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[Oxigen_Waste]

Things Avengers did better;
- Pacing
- Action
- Dialogue

Things TDK did better:
- Character Development
- Plot
- teh serious

Depending on what you value more, you could easily find one better than the other. Some of you just sound so incredibly uptight and condescending over other people's opinions.

Ok, I'm gonna have to say something here because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Dialogue? Really? Could it be that you're actually serious here?

Pacing I "get" seeing as TDK was constant climax and that bums some people out. Though that means very little when confronted with Avengers terrible first act.

As for action, well, let's just say there's a reason Sight & Sound, being the authority in the industry that they are, called TDK and Bourne Ultimatum the best action films of the decade. Which doesn't mean Avengers doesn't have awesome action. But it's, at the very least, highly debatable... Personally I much preffer the gritty TDK action to the Avengers glossier take, but it's one of those things where there's really no best, just different types of good.

 

[soundscream]

See, now I wish this was better explained, but

Spoiler

if he can control it, then what's the big deal about him becoming Hulk, and him trying to avoid it happening, getting all depressed, etc. Just seems like a cheap plot device so that they wouldn't have to explain anything.

.

Spoiler

There is a difference from him willingly becoming the hulk and him losing control and changing. When he chooses to become the hulk he is able to somewhat control it to a point( Thor punch ). Bit if it happens without his input, like on the helicarrier after the explosion its like a self defense mechanism where the rage takes over and he is basicly an out of control bulldozer.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

was it me or was the pacing piss poor?

The opening sucked so bad... I was like ok....so what?

Hulk smash was awesome though. Thor vs Iron man <3

 

[Tobor]

was it me or was the pacing piss poor?

The opening sucked so bad... I was like ok....so what?

Hulk smash was awesome though. Thor vs Iron man <3

I thought the pacing was perfect. I'm guessing you guys never saw The Dirty Dozen?

 

[duckroll]

Ok, I'm gonna have to say something here because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Dialogue? Really? Could it be that you're actually serious here?

Avengers definitely has better dialogue. The banter is very much in-character, it's witty and funny most of the time, and it works. Some of Fury's stuff is cheesy, but fuck it's Samuel L Jackson, and thing he says is cheesy these days.

TDK does not have better dialogue (ie: actual conversation flows between characters), but it has better quotable dialogue. Characters tend to say things which are written to be deliberately, and artificially, iconic. It's kinda like Gladiator. After watching it a few times, these flaws become pretty noticeable. It's not a big deal, and it creates a great first impression the first time, but TDK is definitely a movie which gets worse with each viewing for some people, not better.

 

[Dresden]

Ok, I'm gonna have to say something here because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Dialogue? Really? Could it be that you're actually serious here?

Pacing I "get" seeing as TDK was constant climax and that bums some people out. Though that means very little when confronted with Avengers terrible first act.

As for action, well, let's just say there's a reason Sight & Sound, being the authority in the industry that they are, called TDK and Bourne Ultimatum the best action films of the decade. Which doesn't mean Avengers doesn't have awesome action. But it's, at the very least, highly debatable... Personally I much preffer the gritty TDK action to the Avengers glossier take, but it's one of those things where there's really no best, just different types of good.

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[crimsonspider89]

Nah pacing was good. The beginning was the arrival of the antagonist and the recruiting of the heroes. The middle was the heroes meeting and trying to stop the invasion as well as beating the shit out of each other. Then the antagonist gets a victory but gives them the emotional drive to come together due to his arrogance. Then the heroes unite and kick ass.

The movie felt like a comic book put in film.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Is this thread really going to get derailed by people questioning why so many other people here have stated they prefer Avengers over the Nolan Batman films and other superhero/comic films? Really?

 

[Proelite]

My big disappoint with the movie:

The Helicarrier spends most of its on-screen time being smashed by Hawkeye and Hulk. Would have loved to see it in action. The Helicarrier definitely would have been better used in a movie like Battleship. Maybe Avengers 2?

