Skimming through the pages now, people really like this thi--oh my god...
Solo loved it. HE LOVES A JOSS WHEDON PRODUCT.
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Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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Callibretto
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True, I cant imagine an avenger movie without its individual film. X-men works because it focus ob 1 character wolverine, and the x-men is already formed by the time the movie start. An avenger or jla movie where it need to show how the heroes meet and formed as well as showing the origin of these heroes spunds impossibleWithout each character having his own movie and all of them taking place in the same universe a JLA movie wouldn't have the same impact as Avengers. MAHVEL really did a smart thing here, it was a huge gamble and it paid off, even if it was to the detriment of the individual movies.
Exactly.
They need to develop a unifying approach to tone and world-building. Right now, their most successful films are Nolan's bat-flicks, but that world wouldn't mesh well with actual super-heroes. It'll be hard for them to shift their approach to Batman on a dime without alienating audiences, as well. Whoever said that the best approach might be a Superman/Batman crossover before a JLA film, rather than a standalone Batman reboot, could be on to something.
Right now, Justice League is, at best, a 10 year plan. First they need a good Superman film (I think Man of Steel will succeed there), then they have to figure out how Batman will fit into all of this (I imagine they'll want to keep the seriousness of Nolan's take, but up the fantastical elements a bit), and ideally come out with another good film, or two, based on other characters. I have no idea what they're going to do with Green Lantern. Best option there would probably be to make a loose sequel, kind of like The Incredible Hulk, which doesn't depend on continuity with the first film. If that works really well, they could eventually just cut ties with Campbell's film, just like Marvel did with Ang Lee's.
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Nazgul_Hunter
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Does anyone know what the status of Spider-Man movie rights are / will be? I know Sony has them right now, but can Marvel include him in a possible sequel? I guess the same goes for X-men and Fox
BlackBanditSho
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keep the same roster, however I want The avengers to be forced to take out the X-Men. straight up: these rogues are public enemy #1. then the all have to take down Magneto and a controlled Prof x
Nope. Although they are allowed to use Magneto's kids so long as they don't make any X-Men references
I hate it on every level. I know why they did it, but I hate it. When I go see an Iron Man movie, I want to see just that - a plot and character arc which is self contained and standalone. I don't want to have a detour which sets up some future movie. When watching a movie, I want to live in the moment of it, not looking forward to some other movie a few years down the road.
I'll never be a fan of it. But like I said, I know why they do it and The Avengers benefited from it. And that's what I expect will continue to happen going forward: the practice will hurt the individual films, but will lead to much stronger Avengers movies.
Nazgul_Hunter
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That sucks. Spidey joining them would be a good plot device for a sequel, the rookie joining a veteran team is always a good source of material
But they have been getting the "right" people(in principle at least). Chris Nolan, Martin Campbell, Bryan Singer all have stronger resumes than the directors Marvel hired. And now they're giving Snyder a chance with Superman. I don't know if want WB do adopt the control freak, top-down mentality of Marvel just to get one cool team-up movie that leaves a bunch of mediocrity in its wake. With that idea we would never have got movies on the level of Begins or TDK.
SCULLIBUNDO
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We're bros, but keep that shit outta here, lest WB execs are reading.
I never want a Justice League movie. Never. I would much prefer many great standalone flicks than shitty ones with a good ensemble piece at the end. They're finally properly rebooting Superman and I want Supes to be done right. I would love to see The Flash done right as well.
No question about their talent in casting or in directors, I was referring to the problem being their producers for the DC movies. It's really not about being a "control freak" but rather having a strong vision and telling directors exactly what you expect and want from them, and then letting them be comfortable on working their magic.
Sure, it might mean that you don't have uniquely creative interpretations of an established character like with Nolan's Batman. But that's a question of what you want as a studio. Do you want to focus on each property like an individual thing and hope for the best? Or do you want to have a grand comic vision? If you don't aim for the latter, you cannot have something like Justice League. That's my point.
BlackBanditSho
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nope. they made it work eventually, but damn it was tough going! "red ledger" ???? WTF?!@
I don't think that would cheapen anything.
Maria Hill said that the cards weren't in his pocket but his locker. Fury said they needed the push. That already implies that he lied about the cards to motivate them, if he lied about Coulson being dead that would just be an extension of the same lie.
clay_ghost
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but green lantern is one of the most shitty movie out there.
none of the marvels movie are shitty, just from ok (iron man2 , hulk ) to good (cap, thor) and Really good(iron man).
Btw BB and TDK are better than ironman.
