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[SpeedingUptoStop]

You guys seriously thinking that Spider-man will grow stale like the Superman franchise did?

I don't see how they could, it's not as if Spiderman is a boring character to begin with.


The only way Sony loses Spiderman is if Sony as a whole company goes under. Which is far from unfeasible these days.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Truth is i think Marvel was smart to open the movie WW a week early before USA .
It help make the hype even bigger in USA IMO.

 

[artist]

I don't think anyone is crediting Whedon for opening weekend, nor should they. But seeing the ridiculous holds this week, and certainly this weekend, has to be credited to him. If this movie was Green Lantern bad, we'd be seeing Green Lantern drops.

Martin Campbell :lol

 

[JdFoX187]

Martin Campbell :lol

He gave us Mask of Zorro, Goldeneye and Casino Royale. I'll even throw out No Escape for pure campy fun. Dude should just stick to rebooting stale franchises.

 

[artist]

I don't see how they could, it's not as if Spiderman is a boring character to begin with.


The only way Sony loses Spiderman is if Sony as a whole company goes under. Which is far from unfeasible these days.

Or they could always sell it to Disney, for the right price.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Whedon deserves all the credit for the movie turning out so well. Feige deserves credit for hiring the right dude.

Yup. Feige got the right team together to pull off the seemingly impossible.

Pretty much.

A film with so many larger than life characters at once. There was so much that could have gone very, very wrong with the execution of this film.

And I am thankful that Whedon realized what he was given and knew to be as true to the source as he could be and not mold it to be something else. Like a regular Joss Whedon production. He is enough of a fanboy to give us what we have always wanted in a comic movie without putting too much of his style into it. Were there Whedonistic touches? Of course. But it was toned down enough and everything seemed in character that it worked perfectly.

 

[BertramCooper]

Yeah, but film studios can do the most insane things to hold onto rights. Sony really doesn't have a franchise in their portfolio. If ASM tanks, they'll probably wait till the last moment of the time their contract stipulates and then renew their option.

Given their current situation, it's hard to know for certain what state Sony's entertainment division will be in in a decade.

 

[artist]

He gave us Mask of Zorro, Goldeneye and Casino Royale. I'll even throw out No Escape for pure campy fun. Dude should just stick to rebooting stale franchises.

And I loved two of those. As much as I loved those movies, I called GL would stink when they announced him as the director.

 

[Good Job Bob]

The number one complaint regular people have about The Avengers is "Where the fuck is Spider-Man?"

 

[JdFoX187]

And I loved two of those. As much as I loved those movies, I called GL would stink when they announced him as the director.

He just doesn't work well with massive "epic" movies it seems like. Even his two James Bond movies were tight affairs. He tried to go bigger with Legend of Zorro and failed miserably as well.

 

[G-Fex]

The number one complaint regular people have about The Avengers is "Where the fuck is Spider-Man?"

regular people can't be this stupid.

 

[Escape Goat]

The #1 complaint used to be "It looks like TV"

 

[artist]

He just doesn't work well with massive "epic" movies it seems like. Even his two James Bond movies were tight affairs. He tried to go bigger with Legend of Zorro and failed miserably as well.

Yeah. Its a shame that dude's not working on any movie right now.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

The number one complaint regular people have about The Avengers is "Where the fuck is Spider-Man?"

Regular people know Spiderman is in The Avengers?

I was kind of under the impression that before Iron Man (2008) all of these characters (except Hulk and to an extent, Captain America) were kind of under the radar for regular folks, making them together as Avengers even further under the radar.

 

[jett]

Is $800m for an original IP a lot?

The only original IPs that have grossed more than $800m are Independence Day, Inception, Finding Nemo, The Lion King(without the re-release it doesn't make the cut), Avatar and Titanic(I guess this one's on the iffy side). Inception is btw at #30 on the all-time list.

So no, this isn't a recurrent thing. Everything else is a sequel or based on an existing property.

 

[Dany]

regular people can't be this stupid.

It is very inside baseball to know about the rights issues between marvel/disney and other film studios.