 

[duckroll]

Is this thread really going to get derailed by people questioning why so many other people prefer Avengers over the Nolan Batman films? Really?

Hey don't get in the way of my entertainment. I'm reading someone claim that TDK and Bourne Ultimatum are the best ACTION films in the last decade! This is comedy gold.

 

[LiK]

Is this thread really going to get derailed by people questioning why so many other people prefer Avengers over the Nolan Batman films? Really?

i expect more when DKR comes out.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Is this thread really going to get derailed by people questioning why so many other people prefer Avengers over the Nolan Batman films? Really?

Someone should make a thread arguing that Avengers has terrible action sequences when compared to TDK. It would destroy neogaf from within.

 

[Fantomex]

Ok, I'm gonna have to say something here because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Dialogue? Really? Could it be that you're actually serious here?

Pacing I "get" seeing as TDK was constant climax and that bums some people out. Though that means very little when confronted with Avengers terrible first act.

As for action, well, let's just say there's a reason Sight & Sound, being the authority in the industry that they are, called TDK and Bourne Ultimatum the best action films of the decade. Which doesn't mean Avengers doesn't have awesome action. But it's, at the very least, highly debatable... Personally I much preffer the gritty TDK action to the Avengers glossier take, but it's one of those things where there's really no best, just different types of good.

"totally told those guys. Mom! More hot pockets"

 

[Dany]

Is this thread really going to get derailed by people questioning why so many other people here have stated they prefer Avengers over the Nolan Batman films and other superhero/comic films? Really?

This is only the beginning.

 

[duckroll]

Someone should make a thread arguing that Avengers has terrible action sequences when compared to TDK. It would destroy neogaf from within.

No I think they would just be destroyed. By logic.

 

[cajunator]

My silly entertainment is better than your silly entertainment.

 

[ReiGun]

My two slight nerdy nitpicks:

Why doesn't Thor ever wear his helmet?

No one ever says "Avengers Assemble!" I know it's cheesy as all fuck, but like the GL oath, it's a cheesy element that has to be there. In the sequel, I guess.

i expect more when DKR comes out.

Indeed. This is just the calm before the storm.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Hey don't get in the way of my entertainment. I'm reading someone claim that TDK and Bourne Ultimatum are the best ACTION films in the last decade! This is comedy gold.

But who are you to be doubting his authoritative sources? What's your standing in the industry in comparison? ;P

 

[Angry Fork]

LOL, this is the problem with absolutism people like you. Nothing in this world is absolute. And not everything has justification for being liked.

The film was fun, the characters were interesting and everyone gets their share of action, audiences were entertained. Not every film has to have heavy plot to entertain people. The sense of camaraderie between the group was enough to provide the heart/memorable moments for the viewers.

I don't deny this (except the interesting characters bit the only interesting ones imo are Stark and Banner), but my point is for me to put Avengers on a high-tier it would've also had to have some emotional heaviness to it. Otherwise you don't feel anything. I didn't feel anything with Avengers.

Why does the action matter if there are no real stakes? If Loki wins I don't care. But I want Batman to beat Ras in BB because they spent half the movie building up development and giving you a reason to be on Batman's side. The only reason I'm on Avengers side is because Loki is absolute stereotypical boring villain with diabolical TAKE OVER THE WOOOORLD ambition and Downey is a funny guy. The charismatic nature of the Avengers is about the only thing holding that 'comradare' together.

Honestly the film would've been better if it was just Stark and Banner with fleshed out character stuff. They're the only people with chemistry and both of them becoming friends through their love of science/technology was cool. Put those 2 guys in a movie because they're the only ones worth watching.

Thor is not even a character I have no clue what he wants, why he does what he does, why he cares etc. and I've seen the Thor movie. You can't tell me he wants to break a sweat for for Natalie Portman the woman whom he had no chemistry or actual relationship with at all except 2 pretty people liking each other because they're 2 pretty people. Scarlett is nothing, the bow and arrow guy is nothing, Cap America has no reason to play nice with these people but he just does because he has nothing better to do. These characters are not interesting in the slightest. I liked Cap in the first half of his movie but I did not see that same valiant hero with a heart of gold in this one. Cap is just sort of thrown in there as the de facto leader but his new costume is goofy (old one looked awesome) and it's not believable to me that he can command authority over Stark's ego or a thunder god Thor.

