I don't know, due to Ledger's death and his supposedly amazing performance TDK had a hype train going for over half a year before it's release.
This time, well, not even close.
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I don't know, due to Ledger's death and his supposedly amazing performance TDK had a hype train going for over half a year before it's release.
This time, well, not even close.
A huge success and one that I would never, EVER have seen coming. seriously if someone would have guessed that Avengers would make $200m in it's first three days I'd have dismissed them out of hand.
This business mang....., I don't know.
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At least point it feels like MIB3 will be lucky to make $200m in it's ENTIRE US run at the box office.
This business mang....., I don't know.
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At least point it feels like MIB3 will be lucky to make $200m in it's ENTIRE US run at the box office.
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PhoncipleBone
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So what kind of avatar and name will you be given if it does not do those numbers? It's not like you appear like a viral marketer for TDKR already. Maybe changing your avatar to Captain America from that shitty early 90s movie if you lose this.
Yup. It has two numbers to overtake. I think TDKR will open huge, but overall will still be lower domestic total than Dark Knight. As many have said, it does not have the elephant in the room about Ledger's death to boost it.
Manmademan
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I don't really care who owns marvel as long as they don't interfere editorially with content, and it looks like Disney has been pretty hands off.
Agreed, and BATTLESHIP is going to get steamrolled by Avengers- and Hard. That film has a massive marketing budget and NO ONE hyped to see it.
There was already massive amounts of hype for TDK by this time before release. You can't say that Ledgers death had no impact on the interest for most moviegoers.
The Elite
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The problem with this is that people would have to actually be invested in Batman's story for it to be that type of event. As fantastic as The Dark Knight was, Batman was the least interesting part of that film and he's the big component tying the franchise together.
I loved TDK for the Dent/Gordon storyline and thought Ledger's unique portrayal of the Joker was inspired. It stands well on its own but there is no over-arcing story at work here besides the tacked on "Batman is now wanted for murder" stuff that was added on at the end of TDK.
No doubt audiences are going to be checking this out but there really is no Lord of the Rings style story at play here.
Messypandas
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I respect WB for not forcing Nolans hand in the matter. It is buckets of free money they've turned down for the quality of the experience. As amazing as Avengers was, the 3D was absolutely worthless.
Sure don't mind the avatar bet. I'm not hating on the Avengers one bit. I actually am a big fan and saw it on the 4/16 selected screenings and saw it again this weekend. We the fans are the ones who are winning since we get these 2 films in the span on 2 ffreakiin months. I really do believe DKR will get that number though. Even possible a $100 million on OPENING DAY
Too bad we don't get admission numbers for America, that'd be interesting to see.
And there's already massive amounts of hype for TDKR by this time before release. And I never said Ledger's death had no impact, where did you get that?
I'm saying people are forgetting what the hype for TDK was like back in May 2008. People were hyped but never thought it would break opening weekend records or even be the #1 movie of the year at that point.
Now people are not invested in Batman's story? Come on now. The second TDK ended, all the speculation went to a sequel of how Batman would redeem himself.
The Elite
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Avatar quote.
I stand by my statement. I don't think it was Batman's story that people came out of TDK loving.
I'm glad the Avenger's is doing well so far. I just hope this brings more recognition to Enver Gjokaj. He's seriously an amazing character actor. (You'd need to watch both seasons of Dollhouse just to see how he nails Topher like Fran Kranz does Topher himself)
Even if it's a bit part, I want him to be getting more recognition/work.
Even if it's a bit part, I want him to be getting more recognition/work.
ViewtifulJC
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If Good Job Bob liked it, we're done. We're all fucking done. 2012 apocalypse CONFIRMED
TheKaeptain
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Nolan don't give a shit about money. He wants to make his own movies. Guy is his own man. Joss will never have the pull (or balls) Nolan has.
Messypandas
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I respectfully disagree on the matter. Batman Begins was a pretty humanising look into the Bruce Wayne/Batman archetype. And this one is modelled very closely on that (however i agree he was under-utilised in TDK).
The interesting dynamic at play here is that people genuinely don't know if Batman is going to live or die at the end of this film. The fact that Nolan is even entertaining that notion is enough to pique an interest in this film and get butts on seats. how many comic-book movie arcs have definitive closure?
Im thinking that the dark knight rises will also be a monster hit. But I echo what others said: It doesn't have the 3D premiums/cheat that the avengers had. TDKR will probably make about 180 million. Still a crazy amount. And it's still prob gonna be a great film. What I'm interested is in the legs for the Avengers. How it will fare through these next few weeks
Even right before opening day the predictions were nowhere close to the 158m it ended up grossing.
You never know, really. I have little doubt that TDKR will break TDK's opening weekend but the Avengers's is an uphill battle.
MrPink93485
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Hollywood's great effort to keep us enamored with records as opposed to declining unit sales.
I still think TDKR can do 180-190 million OW. With summer weekdays, it could still match the Avengers in total domestically.
