Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]

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XiaNaphryz said:
As a couple people have asked:

- The forest fight sequence was Weta's.
- A large majority of New York City was completely CG/digital, and is one of the largest digital sets we've ever done.
- All of Hawkeye's arrows (including the ones in the quiver) and the bow string itself are all CG.
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Oh wow... I was totally buying that the string for the bow was real, but CG? So good.

And gonna have to chime in and say that though I love Norton, Ruffalo was and is the better Banner/Hulk.
 
Hawkian said:
Not accurate- perhaps it's highly dependent on the angle of your seat?

The 3D added nothing to the experience for me, but I essentially forgot about it by the time the movie started rolling (last few trailers were in 3D too).
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Well I'll chime in with my thoughts. Now I wear classes, so it may color my judgement, though it's worked in all movies I've seen it in.
 
DrForester said:
+/- Loki. I like this character, but think he has been built up all wrong. "Thor" never really decided if they were making him cartoon super villain, or misguided child. This movie just continued the trend. Tom Hiddleston is fantastic though.
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Loki
is definitely a force to be reckoned with, but yeah, he is always just really misguided. He doesn't really have great intentions, he is the mischevious "trickster god," but he doesn't really wish for the destruction of mankind or anything like that. He just wants really hard to prove himself after playing second-fiddle to Thor all his life, and his over-eagerness usually ends up getting him and everyone else into way more trouble than he bargained for. This happens time and time again and is usually his undoing whenever Thor or The Avengers show up to deal with him. It's definitely part of his character and they did a good job of portraying this in both Thor and The Avengers.
 
Auron_Kale said:
And gonna have to chime in and say that though I love Norton, Ruffalo was and is the better Banner/Hulk.
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It's all the more impressive seeing as I was disappointed going in that Norton wasn't returning. He had a lot of convincing to do and he really did a job. I'm not surprised so many reviews are singling him out.
Pai Pai Master said:
Loki is definitely a force to be reckoned with, but yeah, he is always just really misguided. He doesn't really have great intentions, he is the mischevious "trickster god," but he doesn't really wish for the destruction of mankind or anything like that. He just wants really hard to prove himself after playing second-fiddle to Thor all his life, and his ambition usually ends up getting him and everyone else into way more trouble than he bargained for. This happens time and time again and is usually his undoing whenever Thor or The Avengers show up to deal with him. It's definitely part of his character and they did a good job of portraying this in both Thor and The Avengers.
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True, I can understand Forester's complaint, but really it's a complaint about the character himself rather than his portrayal. His somewhat chaotic arrogance and unpredictability in Thor's wake are the hallmarks of his character.

Really I'm just so hyped now, because
Thanos is a just completely different league of villain. He can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk in terms of physical strength alone and if he gets the Infinity Gauntlet then ohhh man are we fucked.
 
Auron_Kale said:
Oh wow... I was totally buying that the string for the bow was real, but CG? So good.

And gonna have to chime in and say that though I love Norton, Ruffalo was and is the better Banner/Hulk.
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It becomes a lot more obvious when you see the behind the scenes b-roll footage. The physical quiver has some stand-in arrows, but they had to be replaced. The bow string is present in some scenes, but in others also was replaced for one reason or another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAH-Tu0UyjQ#t=0m55s

To be safe, don't watch if you haven't seen the movie yet.
 
I really didn't like CGI Hulk, but I knew that going in.

For whatever reason, I'm very perceptive to CGI and it always stands out. Probably why I felt that final battle scene went on too long-- it just felt unreal to me.
 
I interpreted Loki in Thor as the jealous adopted brother who just wanted to prove he was better than the favored son Thor, and that his need to prove himself drove him to extreme actions. He wasn't entirely wrong either. Thor at the start of his movie was a totally impulsive idiot and really didn't deserve to be King.

Loki wouldn't have even sent The Destroyer against Thor if his friends didn't try to bring him back to Asgard. Loki was fine with Thor being reduced to a mortal man living out his life on Earth.

Loki trying to commit genocide on the Frost Giants was indicative of his self-hatred once he realized his origins, which makes sense considering that he was raised on a world where the Frost Giants were the bad guys.
 
Zzoram said:
I interpreted Loki in Thor as the jealous adopted brother who just wanted to prove he was better than the favored son Thor. He wasn't entirely wrong either. Thor at the start of his movie was a totally impulsive idiot and really didn't deserve to be King.
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And Loki did have other reasons to be pissed off too.
 