Almost every scene in this movie I felt like I've seen before in some form or another just in the superhero genre alone (besides stuff like Hulk). I think you guys are raising your opinions too much based on eye candy and the fact that it wasn't a disaster as people were expecting. I'm telling you now I'm going to make a prediction: Dark Knight Rises will come out and nobody will be able to look back on Avengers the same way again (I'm no Nolan fanboy btw I shitted on Inception when people called that movie better than Matrix). You'll remember what it means to have a superhero movie that manages to balance both action and emotion and why it makes a movie so much better when you can do both (this is the reason Terminator 2 is god-tier of action films).

 

[soundscream]

Ok, I'm gonna have to say something here because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Dialogue? Really? Could it be that you're actually serious here?

Pacing I "get" seeing as TDK was constant climax and that bums some people out. Though that means very little when confronted with Avengers terrible first act.

As for action, well, let's just say there's a reason Sight & Sound, being the authority in the industry that they are, called TDK and Bourne Ultimatum the best action films of the decade. Which doesn't mean Avengers doesn't have awesome action. But it's, at the very least, highly debatable... Personally I much preffer the gritty TDK action to the Avengers glossier take, but it's one of those things where there's really no best, just different types of good.

I don't deny this (except the interesting characters bit the only interesting ones imo are Stark and Banner), but my point is for me to put Avengers on a high-tier it would've also had to have some emotional heaviness to it. Otherwise you don't feel anything. I didn't feel anything with Avengers.

Why does the action matter if there are no real stakes? If Loki wins I don't care. But I want Batman to beat Ras in BB because they spent half the movie building up development and giving you a reason to be on Batman's side. The only reason I'm on Avengers side is because Loki is absolute stereotypical boring villain with diabolical TAKE OVER THE WOOOORLD ambition and Downey is a funny guy. The charismatic nature of the Avengers is about the only thing holding that 'comradare' together.

Honestly the film would've been better if it was just Stark and Banner with fleshed out character stuff. They're the only people with chemistry and both of them becoming friends through their love of science/technology was cool. Put those 2 guys in a movie because they're the only ones worth watching.

Thor is not even a character I have no clue what he wants, why he does what he does, why he cares etc. and I've seen the Thor movie. You can't tell me he wants to break a sweat for for Natalie Portman the woman whom he had no chemistry or actual relationship with at all except 2 pretty people liking each other because they're 2 pretty people. Scarlett is nothing, the bow and arrow guy is nothing, Cap America has no reason to play nice with these people but he just does because he has nothing better to do. These characters are not interesting in the slightest. I liked Cap in the first half of his movie but I did not see that same valiant hero with a heart of gold in this one. Cap is just sort of thrown in there as the de facto leader but his new costume is goofy (old one looked awesome) and it's not believable to me that he can command authority over Stark's ego or a thunder god Thor.

Almost every scene in this movie I felt like I've seen before in some form or another just in the superhero genre alone (besides stuff like Hulk). I think you guys are raising your opinions too much based on eye candy and the fact that it wasn't a disaster as people were expecting. I'm telling you now I'm going to make a prediction: Dark Knight Rises will come out and nobody will be able to look back on Avengers the same way again (I'm no Nolan fanboy btw I shitted on Inception when people called that movie better than Matrix). You'll remember what it means to have a superhero movie that manages to balance both action and emotion and why it makes a movie so much better when you can do both (this is the reason Terminator 2 is god-tier of action films).

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

My silly entertainment is better than your silly entertainment.

No different from watching a sports even IMO. People tend to make allegiances, which is completely human, fine, and actually fun to an extent.

No I think they would just be destroyed. By logic.

Lol.

