Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]

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there were some posts about avengers being not that successfull in germany. i saw it in cologne today. and it was playing in the biggest cinema. it was pretty packed and the crowd went crazy at some scenes. even big time applauding after the movie.

and, omg. the scenes with hulk were fantastic.

beating loki and thor was just pure gold
 
Question from the last page.

Out of morbid interest any decent Avengers cheap digital collections (or individual titles) being offered by Marvel digital to tie in with the film? I have a long commute.
 
Page after page of reviews and impressions have left me rock hard.

I thought everyone was being too hasty. Whedon has always been a good writer, but even I was worried that he might have bitten off more than he could chew with this movie.

Good to see that he didn't. I mean... if you're going to make an Avengers movie it has to be comedic, dramatic, and action packed. Whedon is better at that then most, but there was a part of me worried they'd give him too much money and he'd crack.
 
duckroll said:
My only disappointment with the movie would be how generic and unexciting the alien army at the end looked. It is as seen in the trailers - an uninspired almost-Skrull design which is not quite as imaginative or cool. Still, they managed to get quite a bit of mileage out of that simply because the heroes are so fun to watch in action. Kids will probably enjoy these sequences way more, and if they sell a bunch of toys because of that, they probably deserve to.
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That's really my one gripe with the whole movie. I mean,
this is the alien invasion that they were trying to prevent? They're not exactly very dangerous or very efficient. Why are they jumping into office buildings and shooting civilians one by one? Do they know how long it's going to take to kill everyone in the city that way? One modern bomber could do more damager to the city than their entire advanced army from out of space.
 
Some Armond White wannabe named Cole Smithey dropped in a negative review. Lol.

Current RT tally: 70 fresh, 3 rotten. 96%
 
Mr. Sam said:
Do go on.
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I can't say more that it'd spoil the movie, but Jex basically touched upon one of the problems. I just found the movie hilarious in how many things were just like, why would that happen, why would you do that, what was that, etc. It's not a bad movie, like I said before I had a good time with it, it's just lacking in sense in it's writing.
 
Jexhius said:
That's really my one gripe with the whole movie. I mean,
this is the alien invasion that they were trying to prevent? They're not exactly very dangerous or very efficient. Why are they jumping into office buildings and shooting civilians one by one? Do they know how long it's going to take to kill everyone in the city that way? One modern bomber could do more damager to the city than their entire advanced army from out of space.
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Well, the aliens had those big
worm-like spaceship/robots. The Avengers got a few of those and thus prevented a destruction of New York.

I think that it fits.
The Avengers weren't completely perfect and not right on time, but they did the best they could and beat them. The mid-credits-scene gave it away that the intruders and Thanos underestimated the humans.
 
So, now that Marvel figured out that people prefer to see hero stories than monster stories, The Hulk might get a 3rd chance at box office gold.
 
This movie was really great! Some of the scenes got the entire crowd to laugh and clap. Can't remember last time that happened, especially for an action movie.

I left the movie really satisfied. No doubt the best super hero movie I have seen.
 
Sentry said:
Sure, and you can make the argument that it can be watched after Thor due to the mythical elements in it, but I was thinking specifically about the Cap shield in IM2. :lol Though you're right, Cap should be last.
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Honestly, if you know about all heroes, only Cap's movie provides with new info (how the Tesseract works). I'd suggest watching them all, but only Cap is "needed"
 
Ezalc said:
I can't say more that it'd spoil the movie, but Jex basically touched upon one of the problems. I just found the movie hilarious in how many things were just like, why would that happen, why would you do that, what was that, etc. It's not a bad movie, like I said before I had a good time with it, it's just lacking in sense in it's writing.
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I didn't think that was a problem. Superhero plots in comics have never made sense. Why do supervillains like Lex Luthor rob banks when they could just be Steve Jobs? Why do they keep building evil robots and stuff? It doesn't make sense except superheroes need something they can punch.
 
Won't be seeing it until Sunday night. No one could get their schedules to match on Friday or Saturday. You would think I was going with a bunch of world leaders, learn how to clear a schedule.


First world problems and all that good stuff.
 
Jexhius said:
That's really my one gripe with the whole movie. I mean,
this is the alien invasion that they were trying to prevent? They're not exactly very dangerous or very efficient. Why are they jumping into office buildings and shooting civilians one by one? Do they know how long it's going to take to kill everyone in the city that way? One modern bomber could do more damager to the city than their entire advanced army from out of space.
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Well to be fair
they did cause a hell of a lot of mayhem and destruction.. Loki wouldn't be able to become the ruler if there was no one left to rule.
But a valid complaint nonetheless, I think. Since this is basically an introduction movie, i'm hoping for more elaborate bad guys/armies with more emphasis on 'character' and motive, in the future. Which seems
to be where they're going with the wholeThanos reveal, i.e. someone pulling the strings.

