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Well, Japan does play Marvel, just its scene isn't taken very seriously despite having some of the best players.

But yeah, SFIV has the name recognition which gets more international talent.

The models and the overall turtle type style of SFIV makes me hate it though.

EDIT: What no Thanos, Loki? You would probably like those two.
 
crimsonspider89 said:
But yeah, SFIV has the name recognition which gets more international talent.
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I'd be more inclined to agree if you mentioned that MvC3 got handicapped by not being released in arcades, but I have a hard time accepting that SF has more name recognition than Marvel which has had 5 blockbusters.
 
Chavelo said:
That "Red Shirt" is called KOF XIII, sir. Show some goddamn respect.
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Wow...

WesternHeretic said:
Mai > Chun Li. Yes I just went there... red shirt = totally worth it!
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NOPE and YUP.

sephi22 said:
An all-marvel fighting game from Niitsuma would be the shit. I'd buy a Wii U for it. If it weren't for MvC3, I'd never know about the bawss that is the dread Dormammu
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More like "would be shit."

crimsonspider89 said:
Well, Japan does play Marvel, just its scene isn't taken very seriously despite having some of the best players.
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They accurately call it a "shit game."

Seriousness: -100%
 
They refer to all fast paced games as those FYI.

Well choice between Nitsuma or Ono.

Will take Nitsuma. At least his shit can be broken and fun.

Ono's can be broken and not fun or just horrendous to look at.
 
crimsonspider89 said:
Well, Japan does play Marvel, just its scene isn't taken very seriously despite having some of the best players.

But yeah, SFIV has the name recognition which gets more international talent.

The models and the overall turtle type style of SFIV makes me hate it though.

EDIT: What no Thanos, Loki? You would probably like those two.
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I fall in love by aesthetics. This is Loki:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/l_1d/loki.gif

Everything about that wardrobe just says "no" to me.

Thanos looks like a gorilla in a suit:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Thanos.png

And there's something about his octouple butt-chin that really bothers me.

Edit: They both have yellow on, too...I hate yellow.

sleepykyo said:
I'd be more inclined to agree if you mentioned that MvC3 got handicapped by not being released in arcades, but I have a hard time accepting that SF has more name recognition than Marvel which has had 5 blockbusters.
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Those are movies. Street Fighter is a classic game millions of nerds grew up on. Movies influence game purchases and vice versa, but they're always the bigger impactor within their own category.
 
I can't speak about the rest of the World, but in India, Pakistan and the Middle East, Marvel is pretty low key.

India: Huge Tekken scene. Everyone has played a Tekken at least once, but 95% people are terrible at it (myself included). Low SF4 scene, and the top players would be free to regular tourney placers in US. Marvels pretty much non-existent

Pakistan: Through my interactions with online players, there's seems to be an even split between Sf4 and Tekken. Kof is next. Marvels not taken seriously so very few Marvel players

Middle East: SF4 seems to be the most popular game currently. A lot of players, many of them really good. Marvel has a smaller, but still healthy scene.
 
i'm sure the people who are really going to evo to play kof aren't going to be complaining about people only signing up for the shirt since it means the pot will be bigger for them.
 
Karsticles said:
There's more competition for SFIV for two big reasons, IMO:
1) It has huge name recognition. It's Street Fighter! That alone gives it a huge boost in popularity. Japan has never really taken the Marvel series seriously, which is more indicative of differing tastes than game quality.
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Oh, it's an indication of quality alright.

Let's get this straight right away, Marvel vs Capcom 3 and its upgrade Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 are not viewed as good fighters in Japan.
They fall squarely into the kusoge camp.
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This mentality is 100% in opposition to most of the American Marvel scene and unfortunately leads to the obvious conclusion:
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 is a terrible game.
Not only that, it is a terrible "anime" game, because we are somehow losing not to a legitimate player like Tokido fighting on our terms with our tech, but an illegitimate player like Kusoru fighting on his own terms with his own tech.
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crimsonspider89 said:
They refer to all fast paced games as those FYI.

Well choice between Nitsuma or Ono.

Will take Nitsuma. At least his shit can be broken and fun.

Ono's can be broken and not fun or just horrendous to look at.
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A choice between Niitsuma or Ono?
Ugh... when is Seth Killian getting that godlike promotion from Capcom?