So whats a good Avengers comic to read after watching the movie? Is there a particular storyline that people recommend? I only ever read Spider-man and X-men comics as a kid.
 
Definitely, people rag on the Thor movie but I think it was just such an excellent portrayal of the relationship between the two brothers and did such an amazing job showing just who Loki is and what he's all about, which for a lot of non-comic readers gave them something to cling to with his character in Avengers. He was perfect for this film.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I really didn't like CGI Hulk, but I knew that going in.

For whatever reason, I'm very perceptive to CGI and it always stands out. Probably why I felt that final battle scene went on too long-- it just felt unreal to me.
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I tend to be perceptive to it too, but it must be another level for you. I could barely watch Wolverine without involuntarily twitching every few seconds, for example, but I'd place this Hulk well above the other CGI incarnations of the same character so far, and alongside Gollum and King Kong in terms of convincing digital characters personally.
Zzoram said:
I interpreted Loki in Thor as the jealous adopted brother who just wanted to prove he was better than the favored son Thor, and that his need to prove himself drove him to extreme actions. He wasn't entirely wrong either. Thor at the start of his movie was a totally impulsive idiot and really didn't deserve to be King.
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Indeed, and things are well-complicated when
he learns of his true parentage
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First off loved the movie. Great action scene with witty writing throughout the movie. I've never been so happy coming out of a movie.


Just felt off for me that this takes place in the Marvel universe and the main fight happens in NYC which is where Fantastic Four HQ is located. Also Spiderman is from NYC as well and Xavier Mansion is in Westchester which is not too far from NYC.
 
I am seeing The Avengers in 4.5 hours and I hope that they didn't reduce Loki's complexity. I hope that his need to prove himself better than Thor is still his primary motivator.

In Thor, his "evil" plan was to destroy the Frost Giants, long time enemy of Asgard, to prove himself more worthy than Thor. I didn't think it was a very evil plan, and as he said, it was the same thing that Thor wanted to do earlier in the movie.
 
zlatko said:
Anyone?
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Why u no look at my answers
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37555323&postcount=4099

Zzoram said:
I am seeing The Avengers in 4.5 hours and I hope that they didn't reduce Loki's complexity. I hope that his need to prove himself better than Thor is still his primary motivator.

In Thor, his "evil" plan was to destroy the Frost Giants, long time enemy of Asgard, to prove himself more worthy than Thor. I didn't think it was a very evil plan, and as he said, it was the same thing that Thor wanted to do earlier in the movie.
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You will not be disappointed. There are couple scenes with him
talking to a generic I AM DANGEROUS alien entity that would be filler in just about any other movie, given life by his attitude and Hiddleston's performance.
 
Mr. Sam said:
You say that, but I would have never noticed this:
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I certainly don't notice little things like the bowstring all the time, but I do notice all the big stuff. I don't know that I could have said that the whole city was digital, but it was apparent to me that most or all of the screen was in a most of scenes.

I'm not sitting there analyzing every object in frame, it just reads "wrong" to my eyes for whatever reason. It's like there's a texture to it or something-- even when the lighting is excellent.

I realized I was more sensitive to it than most people when Blade 2 came out and people praised it while I had thought the CGI was horribly stand-out. I've noticed a lot of movies since where people praise the CGI that looks jarring to me. Doesn't bug Mrs Mouse, for instance.

I don't slight the film for it, most people will not notice/care. But that's why I always had a hard time with Hulk scenes. Basically it's Roger Rabbit to me.
 
Zzoram said:
In Thor, his "evil" plan was to destroy the Frost Giants, long time enemy of Asgard, to prove himself more worthy than Thor. I didn't think it was a very evil plan, and as he said, it was the same thing that Thor wanted to do earlier in the movie.
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That kind of annoyed me, Loki was right and Thor's oh I'm better now rang hollow, especially since he never felt bad over his little punitive raid he launched.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Someone who doesn't have to pay anything to see it. I also wanted to see how the 3D quality is, and I know my wife doesn't want to see it in 3D.


I dunno I often watch movies for the first times in part (as a function of time free) and it's never been a huge issue.
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Very bizarre. I can't even fathom doing that. Maybe if I'd seen it once before.
 
gibut said:
First off loved the movie. Great action scene with witty writing throughout the movie. I've never been so happy coming out of a movie.