 

[Risette]

Someone should make a thread arguing that Avengers has terrible action sequences when compared to TDK. It would destroy neogaf from within.

It would be a pretty one-sided argument because Nolan is downright incompetent when it comes to staging, shooting, and editing action scenes.

 

[Xplatformer]

A) It's a fine balance between realism and fantasy. If a billionaire as a caped vigilante isnt fantasy then the elements in the movies (vaporizer, cellphone sonar, dooms day device etc) are.
B) IMO it's fine, despite the GAF hate.
C) +1 Nolan, fuck Robin.

lol. its not just GAF bate. what Nolan did to Batman's voice is universally panned.

 

[Oxigen_Waste]

Avengers is anything but soulless. The plot is just as relevant as that of any of the Batman flicks. Considering pacing, it is widely accepted that TDK has a very bad final 1/3rd, especially when compared to BB. And speaking of the action. The main critique of Nolan films to date, has been the lack luster composition of his action scenes. Which he should hopefully work to improve with his new DK flick coming this summer.

? Where are you getting this from? Superhero team kills aliens is just as relevant as a man's struggle between his sense of honour/integrity and his emotions? Jesus, how glossed out are you? Live in the real world, much?

Also Widely accepted by whom? The industry worships the bloody film, the man is quickly becoming THE unanimous reference when it comes to the standard of tension and action. Where are you getting this from? He's every cinematic authority's wet dream when it comes to the comeback of the golden blockbuster days. Hell, he's the ONLY action director since T2 came out to even manage to get any praise out of S&S.

Hey don't get in the way of my entertainment. I'm reading someone claim that TDK and Bourne Ultimatum are the best ACTION films in the last decade! This is comedy gold.

You're not reading someone claim, you're reading someone quote the most respected authority in the world on the matter.

 

[Oxigen_Waste]

lol. its not just GAF bate. what Nolan did to Batman's voice is universally panned.

True. Fucking sucks so much.

 

[duckroll]

For the record. I fucking love Nolan. But it is impossible to deny that he has serious issues with handling actual action. He can do practical effects pretty well, like the truck flip and the explosions, but when it comes to actual characters being engaged in a form of moving action and knowing how to track and frame the shot, he sux donkey nads.

 

[kswiston]

Just got back from a party, looks like my schedule for tomorrow is open so I might watch this tomorrow.

As for the BO, latest update from Nikkie Finke (deadline.com) is that today's gross is 60-64M with the weekend projection at 175-179M. However, she lowballed yesterday's figures, initially started with 67M and the final tally ended up at 80.5M. The source that said 80M before the official figures from Disney were released is saying that today's total is closer to 70M. That means 200M is very possible with a normal Sunday drop. Hang tight folks ..

Nikki is horrible at predicting weekend multipliers. If you take her low-end number you get 140.5M for the Avengers in 2 days. According to her, she is expecting 175M total on the low end. That is a 34.5M Sunday, which would be a 43% drop from Saturday. Now lets look at the Sunday drops of other Marvel movies releases on the same weekend during the past 5 years:

Spider-man 3 - 22%
Iron Man - 30%
X-men Origins: Wolverine - 27%
Iron Man 2 - 32%
Thor - 27%

So basically, comic book movies have had drops in the high 20s or low 30s (with the exception of Spider-man 3 which had a really soft drop), but Nikki thinks the Avengers will drop an extra 10% on its Sunday. Despite her own Saturday estimate suggesting that there was little to no drop from Saturday to Sunday (just like every other early May Marvel film in the past 5 years).

Even with a 60M Saturday, there is no way the weekend number will be under 180M.

 

[Fantomex]

? Where are you getting this from? Superhero team kills aliens is just as relevant as a man's struggle between his sense of honour/integrity and his emotions? Jesus, how glossed out are you? Live in the real world, much?

Also Widely accepted by whom? The industry worships the bloody film, the man is quickly becoming THE unanimous reference when it comes to the standard of tension and action. Where are you getting this from? He's every cinematic authority's wet dream when it comes to the comeback of the golden blockbuster days. Hell, he's the ONLY action director since T2 came out to even manage to get any praise out of S&S.



