OldJadedGamer
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Sony doesn't even put their AAA teams on their own portable platform, why would they do that for someone else's system?
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April 2012 NPD Sales Results [Up3: Best selling game sold less than 236K, Kid Icarus]
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Sony doesn't even put their AAA teams on their own portable platform, why would they do that for someone else's system?
You are disappointed with the witcher 2? thats strange, the game is great
As for star wars kinect, I'll wait to get it until I get a dancing darth vader dlc
ShironRedshift
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No need to wait for Pokemon 3DS (which quite possibly won't actually make it to the US until 2014 anyway assuming that they do announce new games next year and the series goes back more towards its regular patten--that is, Gen 6 in Japan in ~Sept 2013, US in Spring 2014)--New Super Mario Bros. 2 and Animal Crossing should hopefully do the trick before that.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
But they have wasted more time for me when I needed them to though. And that mostly is what a portable game system is to me.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
So:
PSP < PS2 < Vita < Wii < DS < 3DS < 150k < PS3 < 200k < 360
Holy shit.
PSP < PS2 < Vita < Wii < DS < 3DS < 150k < PS3 < 200k < 360
Holy shit.
Reticent Rhino
Member
I'd say that April is the cruelest month, but in this industry it's pretty much every other month.
Funny thing is, Activision ended up being right about Prototype 2 "owning April." Not much of a "victory".
I'm terrified to see how poorly Dragon's Dogma is going to do.
Funny thing is, Activision ended up being right about Prototype 2 "owning April." Not much of a "victory".
I'm terrified to see how poorly Dragon's Dogma is going to do.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I was just going to say... there are very few sony portable franchises. Which is the problem in japan . In the u s the problems seem to be more systematic as the 3ds is not doing too hot either
I hate to continue the negative tone of the thread but I am really starting to get worried about the next generation.
Thats a DS game, where talking about a 3DS one.
Probably.
I think it's increasingly clear Nintendo is going to fight the portable battle alone, western support isn't there and Japanese support isn't helping much. They will have to carry the 3DS and it's looking that any dry spell is going to hurt them. I think they can manage, they'll just have to hit hard and make sure that every experience going into 3DS is not going to smartphones which they've done pretty well with so far. Hopefully they can keep something good in the channel once a month.
Metallix87
Member
Yep. This is looking pretty atrocious.
Nah they just put the DSi/DSiXL on sale so those will eat up a lot of the growth.
NSMB2 will help a bunch.
Its time to pull the plug on the DS....
Hmm If the DS sold around 100, the portable market is not so doomed.
bigtroyjon
Member
Using the 360 market share %
66K<Wii<100K
166K<PS3<200K
66K<Wii<100K
166K<PS3<200K
TheNatural
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All this stuff about smartphones, it isn't smartphones, it's price.
Anyone realize when the DS Lite came out and it took off in sales it debuted for $130?
Main SKU's of the systems on the market are a $300 system thats been out almost seven years, a $250 system that's been out six years, a $250 handheld, a $170 handheld, and Wii is $150 but is basically a legacy console now.
This wouldn't be such a bad few months if companies would have factored in price in their decision making, but it's not a decision at all. They add bigger propietary hard drives to their consoles to justify never dropping the price, when 99% of the people don't need near that much space and would be fine with a SD card, or a smaller hard drive for their digital purchases.
All these gimmicks like 3D and touch added to handhelds, when Nintendo probably could have made a killing on a reborn Game Boy brand with just one screen and no 3D with the same amount of power and a focus on digital, selling for $120 or so.
It's over their head though, there's no one to blame but themselves for this situation. A hard lesson to learn, but eventually they'll understand it when they feel it in their bottom line.
Anyone realize when the DS Lite came out and it took off in sales it debuted for $130?
Main SKU's of the systems on the market are a $300 system thats been out almost seven years, a $250 system that's been out six years, a $250 handheld, a $170 handheld, and Wii is $150 but is basically a legacy console now.