Lol. The super teams are a part of why these characters have been so successful and endearing over the years. We want to see them work together. The fact is, these are not standalone IP's. It's a universe of characters, and not treating it as such is a mistake.
If(and it's an admittedly big if) WB can get its head out of its ass and do it right, a JLA movie would be fantastic.
GraveRobberX
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Isn't this the last Nolan Batman
I read/heard somewhere, that even though WB's really happy with the results, they want to go back to the toy selling Batman, more kiddie friendly (almost Schumacher"ish" in nature, Bat Nipple/Cod pieces for everyone)
You know the one were you have 28 different versions (color swaps, different designs) of Batman, from Snow Enabled to Poison Resistant Batman
You can do a Supes/Batman mash up, "When Worlds Collide", but JLA is too long of an investment, also most JL members will get shunned out, only Supes/Bats/Wonder will shine through, and the rest might just be background art characters
Even if WB gets everything right, lines up everything, who is the main villain? that revolves around all the DC superhero characters
They can go Darkseid but then most will go Avenger and
Thanos
Who would even be in JL, Bat/Supes/WW/GL/Flash are a given, then, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman/Girl, Aquaman, really get drowned out by the top/mid tier
SCULLIBUNDO
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What? Hulk, Iron Man 2 and Cap are all shitty.
And whilst this is going to bring an avalanche down on me, I also think Returns is better than every single movie marvel has put out.
But that's what I'm trying to say here. If you feel that it is a detour that is only setting up a future movie, then the execution has failed since you feel that way at all. Hence it is a problem with how it was implemented. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with a stand alone movie which takes place as part of a larger universe. These characters and situations exist, and the movie doesn't have to be in a vacuum.
For example, in the next Captain America movie, SHIELD will definitely be a large part of it. But this isn't "setting up Avengers 2" but rather it would be actual development for Captain America himself. His role in the modern world is as an agent of SHIELD, they pay his salary, and he works for them. It would be totally natural to have Nick Fury, Maria Hill, and even Black Widow and Hawkeye just being around somewhere in a scene somewhere, because they all work for the same organization.
That's what I'm getting at. Iron Man 2's problem was not that SHIELD was in it, but rather the way SHIELD was used in it. They dragged the pacing instead of contributing significantly to Tony's plot arc. If they were more naturally integrated into being a response to the the villains' larger plan, it would have been much better.
clay_ghost
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Cap is better than Avatar.
Spike Spiegel
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Other people have already said it, but a JLA movie is a pipe dream at this point. Green Lantern would be a terrible lead-in film, Man of Steel is still a shaky prospect, Batman is getting rebooted in a couple of years; it'd be a long time before Warner Bros could attempt it, and one bad step along the path in building up to it would doom the entire project. Not to mention that making a JLA movie requires linking all of these films into a shared universe with a common thread, a "Coulson moment" per se.
Anyhoo, gotta mow the lawn and do some housework and then I'm off for a day at the movies!
Anyhoo, gotta mow the lawn and do some housework and then I'm off for a day at the movies!
SCULLIBUNDO
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I haven't seen Green Lantern.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like that is in the cards at the moment, but that might change after they get a whiff of this weekend's box office. Maybe they do have a post-Nolan game plan and are just waiting until after TDKR passes to reveal it. Hell they were really close to releasing a JLA movie while Nolan was doing his thing, which would have been a disaster. Who knows.
All of that is still going on.
AFAIK Batman merchandising is extremely strong.Yeah Branagh is the sole exception and yet his touch is nowhere to be seen in Thor.
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I agree it wouldn't cheapen anything if done right. The revelation of Fury manipulating them to this extent would trigger more paranoia against Fury than just knowing he messed with the location of the cards. A theme they could explore in the sequel. Stark also had an otherwise throwaway line about Life Model Decoys, which are basically Marvel's get out of death free cards. Other than that they just introduced Coulson in the new Spider-Man cartoon and in comic continuity. Doesn't make sense they'd off him in one medium while just introducing him in two others
BlackBanditSho
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love jai white, but crews is it. also, doc strange would be a good pick. visually, we need more diverse powers. hulk is strong green guy. thor is strong guy with hammer and lightning. cage would just be Black strong guy who isnt as strong. the best thing about x2 (that avengers needs to work on) is visual diversity with powers and finding creative ways to use them cinematically. the comics suffer the same problem. truth be told, the cinematic avengers could really use scarlet witch and quicksilver.
old but post it anyways
avengers movie fan trailler to match avengers cartoon intro
after like a dozen bad super heroes I though I was done with the genre but god damn the avengers earth mighties heroes cartoon for being so good.
avengers movie fan trailler to match avengers cartoon intro
after like a dozen bad super heroes I though I was done with the genre but god damn the avengers earth mighties heroes cartoon for being so good.