You're not reading someone claim, you're reading someone quote the most respected authority in the world on the matter.

How come TDK wasn't nominated for an Oscar then?

 

[TacticalFox88]

For something completely off topic, sorta, for Physics and Engineer GAF, how feasible do you think it'd be for the US military (With some serious funding obviously) to buil the

Spoiler

helicarrier

EXACTLY (or as close as possible) as shown in the film?

 

[crimsonspider89]

Your missing the plot of the Avengers. Can these flawed but gifted individuals rise above there own flaws and unite to defeat a great threat? A direct reflect of the human spirit. That is the true plot if you paid attention to the movie.

 

[Dresden]

You're not reading someone claim, you're reading someone quote the most respected authority in the world on the matter.

 

[Spotless Mind]

Rather than try and mask its inherently cheesy comic roots and try to justify everything in a didactic fashion (ala The Dark Knight), The Avengers revels in its silliness. That's what makes it so much more appealing to me.

 

[artist]

lol. its not just GAF bate. what Nolan did to Batman's voice is universally panned.

Like always, personal anecdote = FACT/UNIVERSAL.

Btw, I'm loving the attacks on TDK/Nolan-Batman in here.

 

[Raitosaito]

For the record. I fucking love Nolan. But it is impossible to deny that he has serious issues with handling actual action. He can do practical effects pretty well, like the truck flip and the explosions, but when it comes to actual characters being engaged in a form of moving action and knowing how to track and frame the shot, he sux donkey nads.

That's because the guy doesn't storyboard, and he even stated himself in a DGA interview he doesn't need to since he supposedly has it all in his head.

No matter how good your memory is or your vision is, shooting usually only what you need for the editing room when it comes to action usually cause a lot of problems. Especially when editing for action, shooting on a whim of what you think will look good isn't a good idea. Nolan is too stuck in his ways at this point though.

 

[DMczaf]

Rather than try and mask its inherently cheesy comic roots and try to justify everything in a didactic fashion (ala The Dark Knight), The Avengers revels in its silliness. That's what makes it so much more appealing to me.

Last time Batman "reveled in it's silliness", the franchise died for 8 years.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

? Where are you getting this from? Superhero team kills aliens is just as relevant as a man's struggle between his sense of honour/integrity and his emotions? Jesus, how glossed out are you? Live in the real world, much?

The avengers is about an alien invasion, about as much as TDK is about a grown man in a batsuit, with bat ears, fighting a man wearing make-up on his face.
The avengers is about a group of characters, from different worlds, different times, different ages, coming together to battle a foe that is beyond all of them. Overcoming their inherent differences, accepting each others limitations and learning from each other. I'd say that's relevant. It teaches it's audience the core values of friendships and team and group dynamics. I'd much easier believe that my kids, if I had any, would learn more from watching the avengers than most other superhero films.

Also Widely accepted by whom? The industry worships the bloody film, the man is quickly becoming THE unanimous reference when it comes to the standard of tension and action. Where are you getting this from? He's every cinematic authority's wet dream when it comes to the comeback of the golden blockbuster days. Hell, he's the ONLY action director since T2 came out to even manage to get any praise out of S&S.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

But it is impossible to deny that he has serious issues with handling actual action.

agreed. and it's interesting...the action in Batman Begins was fantastic. it felt real. like a guy just learning how to fulfill this new role of being Batman.

the action in TDK was...bad. Or, the concepts were great, but the follow-through was weak.

 

[artist]

Last time Batman "reveled in it's silliness", the franchise died for 8 years.

Oh you, let the guys have some fun.

 

[Oxigen_Waste]

How come TDK wasn't nominated for an Oscar then?

For the record. I fucking love Nolan. But it is impossible to deny that he has serious issues with handling actual action. He can do practical effects pretty well, like the truck flip and the explosions, but when it comes to actual characters being engaged in a form of moving action and knowing how to track and frame the shot, he sux donkey nads.