Just felt off for me that this takes place in the Marvel universe and the main fight happens in NYC which is where Fantastic Four HQ is located. Also Spiderman is from NYC as well and Xavier Mansion is in Westchester which is not too far from NYC.
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Fantastic Four were across the globe trying to get Mrs. Fantastic to win a wet t-shirt contest while invisible.

Parker was too busy dealing with with his pubic hair turning into sticky white web strings. Does he shave them? Use them in fights? Tough times for Peter.

X-Men were at a pride parade. Mutant pride parade. Srsbznz
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I realized I was more sensitive to it than most people when Blade 2 came out and people praised it while I had thought the CGI was horribly stand-out. I've noticed a lot of movies since where people praise the CGI that looks jarring to me. Doesn't bug Mrs Mouse, for instance.
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No see, that stuff totally jumped out at me! The people I saw the movie with weren't bothered by it. The fucking "god lights" fight sequence... *twitch*

But this was a whole other class!

Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
That kind of annoyed me, Loki was right and Thor's oh I'm better now rang hollow, especially since he never felt bad over his little punitive raid he launched.
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You also will not be disappointed. Thor
has a serious guilt complex going on basically the whole movie.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
That kind of annoyed me, Loki was right and Thor's oh I'm better now rang hollow, especially since he never felt bad over his little punitive raid he launched.
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Yep. I sympathized with Loki more than Thor. Loki went to the trouble of luring his real father into a trap and killing him to win Odin's approval. It was all about wanting to prove himself a better Son of Odin than Thor.
 
Hawkian said:
Why u no look at my answers
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37555323&postcount=4099


You will not be disappointed. There are couple scenes with him
talking to a generic I AM DANGEROUS alien entity that would be filler in just about any other movie, given life by his attitude and Hiddleston's performance.
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Thanks. I didn't bother to untag taht 2nd part since the quote above it was someone else so I didn't think it was for my question.

Glad you answered it. Hopefully it comes on youtube soon so I can see it like the other credit portions. :P
 
Hawkian said:
I tend to be perceptive to it too, but it must be another level for you. I could barely watch Wolverine without involuntarily twitching every few seconds, for example, but I'd place this Hulk well above the other CGI incarnations of the same character so far, and alongside Gollum and King Kong in terms of convincing digital characters personally.

Indeed, and things are well-complicated when
he learns of his true parentage
.
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Wolverine was a whole level of much worse.

Gollum and Kong are actually two of the best I can think of, and I think it's a) fur and b) that sickly skin Gollum is supposed to have helps my eyes/mind rationalize it. He still stands out a bit, though. Jurrasic Park dinos also work becuase of scales, I think. Texture plays a big part.

Yeah, I'm sensitive to it.
 
gibut said:
Just felt off for me that this takes place in the Marvel universe and the main fight happens in NYC which is where Fantastic Four HQ is located. Also Spiderman is from NYC as well and Xavier Mansion is in Westchester which is not too far from NYC.
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Yeah, it's unfortunate that they couldn't have at least put the Baxter Building in the NYC background or something. The rights issues probably prevent them from doing something as subtle as that.

To aid your suspension of disbelief, maybe pretend that the FF are off in space somewhere dealing with other stuff, and Spider-Man doesn't exist as yet in this continuity. Parker is still a kid and comes well after classic heroes like Iron Man and Captain America. ;)
 
gibut said:
First off loved the movie. Great action scene with witty writing throughout the movie. I've never been so happy coming out of a movie.


Just felt off for me that this takes place in the Marvel universe and the main fight happens in NYC which is where Fantastic Four HQ is located. Also Spiderman is from NYC as well and Xavier Mansion is in Westchester which is not too far from NYC.
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All of that is accurate but simply a function of the film franchises not being compatible. :(

What really is a small plot hole is
the lack of War Machine or even any mention of him. SHIELD knew about him, he's clearly okay with operating on his own even if the Army doesn't want to get involved, and the last we've seen of him was basically "hey can't wait til next time I get to be a badass." I would've liked a "Rhodes is engaged in a conflict in South America: throwaway or something, at least.
Really nitpicking though. I have a soft spot for the character.
 
gibut said:
First off loved the movie. Great action scene with witty writing throughout the movie. I've never been so happy coming out of a movie.


Just felt off for me that this takes place in the Marvel universe and the main fight happens in NYC which is where Fantastic Four HQ is located. Also Spiderman is from NYC as well and Xavier Mansion is in Westchester which is not too far from NYC.
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Those characters aren't part of the cinematic universe (yet?) so they don't exist in this version of New York.
 
