan to put the map on the back of four random posters. Their secret organisation needs work. This isn't a trading card game, Amon!
I guessed that the reason for that is so you had to be the type of person who would share his feelings about bender resentment with others or know other people who resented benders so you would each independently got a piece of the puzzle and then put it together later which I would think make you the type of person more likely to follow through with a plan this morally questionable.

That being said I find it hard to believe anyone had trouble with the puzzle, the second I saw the back of it I thought to myself, "that's a map". STEP YOUR GAME UP AMON, YOU WANT THOSE CASUALS INFILTRATING YOUR ORGANIZATION?
I hated benders before it was cool.
 
oh my god, what if Korra loses her bending, the world is plunged into chaos, and she has to go on a crazy spirit journey with Aang to get it back. New episodes should be played every day. :(
 
It's not meant to; the rally's for supporters, and the capstone is supposed to be magic spirit mutilation action.


I really do think it was to show what he can do hence proving he's not just some dude talking about an ideal but seemingly has a method to achieve it.

That said, what a terrible plan to put the map on the back of four random posters. Their secret organisation needs work. This isn't a trading card game, Amon!

I'm surprised Mako and Korra were lucky enough to have all four given they just randomly picked up some. :p

Luck of the MC i guess.
 
Not really. He has one scene that's a little silly and suddenly we're calling him a child? Come on. Where's the reserved judgement?

I'm not calling him anything. I'm saying he exhibited the behaviors of a child and I'm waiting for other scenes to see if this is consistent behavior. I wouldn't blame a person for assuming it though. We only have one meaningful scene of how he comports himself in terms of morality, and this is it. If he continues this behavior, then I'll call him a child. Right now, he's just had one scene indicative of it. If it's not his usual behavior, I'd then like an explanation for it.


Come on, you're assuming Bolin is stupid on a quite astonishing level. My brother told me it's wrong and....that's it? Bolin doesn't have the mental facilities to go any further than that?

Not stupid exactly. Just ignorance mixed with innocence. That could be stupidity to some people, I guess.

But consider your position for a moment. I explained in detail how Bolin was acting in a manner like a child. And this is the only serious scene that we have examining his moral character. Yet you continue to insist that Bolin should know better, therefore he must. Even though he just demonstrated that he doesn't seem to. Your not operating on any evidence, and your actively disregarding what seems to me to be suggestions to the contrary and just blindly assuming your position for no real reason. If you seriously believe that Bolin DOES know better rather than simply that he SHOULD know better, then get back to me on this.


Stop. You realize this blatantly implies that Bolin was hesitant because he assumed the work was illegal which also assumes he is on some level aware of what the gangs are up to right?

Illegal doesn't mean the same thing to a child the way it does to me and you. He knows they are doing something they shouldn't, but I don't think he realizes the full implications of this. Or, if he does, he's then told that it isn't illegal so, assuming he believes this guy, whether or not he knows that they do illegal activities is irrelevant because what HE'S helping with is not illegal.

Well, I disagree. I think doing work for known gang members is wrong. And you do become a gang member in the eyes of everyone who isn't a gang member the second you start doing work for them.

I think it's pretty much inherently wrong if you know the people you're working for are all criminals and are, however small a task, helping them even if the work itself isn't illegal. It's supporting a gang nonetheless.

I agree, many people would assume that he is a gang member. But they would be making a mistake to condemn him to it without making sure.

Now, explain to me what is morally wrong about, say, being a waiter at a resturant and bring a known criminal the food he ordered. Or letting them pay for gas in your station. Or any number of casual jobs you do for normal people. Because, if the activity was legal, then what bolin was doing is the same as any of them.
 
oh my god, what if Korra loses her bending, the world is plunged into chaos, and she has to go on a crazy spirit journey with Aang to get it back. New episodes should be played every day. :(
What if Amon is the real avatar and is really bringing to world closer to balance while Korra is just some weird mutant who happens to be able to do multiple arts of bending? Amon says he can talk to the spirit world, has Korra talked to the spirit world yet? Sketchy sketchy...
 
... He doesn't come across as a simpleton. Are you just exaggerating to make a point?