This wouldn't be such a bad few months if companies would have factored in price in their decision making, but it's not a decision at all. They add bigger propietary hard drives to their consoles to justify never dropping the price, when 99% of the people don't need near that much space and would be fine with a SD card, or a smaller hard drive for their digital purchases.
All these gimmicks like 3D and touch added to handhelds, when Nintendo probably could have made a killing on a reborn Game Boy brand with just one screen and no 3D with the same amount of power and a focus on digital, selling for $120 or so.
It's over their head though, there's no one to blame but themselves for this situation. A hard lesson to learn, but eventually they'll understand it when they feel it in their bottom line.
No Sony franchises besides Gran Turismo are even popular in Japan.
Metallix87
Member
Portable market was never really doomed. iPhone-pushing analysts were desperate to push this notion, sure, but all data we've gotten since the launch of the 3DS says otherwise.
No Pokemon on 3DS until possibly 2014 is really going to hurt them I think.
Man, Dragon's Dogma bombing would actually be quite catastrophic for Capcom if their budget and sales estimate talks are to be believed.
They might try to localize this one faster but yeah, safe bet. Gen 6 gets announced later this year, comes out fall of 2013 in Japan and early 2014 in the west.
I think they'll be fine with NSMB 2 and Animal Crossing this year and Zelda+whatever next.
outunderthestars
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I don't see it doing well here in the States....
a Master Ninja
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Had Kinect Star Wars made Christmas, regardless of quality, it had a shot of selling over 500k, easy. They really fucked up.
They have plenty of Mario and they have other things to lean on. Mostly they need those breakout titles that nobody sees coming. The ones that start a new bandwagon.
I don't think it even has a chance of not bombing. The demo is awful and it doesn't have a popular franchise name in front of it to get suckers.
Price, portability, functionality Smartphones win in all these areas. The cheapo games does not help
Sure I love my Super Mario World, but I'm perfectly fine with the dozen or so games I have on my phone that cost me a third of the price for ALL of them
Saint Gregory
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If you're terrified imagine how Capcom feels :'(
The unbelievable part is that they've tied up most of their internal teams for years to finish it while outsourcing sure money franchises like DMC.
An internally produced DMC sequel built on an upgraded version of the DMC4 engine would have been the equivalent of simply depositing cash in the bank.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
And even that one is dying off as the last versions sold the least out of any other versions of the game previously over there.
06nbarnhill
Member
DD won't be counted anyways. NPD will be virtually irrelevant for the game.
Dreams-Visions
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Few are surprised. All are disappointed.
TheNatural
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There's been games on phones for years, this isn't a new thing. The only new thing is how cool Sony and Nintendo think it is to charge a ridiculous amount for a portable game system.
GBA launched for what, $100? DS Lite, $130? Now Nintendo tried to pull $250 and dropped to $170, which is still too high and Sony is sitting at $250 and $300. The original DS or Game Boy Advance would have met the same apathy at these prices.
Nothing's changed with appeal, the only thing that has changed is Nintendo and Sony have priced themselves out of the acceptable market for handhelds. And you could make a case Sony has never been in that market from the beginning.
The same power, minus a screen, minus 3D, and Game Boy branding at $120 launch and Nintendo would have made a killing.
Metallix87
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I think, given B2&W2, we may see Gen 6 launch in Japan next Spring, and come to North America by Fall / Winter 2013.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
3DS needs a major kick in the ass outside of Japan. Nintendo has done little to help the situation basically going "look at Mario and Mario Kart!"
I really doubt it will help it too significantly. Everyone that wants to buy it will already have a DS. If they want to buy a 3DS with it, that's great, but I think that number will be fewer than most people think it will.
I really doubt it will help it too significantly. Everyone that wants to buy it will already have a DS. If they want to buy a 3DS with it, that's great, but I think that number will be fewer than most people think it will.