The Anti-Monitor said:
Honestly, if you know about all heroes, only Cap's movie provides with new info (how the Tesseract works). I'd suggest watching them all, but only Cap is "needed"
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Nah, Thor is the most vital thing to watch before Avengers, imo, since Loki plays a big part and all. Though in reality, of course, none of the previous films are necessary to still understand it all.
 
Carcetti said:
I didn't think that was a problem. Superhero plots in comics have never made sense. Why do supervillains like Lex Luthor rob banks when they could just be Steve Jobs? Why do they keep building evil robots and stuff? It doesn't make sense except superheroes need something they can punch.
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My complaint isn't the same as Jex's though he does raise a valid point. It's just a bunch of other stuff happened that was inherently stupid that made no sense to me. I'll just say one of the ones that stuck out in my mind the most:

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The point where the planes with the nukes are taking off. Fury comes out with a bazooka and shoots one before it takes off and then takes out his pistol to deal with the other. Now this is just fucking moronic for an incredible number of reasons but let's just deal with the biggest one. THERE IS A NUKE INSIDE THE PLANE YOU ARE SHOOTING A ROCKET AT. How in the fuck is that a good idea in any sense of the word especially when you are 20 fucking feet away from the damn thing. I found the scene hilariously stupid which to top off had Fury make the attempt to shoot down a fighter jet with a pistol. I couldn't stop laughing at that part, what he didn't shoot because the jet had gotten out of range? Hahahaha.
 
Ezalc said:
The point where the planes with the nukes are taking off. Fury comes out with a bazooka and shoots one before it takes off and then takes out his pistol to deal with the other. Now this is just fucking moronic for an incredible number of reasons but let's just deal with the biggest one. THERE IS A NUKE INSIDE THE PLANE YOU ARE SHOOTING A ROCKET AT. How in the fuck is that a good idea in any sense of the word especially when you are 20 fucking feet away from the damn thing. I found the scene hilariously stupid which to top off had Fury make the attempt to shoot down a fighter jet with a pistol. I couldn't stop laughing at that part, what he didn't shoot because the jet had gotten out of range? Hahahaha.
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eh, quick reaction and all
 
Ezalc said:
My complaint isn't the same as Jex's though he does raise a valid point. It's just a bunch of other stuff happened that was inherently stupid that made no sense to me. I'll just say one of the ones that stuck out in my mind the most:

MOVIE SPOILER AHEAD

The point where the planes with the nukes are taking off. Fury comes out with a bazooka and shoots one before it takes off and then takes out his pistol to deal with the other. Now this is just fucking moronic for an incredible number of reasons but let's just deal with the biggest one. THERE IS A NUKE INSIDE THE PLANE YOU ARE SHOOTING A ROCKET AT. How in the fuck is that a good idea in any sense of the word especially when you are 20 fucking feet away from the damn thing. I found the scene hilariously stupid which to top off had Fury make the attempt to shoot down a fighter jet with a pistol. I couldn't stop laughing at that part, what he didn't shoot because the jet had gotten out of range? Hahahaha.
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nuke rockets cannot go off until they are activated (which happens after launch). even if fury wanted to, he never could have activated the bomb with the rocket launcher or pistol.
 
Funky Papa said:
I know this is a superhero movie and whatevs, but...
actual nukes are nearly impossible to detonate by external forces.
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I'll concede this point to me being ignorant of the particulars pertaining to launching and detonations of nukes, but if he had hit it with the rocket it surely would have exploded as well.
 
Ezalc said:
I'll concede this point to me being ignorant of launching and detonations of nukes, but if he had hit it with the rocket it surely would have exploded as well.
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Not really.
The US Army actually lost a few of them in aerial accidents and nothing happened (besides nuclear contamination, which kind of sucks anyway). The conventional explosives of the bomb may detonate, but it takes more than that to create a nuclear explosion.
 
Just one hour left. I normally wouldn't be so excited, but it has been a hellish day. If this movie entertains me for the runtime, I just may very well love it.
 
So I'm taking my dad to see this, he's seen everything but Ironman 2, do I need to have him watch it or will he be fine assuming I explain who Scarlett Johansson is (eye candy)?
 
Ezalc said:
I'll concede this point to me being ignorant of the particulars pertaining to launching and detonations of nukes, but if he had hit it with the rocket it surely would have exploded as well.
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Modern nukes have plenty of safeguards to prevent a nuclear reaction from starting. So even if you blew it up with another explosive, it will likely not cause a nuclear detonation. At worse, the standard explosive material in it would also go off, but not in such a way to cause the nuclear reaction to start up.
 
duckroll said:
The one thing that set Marvel Studios apart from all previous comic movie adaptations is that this wasn't a case of a Hollywood studio licensing properties to make profitable movies out of them. This was a case of an actual comic company wanting to invest into a movie comic universe continuity and to build on this universe through multiple movies each featuring individual comic properties
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....and MAKE MONEY. Come on, ducky son.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
Modern nukes have plenty of safeguards to prevent a nuclear reaction from starting. So even if you blew it up with another explosive, it will likely not cause a nuclear detonation. At worse, the standard explosive material in it would also go off, but not in such a way to cause the nuclear reaction to start up.
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Funky Papa said:
Not really.
The US Army actually lost a few of them in aerial accidents and nothing happened (besides nuclear contamination, which kind of sucks anyway). The conventional explosives of the bomb may detonate, but it takes more than that to create a nuclear explosion.
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Thanks for the clarifications, guess that's one of the complaints I can cross off my list then.
 