I'm not saying he's stupid exactly, but his understanding of the world around him seems to be like a child. I explained it in detail here.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37174222&postcount=4625

The way he acts indicates that doesn't seem to have his own moral values, just deferring the question to Mako, who he sees as an infallible authority figure. This is similar to me how a child views a parent. It's really odd, but Mako did make a point in showing how protective he was of his brother. Perhaps so much so that he refused to let him grow up to an extent. If so, the consequences of this were shown tonight.
 
But consider your position for a moment. I explained in detail how Bolin was acting in a manner like a child. And this is the only serious scene that we have examining his moral character. Yet you continue to insist that Bolin should know better, therefore he must. Even though he just demonstrated that he doesn't seem to. Your not operating on any evidence, and your actively disregarding what seems to me to be suggestions to the contrary. If you seriously believe that Bolin DOES know better rather than simply that he SHOULD know better, then get back to me on this.
It's simple logic in that everyone else in the world knows about the gangs and their positions and that we currently only have one scene to suggest he's like "a child". Like I said earlier, you have to do more mental gymnastics to assume he doesn't know about the gangs than does, hence you have to give me an entire paragraph painfully trying to deconstruct 10 seconds of dialogue while my position basically comes from natural assumptions that make perfect sense. Before this episode would you have considered that Bolin had the mentality of a child? I doubt it. Even with this episode you've got one scene that requires a lot of slack to full agree with.

Illegal doesn't mean the same thing to a child the way it does to me and you. He knows they are doing something they shouldn't, but I don't think he realizes the full implications of this. Or, if he does, he's then told that it isn't illegal so, assuming he believes this guy, whether or not he knows that they do illegal activities is irrelevant because what HE'S helping with is not illegal.
Oh come on. You think you're not calling him anything? You're basically treating him like a toddler, one step above being potty trained. I'm tired of this argument. If you can't see the basic implication of the guy having to reassure Bolin that what he's about to get into isn't anything illegal is a sign that Bolin is well aware of this guys sketchy history (he called him Shady Shin for crying out loud) then there's no point in arguing this anymore. I'm watching the scene right now too, Bolin specifically mentions "The Triple Threats". Shady Shin didn't use that term, he referred to Lightning Bolt Zolt. Bolin knows who Zolt is. He knows he's involved in some way with "The Triple Threats", a term that literally has "Threats" in the title. Bolin knows what the gangs do. He knows why he shouldn't do it. He does it anyway. He is not as stupid as you take him for.

Now, explain to me what is morally wrong about, say, being a waiter at a resturant and bring a known criminal the food he ordered. Or letting them pay for gas in your station. Or any number of casual jobs you do for normal people. Because, if the activity was legal, then what bolin was doing is the same as any of them.
That those are jobs where you have little choice in the matter and that for the vast majority of the time (at least they should be) are disconnected from the criminal underworld. The difference between getting a job as a waiter that sometimes treats criminals and actively joining up with a gang to help them out should be obvious.
 
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It's simple logic in that everyone else in the world knows about the gangs and their positions and that we currently only have one scene to suggest he's like "a child". Like I said earlier, you have to do more mental gymnastics to assume he doesn't know about the gangs than does, hence you have to give me an entire paragraph painfully trying to deconstruct 10 seconds of dialogue while my position basically comes from natural assumptions that make perfect sense. Before this episode would you have considered that Bolin had the mentality of a child? I doubt it. Even with this episode you've got one scene that requires a lot of slack to full agree with.

Why do I have to tell you things ten times before you understand what I'm saying? I'm not calling him ANYTHING because I want to reserve judgement for later. However, his actions in that scene were indicative of how a child acts, specifically in dealing with the harsher ways of the world. In terms of girls and sports, he seems far more like a normal teenager. It's just his morality and knowledge in the ways of the world that seem lacking. Assuming this is consistent behavior for him, other things make sense as well. There is reason for him to be this way (Mako's over protection). It makes sense. Why didn't I think of him as a child in terms of morality before this episode? Because this is the first situation that dealt with his morality in the show. How were you expecting me to know his moral character before he had a chance to demonstrate it?