Ah, so that's what this is about. You guys preffer glossy action? oO

I see. Given the movie of the year results I expected most of GAF to be grounded. I understand now I'm just on the wrong thread, then.

 

[kswiston]

For something completely off topic, sorta, for Physics and Engineer GAF, how feasible do you think it'd be for the US military (With some serious funding obviously) to buil the

Spoiler

helicarrier

EXACTLY (or as close as possible) as shown in the film?

The heaviest flying machine ever built was 250 tonnes. An aircraft carrier is closer to 100 000 tonnes.

 

[Angry Fork]

Your missing the plot of the Avengers. Can these flawed but gifted individuals rise above there own flaws and unite to defeat a great threat? A direct reflect of the human spirit. That is the true plot if you paid attention to the movie.

This is not executed at all. The only reason they decided to play well was because of the death of that Agent guy who nobody cared about before but now suddenly the audience is supposed to care because he had bloody training cards.

Before his death, everyone was raging and separated, after his death suddenly Cap America is the leader without his thoughts on the matter, nobody asks what happened with the bow and arrow guy and who he is he just enters the group without a problem, no reason why Banner comes back he just does perhaps he wanted to apologize for hulking out earlier who knows, Stark is cool he does good things because he's good, Scarlett is a paid mercenary/spy by the government so as far as she's concerned she's risking her life for a paycheck and continued future paychecks, Thor probably just wants to beat up his brother.

There is no common thread in any of that. There's nothing there that unifies them except the destruction of the world (which is obviously a big motivator, but that's not the big emotional 'learning' process you're implying). It's all a bunch of random people that come together for no reason at all other than so the audience can see them all together. And once they're done showing off their skills they go their separate ways again.

 

[duckroll]

Ah, so that's what this is about. You guys preffer glossy action? oO

It's not about "glossy action" but comprehensible action. Casino Royale is what I would consider one of the better action films in the decade in terms of actual -action- scenes. The staging is important, the cinematography is important. You need to be able to SEE the action and appreciate the choreography. If the camera is zoomed in all the time and shakes everywhere, and it's IN YOUR FACE or whatever, that's not gritty action, it's just shit action. No one can see anything, no one cares. See: Quantum of Solace's opening scene. Pile of dogshit.

 

[crimsonspider89]

It won the oscar due to Health's untimely demise. Tragic but the movie was nowhere as good as people claim. The emotional factor of his death made the movie appear better than it was. Reason why people have done a 360 a couple years later, the shock has wore off.

NOTE: Heath did an AMAZING job. But TDK was overrated due to his death.

EDIT: Uhhhh.... the death of a character who was shown to believe in the concept of heroes and the display of the trading cards had nothing to do with them uniting? Riiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt. And pay attention to the dialogue, Natasha mentioned Clint all the time and the reason he came was due to he could pilot the jet and Cap saw his ability and took over. Cap was the veteran on the team during wartime eras. Thor may have fought plenty but he isn't exactly shown as being a tactician though.

 

[Zeliard]

It won the oscar due to Health's untimely demise. Tragic but the movie was nowhere as good as people claim. The emotional factor of his death made the movie appear better than it was. Reason why people have done a 360 a couple years later, the shock has wore off.

NOTE: Heath did an AMAZING job. But TDK was overrated due to his death.

The only Oscar TDK won outside of sound editing was for Heath, and he fully deserved it.

 

[Hero]

I don't deny this (except the interesting characters bit the only interesting ones imo are Stark and Banner), but my point is for me to put Avengers on a high-tier it would've also had to have some emotional heaviness to it. Otherwise you don't feel anything. I didn't feel anything with Avengers.

Why does the action matter if there are no real stakes? If Loki wins I don't care. But I want Batman to beat Ras in BB because they spent half the movie building up development and giving you a reason to be on Batman's side. The only reason I'm on Avengers side is because Loki is absolute stereotypical boring villain with diabolical TAKE OVER THE WOOOORLD ambition and Downey is a funny guy. The charismatic nature of the Avengers is about the only thing holding that 'comradare' together.