Freewheelin'
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Saw this yesterday.
Huge Marvel fan (I think some of the characters are really cool, but haven't really read any comics :lol).
Let me say just one thing; if you are a Marvel fanboy and you grew up with these characters in comic books, then you will LOVE THIS FILM. Holy shit, it. Is the true decpition of a comic-book come to life on the big screen! Every frame looks like its taken from the comics themselves.
Also, DAT HULK SMASH! Dude was trolling the aliens. Best Hulk I've ever seen on film.
Other than that, the film was pretty good, just took a while to get going really. I loved that
Huge Marvel fan (I think some of the characters are really cool, but haven't really read any comics :lol).
Let me say just one thing; if you are a Marvel fanboy and you grew up with these characters in comic books, then you will LOVE THIS FILM. Holy shit, it. Is the true decpition of a comic-book come to life on the big screen! Every frame looks like its taken from the comics themselves.
Also, DAT HULK SMASH! Dude was trolling the aliens. Best Hulk I've ever seen on film.
Other than that, the film was pretty good, just took a while to get going really. I loved that
one take scene with the Avengers teaming up, shit was so badass
Joe Shlabotnik
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You know, outside of his Shakespeare productions (a huge caveat, admittedly), I think Branagh is ham-handed as a director. Dead Again is pretty cool and underrated though.
Joel Was Right
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The idea of a JLA film is silly because unifying those characters wouldn't make any sense; there isn't enough of a distinction between them. The only reason it works in animation is because it's an absolute geekgasm. It would look like a pantomime on screen
GraveRobberX
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Also this what Reboot #4 for Superman
Once AGAIN, IT"S A FUCKING ORIGIN STORY
WE GET IT, he is a SPACE ALIEN JESUS with a cool Red/Blue costume to boot
Seriously, can no one see why WB will be bad at JL, they can't even get Superman right, and they've been trying for the longest
How hard is it to do Brainiac, fuck just use ILM and borrow Transformers Tech and make a spiffy Brainiac with his robots attacking Earth, show Supes fight, but also learns he can't always be the Hero, be there for everyone
I'll even take Mr. Mxyzptlk as a Villian, no more Zod/Lex Luthor... PLEASE!
Once AGAIN, IT"S A FUCKING ORIGIN STORY
WE GET IT, he is a SPACE ALIEN JESUS with a cool Red/Blue costume to boot
Seriously, can no one see why WB will be bad at JL, they can't even get Superman right, and they've been trying for the longest
How hard is it to do Brainiac, fuck just use ILM and borrow Transformers Tech and make a spiffy Brainiac with his robots attacking Earth, show Supes fight, but also learns he can't always be the Hero, be there for everyone
I'll even take Mr. Mxyzptlk as a Villian, no more Zod/Lex Luthor... PLEASE!
Justice League will never happen because the movies are just a product of Warner Brothers. There isn't a sole studio division overseeing the "cinematic universe" and shepherding the characters through movies like Marvel Studios.
Marvel Studios acts like Pixar within Disney where it's not part of the corporate machine churning out movies like Warner Brothers. Disney pretty much leaves them to their own and doesn't interfere. As a result they're able to do what they want, while at the same time maintaining a cinematic continuity that all of the movies work under. That could never happen with the DC movies with how Warner currently produces them.
Marvel Studios even has a whole studio lot they operate out of, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a few years Disney buys the studio and transforms it into an official Marvel Studios lot like Pixar has up in the Bay Area. The Raleigh Studios facility in Manhattan Beach, CA is where Marvel Studios operates out of and uses for their filming stages.
Marvel Studios acts like Pixar within Disney where it's not part of the corporate machine churning out movies like Warner Brothers. Disney pretty much leaves them to their own and doesn't interfere. As a result they're able to do what they want, while at the same time maintaining a cinematic continuity that all of the movies work under. That could never happen with the DC movies with how Warner currently produces them.
Marvel Studios even has a whole studio lot they operate out of, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a few years Disney buys the studio and transforms it into an official Marvel Studios lot like Pixar has up in the Bay Area. The Raleigh Studios facility in Manhattan Beach, CA is where Marvel Studios operates out of and uses for their filming stages.
In terms of movies? It's the first reboot. Superman Returns is part of the Donner series where it's a direct sequel to Superman and the Donner Cut of Superman II.
clay_ghost
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ok.
Try not to.
However Green Lantern is the flaw in your argument on a JL movie.
Its a standalone movie like batman and superman. But its worst than any of the marvel movies.