Your arguing from the position that is more common, but has NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER SUPPORTING IT and indications otherwise. I'm not saying the writing is all over the wall, because it isn't, but there are two words that are by themselves not enough to confirm my suspicions, but still indicate to what I am talking about. You, however, have NOTHING. Nothing whatsoever to substantiate your claims. Yet you still stubbornly cling to your position because....because.


Oh come on. You think you're not calling him anything? You're basically treating him like a toddler, one step above being potty trained. I'm tired of this argument. If you can't see the basic implication of the guy having to reassure Bolin that what he's about to get into isn't anything illegal is a sign that Bolin is well aware of this guys sketchy history (he called him Shady Shin for crying out loud) then there's no point in arguing this anymore. I'm watching the scene right now too, Bolin specifically mentions "The Triple Threats". Shady Shin didn't use that term, he referred to Lightning Bolt Zolt. Bolin knows who Zolt is. He knows he's involved in some way with "The Triple Threats", a term that literally has "Threats" in the title. Bolin knows what the gangs do. He knows why he shouldn't do it. He does it anyway. He is not as stupid as you take him for.

He knows their names. This means nothing. I know the Aztecs have a god named Quetzalcoatl, but I can't tell you anything about it other than that it's a giant snake because I just heard the name thrown around sometimes and I never took my time to properly investigate the rest of the mythology. So how can Bolin know the names but not know what they do? Just like that.

That those are jobs where you have little choice in the matter and that for the vast majority of the time (at least they should be) are disconnected from the criminal underworld. The difference between getting a job as a waiter that sometimes treats criminals and actively joining up with a gang to help them out should be obvious.
You have plenty of choice. You can refuse service, if you own the place. Or, if you don't, you can quit rather than serve him. According to you, it's the only morally right thing to do. Whats that? You need the money and it's not illegal activity anyway? Well, doesn't that sound familiar. Bodygaurding runs a higher risk, but that's the only thing separating these jobs. And the risk is not even that much higher. Some thug says the wrong word in your presence as a waiter, and suddenly your a liability. It's fine to consider staying away from these people to be safe, that's sensible, but morally wrong to not do so? That's ridiculous.


I'm going to sleep. If you have a better argument than "Dude...come on. He can't be like that because....because he can't be" or an answer to how working for criminals is inherently wrong that does not require running from your job every time one shows up for some kind of service, then we'll get back to this.
 
I'm not saying he's stupid exactly, but his understanding of the world around him seems to be like a child. I explained it in detail here.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37174222&postcount=4625

The way he acts indicates that doesn't seem to have his own moral values, just deferring the question to Mako, who he sees as an infallible authority figure. This is similar to me how a child views a parent. It's really odd, but Mako did make a point in showing how protective he was of his brother. Perhaps so much so that he refused to let him grow up to an extent. If so, the consequences of this were shown tonight.

... Yeah, I'm not really buying your arguments - except that I agree that he wasn't necessarily guilty of something. I think that all those scenes showed was that he doesn't have the best decision-making. And he's, what, 16-ish? It's to be expected.

Have fun with Ezduo!
 
AnimeGAF is so used to looking at CGI backgrounds that it has become a running gag. I don't think most people in here actually care.

I for one will be happy with the scene composition as long as we don't find any shape-shifting toilets from outer space.

I fucking hate you for bringing that up, when I saw the show, all I could see was the CGI backgrounds.
 
... Yeah, I'm not really buying your arguments - except that I agree that he wasn't necessarily guilty of something. I think that all those scenes showed was that he doesn't have the best decision-making. And he's, what, 16-ish? It's to be expected.

Have fun with Ezduo!

I'm not really fully convinced myself, I was just writing down the impressions I got off of that encounter. It might be something else. Bolin really didn't act like someone who knew what he was doing though. Like I said, reserving judgement for later. Bolin could also be phenomonally stupid. I mean, just look at this thread. People like that exist.

Anyway, I'm done for tonight. I'm tired of repeating myself 10 times over because he can't work out what I'm plainly saying.
 