Honestly the film would've been better if it was just Stark and Banner with fleshed out character stuff. They're the only people with chemistry and both of them becoming friends through their love of science/technology was cool. Put those 2 guys in a movie because they're the only ones worth watching.

Thor is not even a character I have no clue what he wants, why he does what he does, why he cares etc. and I've seen the Thor movie. You can't tell me he wants to break a sweat for for Natalie Portman the woman whom he had no chemistry or actual relationship with at all except 2 pretty people liking each other because they're 2 pretty people. Scarlett is nothing, the bow and arrow guy is nothing, Cap America has no reason to play nice with these people but he just does because he has nothing better to do. These characters are not interesting in the slightest. I liked Cap in the first half of his movie but I did not see that same valiant hero with a heart of gold in this one. Cap is just sort of thrown in there as the de facto leader but his new costume is goofy (old one looked awesome) and it's not believable to me that he can command authority over Stark's ego or a thunder god Thor.

Almost every scene in this movie I felt like I've seen before in some form or another just in the superhero genre alone (besides stuff like Hulk). I think you guys are raising your opinions too much based on eye candy and the fact that it wasn't a disaster as people were expecting. I'm telling you now I'm going to make a prediction: Dark Knight Rises will come out and nobody will be able to look back on Avengers the same way again (I'm no Nolan fanboy btw I shitted on Inception when people called that movie better than Matrix). You'll remember what it means to have a superhero movie that manages to balance both action and emotion and why it makes a movie so much better when you can do both (this is the reason Terminator 2 is god-tier of action films).

You gave a fuck about Batman triumphing over Ras who wanted to burn down Gothamn in Begins but didn't feel compelled at all with the stakes in Avengers? Considering the whole planet was going to be invaded by an alien race, I don't even follow the logic there at all. Even if you compare it to just Gotham vs NYC, one of those is a completely fictional cesspool of corruption and the other is a genuine, real city. Not to mention you're missing the whole point of Avengers which was all these characters coming together to form a team that was capable of overcoming obstacles and threats that none of them could handle alone.

Worst post in this thread, by far.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Nikki has updated to $68+m. Let the march to $70m actuals begin!!!!

 

[DMczaf]

It won the oscar due to Health's untimely demise. Tragic but the movie was nowhere as good as people claim. The emotional factor of his death made the movie appear better than it was. Reason why people have done a 360 a couple years later, the shock has wore off.

NOTE: Heath did an AMAZING job. But TDK was overrated due to his death.

So they still love it? Cool.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Deadline reports Avengers on track for 185+:

My sources say in North America what’s billed as the ‘Superhero Team-Up Of A Lifetime’ is looking at a record $68+M for Saturday after making $80.5M Friday (including $18.7M midnights) from 4,349 U.S. and Canadian locations, including 3,364 plays in 3D. It’s still on track to shatter the domestic weekend opening record with $185+M. (Warner Bros’ 3D Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows Part 2 finale used to hold that record with $169M.) Disney will report international numbers on Sunday but the worldwide total is already $575+M after playing almost everywhere around the globe for the past 10 days including Russia and now China. I can tell you that Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye) went to the Beijing Film Festival to help introduce the film. One more thing to keep in mind: Avengers still has a massive foreign number without opening yet in the major market of Japan. Refined numbers in the morning…

 

[Tobor]

Deadline is reporting a confirmed $185+M. The record is secure, folks.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/ave...sunday-with-u-s-canada-russia-china-openings/

 

[duckroll]

Honestly, I'm not really interesting in defending against the arguments that the stakes were shit in Avengers because I agree they were. They did a poor job of making the threat feel real, but it seemed like they didn't really care by then. The threat wasn't the alien army but rather what would happen if no one bothered to stop them. We basically KNOW the Avengers can stop them, because they're cannon fodder shit. They look like it, they act like it, and the show never convinces us otherwise. That was one area the movie could really have improved on.