Besides that, I don't think people even know what the 'make up' of the avengers are. It isn't that far flung of a comment.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Regular people know Spiderman is in The Avengers?

I was kind of under the impression that before Iron Man (2008) all of these characters (except Hulk and to an extent, Captain America) were kind of under the radar for regular folks, making them together as Avengers even further under the radar.

No, but people know it's Marvel and I guess they just feel bringing all these heroes together in one film without Spider-Man is just sacrilegious, especially when it takes place in NY.

 

[JdFoX187]

The only original IPs that have grossed more than $800m are Independence Day, Inception, Finding Nemo, The Lion King(without the re-release it doesn't make the cut), Jurassic Park, Avatar and Titanic(I guess this one's on the iffy side). Inception is btw at #30 on the all-time list.

So no, this isn't a recurrent thing. Everything else is a sequel or based on an existing property.

Does Jurassic Park count since it was based on a book?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Apparently some of the reports/feedback from the people who work at the theatres is suggesting that a HUGE Sat could be possible and we could be looking at 110-120M second weekend. It's still early so take that with loads of salt.

If that number comes true, that is fucking insane. Shit, just getting over $100M in the second weekend is insane, but to go to $110-120M is just on another level.

Can't wait to see the actuals. Looks like this weekend will be like last, every prediction underselling the movie and it winds up way higher than anticipated.

 

[jett]

Does Jurassic Park count since it was based on a book?

You're correct sir, removed.

edit: cutting out TLK's rerelease only 5 original IPs have grossed more than 800m. I'm now even more impressed with Inception's take!

 

[artist]

If that number comes true, that is fucking insane. Shit, just getting over $100M in the second weekend is insane, but to go to $110-120M is just on another level.

Can't wait to see the actuals. Looks like this weekend will be like last, every prediction underselling the movie and it winds up way higher than anticipated.

If that comes to fruition then the third weekend record is in jeopardy along with a whole lot of other records. The BO nerd inside me is getting all giddy, maybe I should go for a walk now ..

 

[PhoncipleBone]

If that comes to fruition then the third weekend record is in jeopardy along with a whole lot of other records. The BO nerd inside me is getting all giddy, maybe I should go for a walk now ..

Third weekend is a crazy number to beat though. But even if Avengers squeaks by on the third weekend number, the fourth weekend would not be possible to top. Only Cameron owns that territory.

 

[BertramCooper]

No, but people know it's Marvel and I guess they just feel bringing all these heroes together in one film without Spider-Man is just sacrilegious, especially when it takes place in NY.

I think you're overestimating the general populace's grasp of what superheroes belong to Marvel and what ones belong to DC.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I think you're overestimating the general populace's grasp of what superheroes belong to Marvel and what ones belong to DC.

At least it's better than people's understanding of which films are Pixar's and which are DWA's. If someone saying they thought Shrek was made by Pixar gets on my tits, I can't imagine what people thinking Batman was a Marvel character would do... :lol

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I think you're overestimating the general populace's grasp of what superheroes belong to Marvel and what ones belong to DC.

True. And most people had no damn clue what the Avengers was a couple of years ago. Most people have no damn clue who any character is, but they still enjoy the movies.

 

[artist]

Third weekend is a crazy number to beat though. But even if Avengers squeaks by on the third weekend number, the fourth weekend would not be possible to top. Only Cameron owns that territory.

Yeah, I said Avengers wont get the third weekend record few pages back since it was such a feat to accomplish. I will gladly eat crow on if that does happen.

And even if it doesnt get the subsequent weekend records but gets the 3rd weekend, then it would end up ridiculously close or surpass Titanic. Whedon truly deserves the king status. He's on top of the world right now.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Yeah, I said Avengers wont get the third weekend record few pages back ..

Regardless even if it doesnt get the subsequent weekend records but gets the 3rd weekend, then it would end up ridiculously close or surpass Titanic. Whedon truly deserves the king status. He's on top of the world right now.