Sammy Samusu
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Capcom: See you next month. (laughs)
Baconsammy
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If they didn't want it to bomb, then why release a demo that shitty?
Pretty much. DS had Touch! Generations, Wii had Wii Sports/Wii Fit. If Nintendo can come up with a compelling new software title for 3DS outside its stable of existing IPs, there's nothing stopping 3DS from exploding in sales.
The alternative isn't so bad, but it'll be a GBA style success.
Just 100 k ?
Way to miss my point.
boiled goose
good with gravy
DS brand is stronger than the gameboy brand you make no sense.
Price is definitely an issue. Not just for hardware, but especially for software.
The highest game this month was under 236k, and all next month has for big games is Diablo and Max Payne. Everything else will be a holdover that should do even worse. I'm expecting really, really bad software sales outside of Diablo/MP next month.
Now, going off Capcom's expectations, only selling 100-200k would be a disaster for Dragon's Dogma anyway. But if it doesn't make the NPD top 10, I think we can safely qualify it as a catastrophe.
Have you ever used a modern smartphone? The market has been completely transformed in the past few years, no competition like this existed last generation. These things are becoming more affordable than ever as well.
As I said above, it isn't just games. It's entertainment in all its forms, and smartphones are simply doing it better these days, with a product most people in Vita's target demographic already own.
Ah. Thanks for the info. I missed the 2007-2008 part in the Chart title originally as well. I suppose for that year it made sense.
looking @Feb and @ March - i think it will sell 400k to 500
100k to 200k is something i expect from starhawk
Its nearing the fuck over for me because i dont think the ios folks can make a game that makes my ears stand on end and the Vita is 2 steps ahead of everything but 10 steps behind on the things that matter.
That and Apple is overvalued at 600 bucks a share... "Were not falling, WE'RE CRASHING!"
It will be fine.
Bending_Unit_22
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It's almost like there's a reason 5 year gens and $300 launch prices for consoles and $100-150 launch prices for handhelds had become the norm prior to this gen. Eh, what do I know, the big 3 have this thing figured out.
CadetMahoney
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So what are the chances of Sony Move-only game ever reaching top 5?
Demo actually sold me on it. Wasn't that great though, but I can see it's a good enough game for me.
Demo actually sold me on it. Wasn't that great though, but I can see it's a good enough game for me.
Although I am considering buying it used.
Well Vita just released, so bit a different situation. Next month will presumably be even lower for it with no major releases. The DS appears to be hurting the 3DS quite badly as well, I mean considering it apparently outsold the Vita this month. Although I suppose it is more profitable to continue shipping DS units right now since the 3DS is being sold at a loss. Reminds me of how the PS2 kept selling through this generation.
TheNatural
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People don't go spend $100 or more with a two year contract for $50 a month just to play games. No one goes out and says "hey should I get the new 3DS or should I lock myself into a 2 year contract." It's ridiculous.
Those using "dumbphones" in the past to play Sonic, Tetris, Pac-Man, or whatever are no different than the transition to smartphones. Sure, the capabilities are better, but the basic funadmentals of why you buy a phone and why you buy a handheld haven't changed. Handhelds were once thought to be complementary to the console big dogs, and priced as such. Now they've got it in their head they can price them the same - or even MORE for some reason.
What has changed though, is how much companies think they can charge you for games. A decade ago you could get a Mario game and a GBA for $130. Now a 3DS and a game is a cool $210. Forget inflation, especially since the economy wasn't in the crapper back then as well - thats a huge difference.
When Nintendo and Sony decide to come down a little with their prices, things will take off. Nintendo should have realized this from the beginning and should have known there's a cost with whatever gimmick they put in. You can't just price stuff whatever you want anymore and expect people to purchase it.
So it's
PSP < 50K? < Vita < DS < Wii < 100K? < 3DS < 150k < PS3 < 200k < 360
Kid Icarus at 83K means Vita is between 50-83K