WrikaWrek said:
So, now that Marvel figured out that people prefer to see hero stories than monster stories, The Hulk might get a 3rd chance at box office gold.
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I loved 'The Incredible Hulk' and thought the fight at the end was superb and very intense due to how loud and violent it came across in the cinema. Love the impact of this scene on the Blu-Ray also.

I know it was not to everyone's taste but I believe that the Norton movie could have probably pulled in another $100 million at the box office minimum if it hadn't been for the bad taste left over that many felt from the Ang Lee movie. I had to convince many people to give the 'Incredible Hulk' a watch due to many of them hating the 'Hulk' movie. I basically had to force one of my mates into watching it as he detested the other film but he ended up really enjoying the newer film after all. I think there is no doubt whatsoever this impacted the follow up as most people I know find that the Norton film gave them more of what they had expected the first time around. I am a fan of both takes of the Hulk but I still prefer the follow up.

I am a fan of Bana and of Hurt but my ultimate Hulk cast chose between the two films would have been:

Ed Norton - Banner/Hulk
Sam Elliot - General Ross
Jennifer Connelly - Betty Ross

With regards to 'The Avengers', I went and saw the film on Thursday when it opened up here in the UK. It was a good movie and the characters were all given sufficient screen time. The action scenes were superbly filmed and edited along with being easy to follow which I found impressive. It really was a spectacle and well worth the cinema visit. Whedon managed to juggle so many balls where so many other directors would have faltered but I can not shake the feeling of being let down by some of the progression of the film and some of the inconsistencies. A good and hugely enjoyable movie for sure but some things seem to be missing that stop it from being great.
 
duckroll said:
Extremely effective. Not every character has "equal screen time" in runtime, but they all get different types of screen time, effective for the given character. They did a marvelous job imo.
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Sounds good. I'm curious how they did stuff like portray the Avengers' various power levels. I'm not Mr. Superhero Comic Book, admittedly, so I could just plain be wrong about this... but it seems like Thor - as an actual god of sorts - should be quite a bit more powerful than the others save for maybe the Hulk. Do they get power differences across at all in that manner?
 
Zeliard said:
Sounds good. I'm curious how they did stuff like portray the Avengers' various power levels. I'm not Mr. Superhero Comic Book, admittedly, so I could just plain be wrong about this... but it seems like Thor - as an actual god of sorts - should be quite a bit more powerful than the others save for maybe the Hulk. Do they get power differences across at all in that manner?
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Hawkeye kills Thor by punching him. Really good portrayal of power levels!
 
Zeliard said:
Sounds good. I'm curious how they did stuff like portray the Avengers' various power levels. I'm not Mr. Superhero Comic Book, admittedly, so I could just plain be wrong about this... but it seems like Thor - as an actual god of sorts - should be quite a bit more powerful than the others save for maybe the Hulk. Do they get power differences across at all in that manner?
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Yes, each character has their weaknesses and strengths weaved into all their scenes. You won't be seeing more vulnerable characters taking direct hits and surviving. Instead they will have to put more effort into avoiding hits or improvising with their special skills. The only ones who are seen trading endless blows without a hint of fatigue are Thor and Hulk. The action scenes are really well thought out.
 
duckroll said:
Yes, each character has their weaknesses and strengths weaved into all their scenes. You won't be seeing more vulnerable characters taking direct hits and surviving. Instead they will have to put more effort into avoiding hits or improvising with their special skills. The only ones who are seen trading endless blows without a hint of fatigue are Thor and Hulk. The action scenes are really well thought out.
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Good stuffs. Gonna catch it next week when it comes out here, should be a treat.
 
Tobor said:
Some Armond White wannabe named Cole Smithey dropped in a negative review. Lol.

Current RT tally: 70 fresh, 3 rotten. 96%
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It's been a while since Troll White has been mentioned. I thought Rotten Tomatoes banned him. His obvious begging-for-clicks scheme will not work on me!
 
duckroll said:
I never suggested it's a charity. But the important thing is that Marvel is doing what no one else did before them, and it is a very impressive feat.
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Yet as much as I enjoyed The Avengers, I still say that what they've done is at the expense of their standalone films. Looking forward to Iron Man 3 not being a slave to Avengers stuff.
 
duckroll said:
I disagree completely. But I guess you're not much of a comic book fan.
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Yeah, I mean Thor and Cappy A weren't the greatest movies out there, but neither are what I'd call bad.

Iron Man 2 either. Sloppy? Uh... yeah duh.

Haven't really liked any of the Hulk movies.

I'm excited to see!
 
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