He deserves all the props in the world for how awesome Avengers turned out. But not king of the world. He needs to deliver awesome product over a long period of time like Cameron has. And no, Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse do not count.

 

[BertramCooper]

The mere idea of comparing Joss Whedon to James Cameron gave me a fit of the giggles.

 

[Escape Goat]

But not king of the world.

Hes King of Awesome.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Hes King of Awesome.

Just terrible arching form.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

The mere idea of comparing Joss Whedon to James Cameron gave me a fit of the giggles.

Same. Joss may have delivered a spectacular film in Avengers, but he needs to do this stuff consistently to be seriously talked about in the same breath as Cameron.

Hes King of Awesome.

 

[jett]

There is only one king of the world, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't look like Whedon.

 

[DrForester]

He deserves all the props in the world for how awesome Avengers turned out. But not king of the world. He needs to deliver awesome product over a long period of time like Cameron has. And no, Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse do not count.

Dollhouse and Firefly don't count (though Firefly really has gotten a lot of acclaim after the fact). Buffy and Angel were long running, successful shows though.

 

[artist]

He deserves all the props in the world for how awesome Avengers turned out. But not king of the world. He needs to deliver awesome product over a long period of time like Cameron has. And no, Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse do not count.

I'm intentionally going overboard, hype, hype, hype!

The mere idea of comparing Joss Whedon to James Cameron gave me a fit of the giggles.

Shush

 

[Tobor]

The old King has retired, he doesn't make good movies anymore.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Whedon got the "good film" and "massive B.O. success" part down, he just needs to factor in much greater creative control.

And do it a lot.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Dollhouse and Firefly don't count (though Firefly really has gotten a lot of acclaim after the fact). Buffy and Angel were long running, successful shows though.

That does not make them great though. Good or above average? Yes. Overrated? Hell, yes. Truly great? Nope.

Whedon got the "good film" and "massive B.O. success" part down, he just needs to factor in much greater creative control.

And do it a lot.

If by "creative control" you mean writing every character to have the same exact tone and sense of humor, then please do not let him have "creative control" like he did on his other works.

 

[Escape Goat]

Dollhouse and Firefly don't count (though Firefly really has gotten a lot of acclaim after the fact). Buffy and Angel were long running, successful shows though.

Movie GAF looks down on TV as a lower form of storytelling. Its a popular sentiment in Hollywood.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The old King has retired, he doesn't make good movies anymore.

I'm sure Robopocalypse will be good.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Whedon doesn't even have anything lined up outside of a small indie movie based on a Shakespeare play,

 

[artist]

The old King has retired, he doesn't make good movies anymore.

This man speaketh the truth.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

There is only one king of the world

Yeah, the guy on the far left:

He has 8 of those statue guys.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Movie GAF looks down on TV as a lower form of storytelling. Its a popular sentiment in Hollywood.

Buffy and Angel aren't good TV.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Movie GAF looks down on TV as a lower form of storytelling. Its a popular sentiment in Hollywood.

It is not a lower form of storytelling, it is a different form. TV has so many advantages over film, but so many disadvantages as well. TVs main strength (yet also could be its biggest weakness) is long form storytelling. That is something that movies cannot achieve at all.

 

[Blader]

I'm sure Robopocalypse will be good.

The name is a bad start.

 

[Hot Coldman]

If by "creative control" you mean writing every character to have the same exact tone and sense of humor, then please do not let him have "creative control" like he did on his other works.

Well then, you just explained why Whedon will never be "King".

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Yeah, the guy on the far left:

He has 8 of those statue guys.

That is because Muren is one of the effects gods. Basically, if you see his name attached as an effects supervisor, you are going to see some serious shit.

 

[Dead]

Dollhouse is even worse than a Chris Nolan movie

 

[Escape Goat]

Dollhouse is even worse than a Chris Nolan movie

*stirs the pot*

 

[XiaNaphryz]

That is because Muren is one of the effects gods. Basically, if you see his name attached as an effects supervisor, you are going to see some serious shit.

RIP Mountains of Madness.