I wish Amon sounded less 'evil', his beef with bending is legit and I'm not sure if non-benders make up the majority of the population. I would rather his intentions are real and good but power corrupted him somewhat.

With all this fire benders being criminals and killing parents, you have to wonder what Zuko was doing as the Firelord and who the fire lord is right now. A gradual glimpse into the making of Republic City would be cool. Or they can mention how the triads were leftovers for another revolutionary group during the war, growing out of the White Lotus as they did in actual history.
 
Why do I have to tell you things ten times before you understand what I'm saying? I'm not calling him ANYTHING because I want to reserve judgement for later. However, his actions in that scene were indicative of how a child acts, specifically in dealing with the harsher ways of the world. In terms of girls and sports, he seems far more like a normal teenager. Assuming this is consistent behavior for him, other things make sense as well. There is reason for him to be this way (Mako's over protection). It makes sense. Why didn't I think of him as a child in terms of morality before this episode? Because this is the first situation that dealt with his morality in the show. How were you expecting me to know his moral character before he had a chance to demonstrate it?

Your arguing from the position that is more common, but has NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER SUPPORTING IT and indications otherwise. I'm not saying the writing is on the wall, because it isn't, but there are two words that are by themselves not enough to confirm my suspicions, but still indicate to what I am talking about. You, however, have NOTHING. Yet you still stubbornly cling to your position because....because.
My position is basically supported by every other moment he has been on screen. If he was really a kid or whatever he would've been demonstrating that from the first episode. He hasn't, he's been characterized as a somewhat cocky and confident comic relief character, he isn't going to revert to nothing short of mental retardation when posed with a moral quandary. And yeah, you are calling him a kid in basically every way possibly. Every other post makes reference to his 8 or 5 year old mindset or the fact that he doesn't think like your or me because he's a kid. You've basically said in every way possible that he has the mind of a child.

He knows their names. This means nothing. I know the Aztecs have a god named Quetzalcoatl, but I can't tell you anything about it other than that it's a giant snake because I just heard the name thrown around sometimes and I never took my time to properly investigate the rest of the mythology. So how can Bolin know the names but not know what they do? Just like that.
Now you're just being obtuse. I just...don't know how to respond to this anymore beyond suggesting that I find it impossible to believe anyone with even the slightest big of logic would believe anything different from what I'm currently arguing. I'm sorry if that's insulting but this argument just doesn't compute anymore. Take together all of it: he's lived on the streets, his brother worked for the gangs, every other character in the series knows about the gangs and what they do, he personally knows people who work for the gangs, he's aware of people in general who work for the gangs, he knows specifically what the gangs together are referred to as, he has to be reassured by someone who works for the gangs that a job he's being offered isn't illegal. You're telling me, all that considered, it's inappropriate to assume Bolin knows full well what the gangs are? Are you kidding me?

You have plenty of choice. You can refuse service, if you own the place. Or, if you don't, you can quit rather than serve him. According to you, it's the only morally right thing to do. Whats that? You need the money and it's not illegal activity anyway? Well, doesn't that sound familiar. Bodygaurding runs a higher risk, but that's the only thing separating these jobs. And the risk is not even that much higher. Some thug says the wrong word in your presence as a waiter, and suddenly your a liability. It's fine to consider staying away from these people to be safe, that's sensible, but morally wrong to not do so? That's ridiculous.
I never said it was illegal, only morally questionable if you're the one working for them of your own choice. Yeah, you can deny service (though that opens a whole can of worms about retribution and such) but you're still ignoring the distinction between getting a good job under the assumption that you're doing honest work as opposed to choosing to work for a gang that does illegal stuff all the time.
 
I'm not really fully convinced myself, I was just writing down the impressions I got off of that encounter. It might be something else. Bolin really didn't act like someone who knew what he was doing though. Like I said, reserving judgement for later. Bolin could also be phenomonally stupid. I mean, just look at this thread. People like that exist.

Anyway, I'm done for tonight. I'm tired of repeating myself 10 times over because he can't work out what I'm plainly saying.