The Elite
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Even when Joss is a huge success, people find a way to twist it.
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I agree with you on Begins. Batman was a well established character and I was absolutely enthralled with his story. I think they lost a lot of that with TDK though. I think Nolan does have a lot to play with when it comes to the Batman live or die stuff at the end of TDKR.
But it was his story that had people interested in a sequel.
Lionel Mandrake
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Yeah, I remember I got a call when I was working in a loading dock.
"I've got bad news."
"What?"
"TDK sold out for the midnight release tonight."
"What?! Seriously? It's like noon."
"Yeah, man sorry. I'm at the theater right now, they're completely out."
Then a few minutes later...
"Dude, they're opening up more theaters! I'll get all of our tickets for us!"
I've never been to a crazier opening night.
planar1280
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Thats true. Whedon's movie are about fun and entertainment with some laughs. Nolan is all about messing with the audience viewer with a multilayered storyline.
Manmademan
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Seconded. Ledger and his Joker was the best thing about TDK, and every news outlet from Good morning america to Oprah were running stories on it for months leading up to the film.
TDKR doesn't have that benefit- and to make things worse, the months leading up to it will be full of talk about how great Avengers *IS*, and how it's smashing/has smashed box office records, and not so much about how TDKR *will be*.
I like how Avengers spiced up the BO wars.
Many of us predicted cray records for TDKR till last week. Now, the whole situation has flipped over itself, and it seems like Avengers might be the biggest film of the summer.
Still, it will be interesting when TDKR comes out and see how it does. fun times we live in, BO folks!
Many of us predicted cray records for TDKR till last week. Now, the whole situation has flipped over itself, and it seems like Avengers might be the biggest film of the summer.
Still, it will be interesting when TDKR comes out and see how it does. fun times we live in, BO folks!
PhoncipleBone
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I was in total agreement until the $100 million opening day. It is tough to predict what TDKR will do. It has the hype train of being the finale to a well received series, and coming off one of the most loved and successful blockbusters of the last decade. It is lacking some of the mystery and hype around the villain's performance like Heath Ledger had though. That is the wildcard.
Okay, I will make that bet with you. I bet that TDKR does not make $100 Million in a single day.
shira
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Do you think he has carte Blanche to make an inception of his own now with his pick of Oscar nominees?
TDKR will break DH2 $169 million and everyone thought that would be enough since no other film in 2012 was going to top that. I thought even if The Avengers broke $169M it would be in the mid $170's and TDKR would still top it. However $200M+ makes the road much tougher. I won't count TDKR out.
Hot Coldman
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Nolan: Oh, I thought the beast had run off?
Whedon: Yeah, with the box office! Lololololol
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Finally, Whedon gets his break.
Hopefully this will mean he gets his blank check.
Whedon has so far given me the two best cinema experiences of the year. One of which was the single best cinema experience I have ever had.
Hopefully this will mean he gets his blank check.
Whedon has so far given me the two best cinema experiences of the year. One of which was the single best cinema experience I have ever had.
Nah man, people don't care about Batman's story. Hell, people don't care about Batman at all! Shit, nobody likes TDK anymore. Actually, nobody liked TDK to begin with!
BTW this "argument" about people not going to see TDKR because they don't care about the story is even more moronic when you take into consideration that Avengers barely has a story to begin with.
The Elite
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Exactly, The box office is completely blowing my mind this year. It's not out of the realm of possibility for TDKR to beat this.
What Avengers has going for it is the spectacle of all these heroes from different films - united. Something that hasn't been done before.
TheKaeptain
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Again he isn't the reason people went to see The Avengers. Call me when he makes an original IP released in the summer that grosses $292,576,195. It will never happen.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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DM is exactly on the mark here. It wasn't until a couple weeks before release that the possibility of it breaking the OW record was even being tossed around.
planar1280
Banned
more likely TDKR performance will be:
35 Million Midnight, 80 Million Friday
60 Million Saturday
45 Million Sunday
I see Avengers getting around 380-450 million total domestic while TDKR getting between 450-500 million.
Overall I think Avengers will make around 1.4 Billion due to overseas while TDKR will be around 1.2 Billion
It probably won't but it will be in the ballpark. I'd take the bet for the $215-225 though
Edit: I'll take the $100 million opening day bet
Oh please..... give me a freaking break. Next to noone thought this guy could deliver with this movie. Then he goes out and sets the opening record, and all of a sudden its "nothing" because its not a new IP.
He isn't the main reason but he is the reason they loved it and it has gotten amazing WoM. I know you will just give all the credit to Feige.
They have to put those goalposts somewhere.
Diprosalic
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at least let him try and way to be unfair, this sort of comic book movies is whedons strength. he lives and dies for this shit. nolan on the other hand made batman a non super hero flick, a very good one at that.
He isn't the reason anyone went to see the film, but he sure as hell is one of the main reasons why the film is as good as it is.
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