Hawkian said:
All of that is accurate but simply a function of the film franchises not being compatible. :(

What really is a small plot hole is
the lack of War Machine or even any mention of him. SHIELD knew about him, he's clearly okay with operating on his own even if the Army doesn't want to get involved, and the last we've seen of him was basically "hey can't wait til next time I get to be a badass." I would've liked a "Rhodes is engaged in a conflict in South America throwaway or something, at least."
Really nitpicking though. I have a soft spot for the character.
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The lack of Tony getting suits onto other people in general is one of the things I just try not to think about.

In Ultimates (the comic) he actually did arm a bunch of SHIELD guys. SHIELD also gave a bunch of guys Giant Man's formula. That's the sort of thing that I just put out of my mind for the movies, though.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
The lack of Tony getting suits onto other people in general is one of the things I just try not to think about.

In Ultimates (the comic) he actually did arm a bunch of SHIELD guys. SHIELD also gave a bunch of guys Giant Man's formula. That's the sort of thing that I just put out of my mind for the movies, though.
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But
War Machine is already a well-established part of this cinematic universe (the character appears in both IM movies)...
 
DrForester said:
I just read the story about Jackson blasted some critic who dared to point out that he was pretty much useless in this film...

Maybe I should back down...



It was the opposite for me. I had a hard time buying the guy as an intellectual. The look was just all off for me.
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I just read about this and I've lost a lot of respect for Jackson. Some of the points raised in the review, particularly the 'bloated cynism' remark, I found to be agreeable; I did not buy into the conflict or distrust within the group. But to suggest that the critic should lose his job over the review? Unbelievable. This comes after "Jackson was the subject of a lengthy, glowing profile in NYT Magazine over the weekend. During the profile, Jackson sought to distance himself from other celebrities who've become too pampered to endure everyday experiences.

"I walk the streets, take the train, it's real simple," Jackson professed. "Some actors create their own mythology -- 'Oh, I'm so famous I can't go places, because I created this mythology that I'm so famous I can't go places.' "​

http://news.yahoo.com/samuel-l-jackson-slams-film-critic-over-avengers-042403217.html
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
So I did one of those trialpay things from Fandango (the stamps.com one not the crazy book clubs), so now I have a ticket for showing today for free. 3D version a block from my job. I'm only going to be able to stay for 90 minutes max, but what the hell. It's better than nothing (and no wasted gas) and it's free!
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Speaking of which, I've tried to get a ticket from this offer and it says "Sorry, this offer is not available." when I try now. Wonder if they just took it down...?
 
gibut said:
Just felt off for me that this takes place in the Marvel universe and the main fight happens in NYC which is where Fantastic Four HQ is located. Also Spiderman is from NYC as well and Xavier Mansion is in Westchester which is not too far from NYC.
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Yeah. I honestly would have been happy with just a quick shot of the FF or Spidey whaling on some goons somewhere in the background.

Or yet another after-credits scene of Spidey. "Guys, I just got back from Florida, everything finished already?"
 
Both excited and annoyed at all of the talk about the final battle. Feel like I'm just going to be waiting for that to happen. Reminds me of LOTR: The two towers where the movie was mostly boring up until the Helms Deep battle.

Is that the case here or is everything leading up to it pretty great as well?
 
Jintor said:
Yeah. I honestly would have been happy with just a quick shot of the FF or Spidey whaling on some goons somewhere in the background.

Or yet another after-credits scene of Spidey. "Guys, I just got back from Florida, everything finished already?"
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Spider-man, X-men, or Fantastic 4 cannot appear in Marvel Studios films. The rights to those guys belong to Fox and Sony.
 
Zzoram said:
Yep. I sympathized with Loki more than Thor. Loki went to the trouble of luring his real father into a trap and killing him to win Odin's approval. It was all about wanting to prove himself a better Son of Odin than Thor.
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Well, I liked Loki in Thor for not betraying Asgard and actually trying to kill the frost giants, but let's not forget he totally manipulated and lied to Thor by telling him Odin was dead, and then after that he sent the treasure room robot guard to kill off Thor.
 
Jintor said:
Yeah. I honestly would have been happy with just a quick shot of the FF or Spidey whaling on some goons somewhere in the background.

Or yet another after-credits scene of Spidey. "Guys, I just got back from Florida, everything finished already?"
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None of those things they can do with the way the movie rights are divided.

Besides that it'd be tacky to have those characters be relegated to cheap cameos.
 
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