I see. Well I think the simple fact that he had to be reassured that they wouldn't be doing anything illegal can be taken as a pretty clue that dumb or not (and one could argue that his decision-making was dumb), he probably wasn't making that decision as a complete naif.

My position is basically supported by every other moment he has been on screen. If he was really a kid or whatever he would've been demonstrating that from the first episode. He hasn't, he's been characterized as a somewhat cocky and confident comic relief character, he isn't going to revert to nothing short of mental retardation when posed with a moral quandary.

And this is the biggest hole for me with your argument, Generic. Your interpretation of that scene runs counter to everything we knew about him up till that point, and nothing about that scene required a radical reinterpretation of Bolin as a moron.
 
And this is the biggest hole for me with your argument, Generic. Your interpretation of that scene runs counter to everything we knew about him up till that point, and nothing about that scene required a radical reinterpretation of Bolin as a moron.
Wait, I'm retarded. You were agreeing with me I think. Fuck me I need to go to bed. I don't even know anymore. Please forgive me.
 
ugh, why do I do this to myself...

My position is basically supported by every other moment he has been on screen. If he was really a kid or whatever he would've been demonstrating that from the first episode. He hasn't, he's been characterized as a somewhat cocky and confident comic relief character, he isn't going to revert to nothing short of mental retardation when posed with a moral quandary. And yeah, you are calling him a kid in basically every way possibly. Every other post makes reference to his 8 or 5 year old mindset or the fact that he doesn't think like your or me because he's a kid. You've basically said in every way possible that he has the mind of a child.

To be a child in one way is not to be a child in another. One can be vastly ignorant of social norms, but teach Godel's incompleteness theorum with no trouble. I vaguely recall this one mathematical genius would regularly get lost on his way to his own rooms, even though he's lived in a place for months. Yet his mathematical prowess was legendary. Was he a genius or an idiot? My suggestion is that he is ignorant of how dark things can get in the world. He hasn't experienced it enough because his brother protected him. You'd be amazed at how little people can know just from simple lack of experience with something. But how can that be? That's why he is not a retard, yet be this profoundly ignorant. Well, lets take it from the top.

he's lived on the streets

This confirms he was poor, nothing else.

his brother worked for the gangs

And I'm sure he would have brought home plenty of stories to share about that. Also, remember, according to him, he just ran numbers for them, he didn't torture a guy with firebending or anything.

every other character in the series knows about the gangs and what they do,

There is knowing, and there's knowing. Intellectually, he probably knows what they do, but he doesn't fully comprehend it. The same way you can't really fully comprehend what it's like to fall from the sky, feeling the wind blast your face. Or ice skate, despite knowing the general physics that would allow you to push forward. Or sex. If you read about enough and know all the techniques intellectually, does that mean you already know the experience of sex without ever having it? This is the same thing here. He knows they do things like extort money, but his brother has been explicitly stated to protect him from this sort of stuff, so he doesn't have personal experience with it.

he personally knows people who work for the gangs, he's aware of people in general who work for the gangs, he knows specifically what the gangs together are referred to as

These can be droplets of information that he learned by observing his brother whenever his work came home that mako couldn't catch. He never really saw the dirty business done first hand, but he learned a few faces. It'd have been impossible to fully protect him.

he has to be reassured by someone who works for the gangs that a job he's being offered isn't illegal.
Again, there's knowing and there's knowing whats going on. He knows intellectually that it's illegal, but that doesn't mean he comprehends what it fully means. Extortion, drugs, death, that's just a vague and distant thing that he doesn't fully realize.

You're telling me, all that considered, it's inappropriate to assume Bolin knows full well what the gangs are? Are you kidding me?

No, I never said that. Just that all that is can be circumstantial and explained by Mako's job. On the other hand, the indication that he seems to see Mako as the Authority of moral matters and doesn't think for himself, can't be as easily explained. If he is like you say, much more savvy of whats going on, then the way he acted there is none the less a strange lapse in his own agency and strange acting overall concerning the money.

I never said it was illegal, only morally questionable if you're the one working for them of your own choice. Yeah, you can deny service (though that opens a whole can of worms about retribution and such) but you're still ignoring the distinction between getting a good job under the assumption that you're doing honest work as opposed to choosing to work for a gang that does illegal stuff all the time.