I would go with Ono, since Niitsuma did TvC, TvC 2.0, MvC2.5, and MvC2.75, but he betrayed me, so I'm done with both of those cats.
 
Ummmm.... Kusoru actually is a really good player. He won GG as well and does extremely well in GG. So to mock him like that implies he has no ability which it is the opposite.
 
smurfx said:
i'm sure the people who are really going to evo to play kof aren't going to be complaining about people only signing up for the shirt since it means the pot will be bigger for them.
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Smurfx, you forgot the key: there's something that could potentially be complained about. Therefore, it shall be complained about!

Conceited said:
Oh, it's an indication of quality alright.
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It's really bothersome to have to explain why this isn't actually a response to my claim. I don't think I want to, I'll leave it to you to figure out.
 
sephi22 said:
Pakistan: Through my interactions with online players, there's seems to be an even split between Sf4 and Tekken. Kof is next. Marvels not taken seriously so very few Marvel players
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For fighting games... last I checked it was all aobut KOF98.
 
Come on guys, lets not try to take away anything from either game. SF4 is popular because most people playing it actually like it. Yes, people actually like the game regardless of how ass it might be to some of you guys. The same goes for Marvel 3. I've heard so much shit talk about that game as well, but people still love it regardless. Each brings there own level of hype and excitement to the community. Marvel is highlighted with a lot of yelling and going crazy because there is never a dull moment. SF on the other hand has people watching more quietly and anxious. They're holding there breath and waiting to explode with roars when the big moments of the match comes. That's how I see both games and I love that there audiences(even with a lot of overlap) react differently during the matches.
 
Aww shit. I just imagined what an MvC-style SF vs MK game produced by Niitsuma would be like. My brain just exploded.

Scorpion would do an air combo, land, call in sub-zero slide assist for OTG, combo into Spear, raw tag while the opponent is reeling, freeze the opponent, then go for a combo/reset.

HNNNGGGG....
 
Street Fighter IV is popular because it's THE international fighting game.
Despite Ultra(s), it's a good game. (It ain't no 3S though)

If you think the name is the reason why it's successful, then go ahead and believe that shit.
 
would be cool if capcom would throw 25k to both ae and marvel and make it the most hyped evo ever. many of the top players would stop being nice and try and destroy each other. well at least top 8 would and i'm sure top 3 might end up splitting. although they would still try very hard to win since being evo champion still means something.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Come on guys, lets not try to take away anything from either game. SF4 is popular because most people playing it actually like it. Yes, people actually like the game regardless of how ass it might be to some of you guys. The same goes for Marvel 3. I've heard so much shit talk about that game as well, but people still love it regardless. Each brings there own level of hype and excitement to the community. Marvel is highlighted with a lot of yelling and going crazy because there is never a dull moment. SF on the other hand has people watching more quietly and anxious. They're holding there breath and waiting to explode with roars when the big moments of the match comes. That's how I see both games and I love that there audiences(even with a lot of overlap) react differently during the matches.
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SF4 just has a much lower barrier of entry than Marvel. A lot of people just can't keep up with MvC3's pace, so you get more entrants for SF4, but MvC3 is the more popular spectator game.
 
Karsticles said:
It's really bothersome to have to explain why this isn't actually a response to my claim. I don't think I want to, I'll leave it to you to figure out.
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Errr...what? You said Japan has never really taken Marvel seriously not because of quality but because of taste, but here I am showing you that Japan thinks the game is shit and unworthy of being classified as a real fighting game.

How is that not a measure of quality?
 
The ease of entry(AKA the overly defensive style that a LOT of people complain about) and the name. I enjoy trolling my little brother when he tried to be reckless and mash by just going poke and AA then Ultra with Dan or slide all day everyday with Hakan. But I see the issues.