Even iron-man 2 with all the avengers shoe in stuff is a better movie.
Why not let them try after TDKR ends ?
Hell, they can just make A JL movie without connections with the other DC movies like marval did with FF , xmen ,spider man etc in another universe.
Audience are not stupid , they will know that it a differnt batman superman etc
There were so many verison of batman before anyway.
I want a JL movie
Freewheelin'
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Superman is a terrible and boring hero anyway, there is absolutely no threat to him as he can basically turn back time and stop the baddies anyway. Dull.
Salvor.Hardin
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lolwut? The only reason The Avengers works is because of absolute geekgasm. It certainly wasn't because of the plot. In any case, the classic JLA team actually makes a lot more sense than the Avengers do.
Loki calling Black Widow amewling quim.
Assuming I've interpreted that correctly, Loki basically calls her
a whiny cunt
And that's why Joss Whedon is a genius.
I hope that they realize why the Hulk worked in this movie. He was funny and he didn't look scary like in The Incredible Hulk (partly due to always showing him clearly in light, mostly because his face was more human and he didn't have bulging veins everywhere), but instead looked more like Banner and his grin made him look mischievous.
People want a Hulk that looks and acts like a playful good guy, a Hulk that retains Banner's humanity, a Hulk like the one in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. The Incredible Hulk looked like a bad guy and Norton was too serious.
I hope that Captain America 2 is where they put Black Widow and Hawkeye next. Cap fits better with them and as a SHIELD agent than he does as a standalone hero responding to crises since he doesn't have the ability to move around quickly.
Hulk making a guest appearance in Iron Man 3 might be nice since he gets along so well with Stark, but if they do that they better keep it a secret and not put it in the trailers.
At the end of The Incredible Hulk they hinted at Banner retaining some measure of control as the Hulk and this movie expanded on that idea. I think if another Hulk movie is going to work well, they're going to have to have him be able to transform at will so he can be a hero instead of having it be a result of him being made angry. Maybe even get rid of the whole "Ross is chasing me" boring crap they kept doing and instead have Banner chasing down the source of Gamma monsters (The Leader) and people helping him because he's earned the people's respect from being an Avenger.
People want a Hulk that looks and acts like a playful good guy, a Hulk that retains Banner's humanity, a Hulk like the one in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. The Incredible Hulk looked like a bad guy and Norton was too serious.
I hope that Captain America 2 is where they put Black Widow and Hawkeye next. Cap fits better with them and as a SHIELD agent than he does as a standalone hero responding to crises since he doesn't have the ability to move around quickly.
Hulk making a guest appearance in Iron Man 3 might be nice since he gets along so well with Stark, but if they do that they better keep it a secret and not put it in the trailers.
At the end of The Incredible Hulk they hinted at Banner retaining some measure of control as the Hulk and this movie expanded on that idea. I think if another Hulk movie is going to work well, they're going to have to have him be able to transform at will so he can be a hero instead of having it be a result of him being made angry. Maybe even get rid of the whole "Ross is chasing me" boring crap they kept doing and instead have Banner chasing down the source of Gamma monsters (The Leader) and people helping him because he's earned the people's respect from being an Avenger.
SCULLIBUNDO
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ok.
Try not to.
However Green Lantern is the flaw in your argument on a JL movie.
Its a standalone movie like batman and superman. But its worst than any of the marvel movies.
Even iron-man 2 with all the avengers shoe in stuff is a better movie.
Why not let them try after TDKR ends ?
Hell, they can just make A JL movie without connections with the other DC movies like marval did with FF , xmen ,spider man etc in another universe.
Audience are not stupid , they will know that it a differnt batman superman etc
There were so many verison of batman before anyway.
I want a JL movie
I'm not saying that having standalone movies guarantees a hit every time and no misfires. Just that in gearing those films toward a payoff ensemble piece robs the individual films of their potential, which I think is absolutely horrible.
If they decided to do it now that Nolan's Batman saga is ending I would be pissed because Superman is just getting started.
It was upped again, upto 74M and the latest tracking info is close to 80M.
Manmademan
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Yup. Theres never been a superman reboot (excluding smallville, of course.) All the films refer back to superman and superman 2...but returns pretends 3 and 4 never happened.
Batman though....
SCULLIBUNDO
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I'm not even a comic book guy and I would totally be down with seeing them take Batman in a much different direction like Batman Beyond after Nolan's done.
Is Jon Peters finally out at WB? IMDB shows he hasn't produced anything since Superman Returns. I was just reading this 2005 joint Whedon/Neil Gaiman interview where Gaiman was complaining about Peters:
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