If you are a waiter, and you see a criminal walk in, and are told to serve him, then you are in the exact same position that Bolin is in. You have the criminal in front of you, he wants a service, and you can accept or refuse him. If you don't, someone else probably will, and you won't get paid. So, if Bolin is wrong for taking the job that he is told is not connected with any illegal activity, so is the waiter, which is a ridiculous notion to me. There is nothing wrong with doing a legal job, for anyone. It's a bad idea to get yourself mixed with criminals because it's dangerous, but you are not doing a morally wrong action.


And this is the biggest hole for me with your argument, Generic. Your interpretation of that scene runs counter to everything we knew about him up till that point, and nothing about that scene required a radical reinterpretation of Bolin as a moron.
You guys never seen anyone who is incredibly capable in many areas, but horribly failing in one in some way? Or otherwise seems really dumb but is really capable in some other line of thinking? Intelligence often isn't that clear cut, where someone is evenly capable in all areas. This could be a good example of that. Bolin isn't a moron, but he is sheltered by his brother. That alone can explain why he'd know so much about gangs, yet so little about what they do. Mako could hide the bloody details from him. This is the first and only time we've seen him in a moral dilemna and concerning gangs. We need to see how he acts in several situations, but this is one path they can potentially take. That's all I'm saying. Like i said, I don't think we have enough to go on to know for sure just yet.
 
Generic, congratulations for living up to your user name. The fact that you're going to such great lengths to discuss such a miniscule, irrelevant character fallacy (in a cartoon show no less) which was nothing more than an excuse for Korra to hear Amon's speech pretty much tells me you way too much time on your hands.
 
Generic, congratulations for living up to your user name. The fact that you're going to such great lengths to discuss such a miniscule, irrelevant character fallacy (in a cartoon show no less) which was nothing more than an excuse for Korra to hear Amon's speech pretty much tells me you way too much time on your hands.

While that last part is entirely too true, good writers know how to use every character moment as a way of expanding on that character. Or at the very least doing something that is not out of character for no real reason. I hold the writers of Avatar to a very high regard and don't believe they'd they'd miss an opportunity, especially this early in the show where characters are ripe for showcasing their various facets. I'm not even arguing that I'm right about the whole bolin thing, but the suggestion that it means nothing, nothing whatsoever, seems far more ridiculous to me. Cartoons, especially this one, can be more sophisticated than you give them credit for.

edit: Also, how does being stubborn as shit make me live up to my username?
 
incredible mental gymnastics
Geez louise dude. "There is knowing, and there's knowing"? What? You're suggesting he knows what extortion is but that he lacks the empathy to properly understand that it's something bad that he shouldn't be apart of? "He knows it's illegal but can't comprehend what it fully means"? What? You're suggesting he puts extortion on the same level as jaywalking? His parents are dead but death is a vague and distant thing? This is not just suggesting Bolin acts like a kid sometimes, you're ascribing him with literal mental handicaps. A teenager without the slightest hint of a moral compass. We try 14 year olds in this country as adults sometimes and yet Bolin is apparently incapable of the simple understanding that extortion and murder are wrong.

If you are a waiter, and you see a criminal walk in, and are told to serve him, then you are in the exact same position that Bolin is in.
Nah, one is a job you took with the reasonable expectation that you wouldn't ever have to do anything illegal or even morally questionable. Bolin decided of his own free will to join up with known extortionists and thugs for a quick buck. They're clearly different. One will never get you confused with a gang member, the other will.

There is nothing wrong with doing a legal job, for anyone. It's a bad idea to get yourself mixed with criminals because it's dangerous, but you are not doing a morally wrong action.
See, I disagree. If you get offered a job to work for known criminals, specifically physically violent ones who terrorize innocent people, you're walking the thinnest of lines between outright morally wrong and at best morally questionable. Especially when, in Bolin's case, it's for a quick buck which if Mako was to be believed could've been avoided by honest hard work that leaves no moral quandaries.
 