And plus the models are horrendous. Probably my biggest complaint. The models.
 
smurfx said:
would be cool if capcom would throw 25k to both ae and marvel and make it the most hyped evo ever. many of the top players would stop being nice and try and destroy each other. well at least top 8 would and i'm sure top 3 might end up splitting. although they would still try very hard to win since being evo champion still means something.
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Splitting only happens when you play someone you know pretty well. Highly doubt that will happen especially since the last 3 three yeas has been USA vs Japan in the finals.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Come on guys, lets not try to take away anything from either game. SF4 is popular because most people playing it actually like it. Yes, people actually like the game regardless of how ass it might be to some of you guys. The same goes for Marvel 3. I've heard so much shit talk about that game as well, but people still love it regardless. Each brings there own level of hype and excitement to the community. Marvel is highlighted with a lot of yelling and going crazy because there is never a dull moment. SF on the other hand has people watching more quietly and anxious. They're holding there breath and waiting to explode with roars when the big moments of the match comes. That's how I see both games and I love that there audiences(even with a lot of overlap) react differently during the matches.
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Just to be clear, I like watching SFIV. I only played it for an hour rental before getting bored of it, but it's not bad to watch. SFxT doesn't even get that much love from me.

sephi22 said:
Aww shit. I just imagined what an MvC-style SF vs MK game produced by Niitsuma would be like. My brain just exploded.

Scorpion would do an air combo, land, call in sub-zero slide assist for OTG, combo into Spear, raw tag while the opponent is reeling, freeze the opponent, then go for a combo/reset.

HNNNGGGG....
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I really don't like the idea of my favorite characters getting gutted. :-/

Conceited said:
Errr...what? You said Japan has never really taken Marvel seriously not because of quality but because of taste, but here I am showing you that Japan thinks the game is shit and unworthy of being classified as a real fighting game.

How is that not a measure of quality?
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I'm not going to explain it to you, but I appreciate you going out of your way to reaffirm how I thought you were understanding me.
 
Stabby McSter said:
I think UMvC3 is easier to get into. D:
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Really? I think if you pick some random guy off the street and made him play against Daigo in SF4AE he might land a hit or two. If you pick some random dude and made him play against let say a Justin or Marlinpie in Marvel.... well let just say perfect. Or really darn close to it.

LOL this guy is killing it with the impressions.
 
UMvC3 is waaaaaay easier to get into.

It's just that you need to be able to maintain your hands while turning your brain off during dire moments, which is 90% of the match.

SFIV has links. Enough said and all about reading and predicting.
 
WesternHeretic said:
Splitting only happens when you play someone you know pretty well. Highly doubt that will happen especially since the last 3 three yeas has been USA vs Japan in the finals.
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actually i meant marvel since the top 8 will most likely be guys that know each other.

KingofSarus said:
UMvC3 is waaaaaay easier to get into.

It's just that you need to be able to maintain your hands while turning your brain off during dire moments, which is 90% of the match.

SFIV has links. Enough said and all about reading and predicting.
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stop putting down marvel just because you suck at it.
 
MvC3 is easy to learn but hard to master.

SF4 is moderate to learn and moderate to master.

SF4 skll cap takes a while then levels out.Marvel's is nearly instant but then spikes extremely high.

Big difference.

EDIT: Ummm..... Marvel has even more reads and options you have to consider. Alright say I am facing Viper/beam/lockdown. I run to the skies but I face Viper/Vajira/lockdown, I become a lot more weary about going to the sky. Then predicting what your opponent will do determines what you can do. If your playing Viper, is the char going to chuck projectiles, go to the air and fish for hitconfirms, or rush at me? What can I do about that area?
 
Sf4 gives you the false idea that you're playing it right earlier than Marvel does. You can learn special, supers and basic combos in a couple of days and feel like you know all there is to know.

Marvel, on the other hand has concepts like OTGs, DHCs, assist calls, extended combos, raw tags. The first few days of mahvel would be filled with dropped combos and timeouts.

But at a higher level, when you play someone decent and 'get' what the meat and potatoes of each game are, SF will take a lot of hard work to get good at (footsies, OSs, matchups) while its relatively easier to get good or reach a intermediate level in Marvel.

TLDR: SF gives you the impression that you learnt it way easier than marvel does. Hence SF is easier to get into than marvel but way harder to master
 
kirblar said:
SF4 just has a much lower barrier of entry than Marvel. A lot of people just can't keep up with MvC3's pace, so you get more entrants for SF4, but MvC3 is the more popular spectator game.
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We don't know why more or less people don't want to play a certain game, not for a fact.I don't like playing MVC3 because I don't like the pace, not that I can't keep up with it. I also don't like it because it's a team game, it's the same reason why I won't touch KOFXIII. But if SNK wants to do a sequel to Garou, I'll definitely give it a shot.