I have a question, when was it ever shown(if at all) the avatar could take away bending powers?

Also how in the blazing fire nation does some nut job get that power? Also shout outs to chi blockers still being around. I loved that fight scene.
 
I have a question, when was it ever shown(if at all) the avatar could take away bending powers?

spoiler for avatar: the last airbender

at the very end of avatar: the last airbender, when aang used spirit-bending to take away ozai's firebending.

Also how in the blazing fire nation does some nut job get that power? Also shout outs to chi blockers still being around. I loved that fight scene.

it's probably not actual spirit bending. it's probably something else.
 
I wish Amon sounded less 'evil', his beef with bending is legit and I'm not sure if non-benders make up the majority of the population. I would rather his intentions are real and good but power corrupted him somewhat.

With all this fire benders being criminals and killing parents, you have to wonder what Zuko was doing as the Firelord and who the fire lord is right now. A gradual glimpse into the making of Republic City would be cool. Or they can mention how the triads were leftovers for another revolutionary group during the war, growing out of the White Lotus as they did in actual history.

Spoilers from the Welcome to Republic City Flash site:
The new Fie Lord is Zuko's daughter who took over 3 years ago when Zuko retired. He is still travelling the world topromote peace and balance, which makes me think that we will see him eventually in Republic City.

As for the making of Republic City, that's what The Promise will be for I guess. Part 1 already shows the Colony that will become Republic City.
 
Wow, loved this episode. Did anyone else see the preview clip for the next episode?
Korra calls Amon out! And it looks like she gets captured!
 
Amon isn't a bender so, by definition, he can't be doing energy bending, right?! I'd imagine his supporters wouldn't exactly be thrilled that their leader is suddenly a bender
and didn't ask the spirits to give them those powers too
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Korra should have been taught chiblocking. Only bending elitists wouldn't have included a Kyoshi warrior as one of her tutors. Down with the White Lotus.
:P

The "Welcome to Republic City site has been updayed with more locations

http://www.nick.com/games/legend-of-korra-welcome-to-republic-city.html?navid=showNav


I <3 Nick
 
Yeah, the preview looked intense. Gotta love how the show just goes full steam ahead.

The kind of have to, since they've only got 13 episodes a season this time, instead of 20.

I don't mind it, but I think a lot of the "filler" episodes of ATLA did a lot of character development that Korra is going to miss out on -- or at the very least, struggle with -- because of the tighter schedule.

Book One of ATLA really set the characters up for the next two seasons, and Korra really doesn't have that luxury.
 
The kind of have to, since they've only got 13 episodes a season this time, instead of 20.

I don't mind it, but I think a lot of the "filler" episodes of ATLA did a lot of character development that Korra is going to miss out on -- or at the very least, struggle with -- because of the tighter schedule.

Book One of ATLA really set the characters up for the next two seasons, and Korra really doesn't have that luxury.

I dunno if this is true at all.
Gurren Lagann is a show with 26 episodes and far more characters, and yet you got amazing development from them.
 
In-universe, energybending is not even recognized as bending, for them it's just an ability to strip benders from their power given to him by the spirits. I don't think is much of a deal for them that Amon can "energybend" as long he is not shooting any Kamehameha.
 
The kind of have to, since they've only got 13 episodes a season this time, instead of 20.

I don't mind it, but I think a lot of the "filler" episodes of ATLA did a lot of character development that Korra is going to miss out on -- or at the very least, struggle with -- because of the tighter schedule.

Book One of ATLA really set the characters up for the next two seasons, and Korra really doesn't have that luxury.
There's plenty of room for character development in 10 hours (roughly the combined time of 26 eps). Of course not as much as in 60 episodes but I'm just happy Mike and Bryan are able to do the series just like they want to. TLA was originally planned as 13 episodes per season too but Nick's schedule only allowed full 20 episode seasons.
 
In-universe, energybending is not even recognized as bending, for them it's just an ability to strip benders from their power given to him by the spirits. I don't think is much of a deal for them that Amon can "energybend" as long he is not shooting any Kamehameha.
Energybending also lets you impart knowledge on anyone you bend it to.
 
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