As for Marvel being the more popular spectator game, in the US that's true. Worldwide, no, not even close. I assume that's what you meant though, but I just wanted to clarify that just in case.
 
Conceited said:
Errr...what? You said Japan has never really taken Marvel seriously not because of quality but because of taste, but here I am showing you that Japan thinks the game is shit and unworthy of being classified as a real fighting game.

How is that not a measure of quality?
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Since when did people in the US didn't consider MvC3 to be shit themselves? Doesn't change the fact that they play it and enjoy it. They have a community for the game in Japan, it's growing and people are taking the game more seriously. Obviously people in Japan will still consider the game to be shit but why does that matter?
 
SF is the harder game to master, but also the easiest to get a few hits in on a good player (which is caused by the pace of the game). I feel like there is more separation from the good players to the elite players in SF than in Marvel if that makes any sense.
 
Karsticles said:
I'm not going to explain it to you, but I appreciate you going out of your way to reaffirm how I thought you were understanding me.
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Please, enough with the arrogance. It's pathetic.

scytheavatar said:
Since when did people in the US didn't consider MvC3 to be shit themselves? Doesn't change the fact that they play it and enjoy it. They have a community for the game in Japan, it's growing and people are taking the game more seriously. Obviously people in Japan will still consider the game to be shit but why does that matter?
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My claim wasn't that it mattered, he claimed Japan didn't play Marvel due to taste, I provided evidence it was because of quality.
 
No SF is easier to master than Marvel but Marvel is easier to get into.

Marvel has more things to consider and fills the screen with so much crap that it becomes hard to figure out where to block and that is where the harder to master falls into the area.

Marvel, sure you can learn how to play in 30 minutes. But mastering, well, none of the pros playing it have mastered it TBH yet. Still do drops and make mistakes.

SFIV you have to spend about 6 hours learning the links but after learning the links, you are already extremely close to mastering the game.

EDIT: No not because quality. A cultural difference. They have trouble accepting flashy type games as serious games and even more so for games that are team based. Go look up what they call Kusoru games. They fall into high damage, high flash, and a lot of times team based as well.
 
scytheavatar said:
Since when did people in the US didn't consider MvC3 to be shit themselves? Doesn't change the fact that they play it and enjoy it. They have a community for the game in Japan, it's growing and people are taking the game more seriously. Obviously people in Japan will still consider the game to be shit but why does that matter?
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Like Conceited said, that wasn't the argument being had.

DD-11 said:
Posting a random blog article is supposed to mean something?
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Also, that many people think something is somehow supposed to transform the fact of taste into a statement of quality, as though claims of quality are not simply expressions of taste. Mind boggling.
 
crimsonspider89 said:
No SF is easier to master than Marvel but Marvel is easier to get into.

Marvel has more things to consider and fills the screen with so much crap that it becomes hard to figure out where to block and that is where the harder to master falls into the area.

Marvel, sure you can learn how to play in 30 minutes. But mastering, well, none of the pros playing it have mastered it TBH yet. Still do drops and make mistakes.

SFIV you have to spend about 6 hours learning the links but after learning the links, you are already extremely close to mastering the game.
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You're crazy. Learning links has almost nothing to do with mastering the game.
 
DD-11 said:
Posting a random blog article is supposed to mean something?
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I'm just gonna assume you don't know what Romancancel is.

Karsticles said:
Also, that many people think something is somehow supposed to transform the fact of taste into a statement of quality, as though claims of quality are not simply expressions of taste. Mind boggling.
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This is completely ridiculous, you can judge whether a game is good or not based on quantifiable factors, nothing to do with taste.
 
Conceited said:
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 is not viewed as good fighters in Japan. . . Not only that, it is a terrible "anime" game, because we are somehow losing not to a legitimate player like Tokido fighting on our terms with our tech, but an illegitimate player like Kusoru fighting on his own terms with his own tech.
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Conceited said:
Japan thinks the game is shit and unworthy of being classified as a real fighting game.
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agree

Stabby McSter said:
I'm hoping to make it to finals for KoFXIII based on the fact that a ton of people signed up for the shirt. :P
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WesternHeretic said:
Unless you're living in Meixco, China or Socal you're not getting anywhere near the finals.
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This..

This, aaaaaand....

this.
 
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