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[Oddduck]

I can only list like 5 games that had great graphics on the Wii. 2 of them were the Mario Galaxy games.

 

[AceBandage]

I loved the Wii, own a ton of games, but I wouldn't say the games were stunning. I'd say some, like super mario galaxy, were "amazing looking for a wii game" which is completely different. i agree with fmt here though, if it had the same graphics but hd capability, the wii would have sold even more

How, exactly?
It wouldn't have changed what games it got, and in fact, would have likely just increased the price.

 

[RedSwirl]

there are 0 wii games that "look stunning". i get that art plays a factor into it and personal opinion and blahblahblah but the bottom line is there is no good looking wii game UNLESS you have never played a game on 360/ps3/pc with HD tv/monitor. the games look like shit and it's really hard to go from playing a game like god of war 3 or dead space 2 or whatever you want to name and then going back to something like xenoblade (which i like a lot but it is fucking ugly) on wii.

upgraded HD graphics will not only open up obvious differences in raw graphics but it will allow companies to use more creativity as well because their hands aren't tied by technology that was already outdated when the system launched

I still don't think it really makes sense to compare games graphically between different platforms. It's not really fair to criticize a DS game for its graphics compared to a PSP game or a Wii game. That's not the developer's fault.

I also have no problem going back and forth between high-end PC games (there you also have PC gamers complaining about how all 360 games look like crap) and low-end iPhone games. I guess I'm just really good at scaling my expectations and standards for each game according to its own platform. I've already been visually impressed by 3DS games for instance, despite the PlayStation Vita existing.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

How, exactly?
It wouldn't have changed what games it got, and in fact, would have likely just increased the price.

because this generation was the generation where HDTVs EXPLODED in the market, and people were looking for ways to utilize it. Go to best buy or whatever they'll say to get an xbox 360 or playstation 3 and whatnot and so on to take advantage of your new HDTV.

Definitely would have helped sales. How much is something nobody can say, but it would have helped.

 

[AceBandage]

because this generation was the generation where HDTVs EXPLODED in the market, and people were looking for ways to utilize it. Go to best buy or whatever they'll say to get an xbox 360 or playstation 3 and whatnot and so on.

Definitely would have helped sales. How much is something nobody can say, but it would have helped.

Not by enough to justify the increase in price, I can tell you that much.
No one was buying the 360/PS3 because they were HD. And an HD Wii wouldn't have done anything to help its sales (which are already colossal).

 

[methodman]

How, exactly?
It wouldn't have changed what games it got, and in fact, would have likely just increased the price.

I think people would have looked at the Wii differently if the games looked dolphin quality or a little worse on their tv. gamers are usually pretty studious and well versed in technology, and they can tell that the wii is not producing HD visuals. there would have been a lot more core games that would have bought the wii, along with the amount of casual users, this could have increased the wii sales to an even higher level. oh well, hopefully they do right with both parties with the wii u, which it looks like they are trying

also - wasn't nintendo selling the wii at profit?

 

[AceBandage]

I think people would have looked at the Wii differently if the games looked dolphin quality or a little worse on their tv. gamers are usually pretty studious and well versed in technology, and they can tell that the wii is not producing HD visuals. there would have been a lot more core games that would have bought the wii, along with the amount of casual users, this could have increased the wii sales to an even higher level. oh well, hopefully they do right with both parties with the wii u, which it looks like they are trying

You mean the gamers that flock to sub HD versions of Call of Duty?
Yeah, real studious...

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I still don't think it really makes sense to compare games graphically between different platforms. It's not really fair to criticize a DS game for its graphics compared to a PSP game or a Wii game. That's not the developer's fault.

I also have no problem going back and forth between high-end PC games (there you also have PC gamers complaining about how all 360 games look like crap) and low-end iPhone games. I guess I'm just really good at scaling my expectations and standards for each game according to its own platform. I've already been visually impressed by 3DS games for instance, despite the PlayStation Vita existing.

exactly. that is why i blame nintendo and not the developers of the games. you can say "gameplay is king nothing else matters!" but you have to understand that graphics, gameplay, sound all go together to create a quality product. if graphics don't matter then why did we ever move up from the N64 or psone? i'm sure you could TECHNICALLY create the same gameplay from mario galaxy on the n64. you could also technically keep a lot of the same "gameplay" from your favorite games of today

i think with a more powerful system we will see nintendo and their 3rd parties create better experiences

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Not by enough to justify the increase in price, I can tell you that much.
No one was buying the 360/PS3 because they were HD. And an HD Wii wouldn't have done anything to help its sales (which are already colossal).

I think that's a pretty bold claim. I think you're wrong to reject the idea that there exists a notable market of people who chase after certain experiences be it motion gaming, or be it HD gaming, or online gaming (or both!).

I'm not gonna argue whether it would have been worthwhile, but potentially it could have helped. As for the logistics and nintendo's bottom line, it's hard to argue where they got now, wii sold like hotcakes hardware wise. On the development side and game sales side, well it goes without saying HD would have helped.

 

[AceBandage]

I think that's a pretty bold claim. I think you're wrong to reject the idea that there exists a notable market of people who chase after certain experiences be it motion gaming, or be it HD gaming, or online gaming (or both!).

I'm not gonna argue whether it would have been worthwhile, but potentially it could have helped. As for the logistics and nintendo's bottom line, it's hard to argue where they got now, wii sold like hotcakes hardware wise. On the development side and game sales side, well it goes without saying HD would have helped.

Except that being HD with the same graphics (the original argument that was made) it wouldn't have gotten any different games.
At all.
It still would have suffered from a lack of 360/PS3 level shaders and RAM. So, we'd have an increase in price for basically no gain, other than making a couple of forum goers happier.

 

[Oddduck]

Nintendo holding back on graphics only has a small percentage to do with cost/price of hardware. Nintendo is really just scared about game budgets exploding and needing larger teams to make games. Ever since Iwata became president, the guy repeats himself like a parrot about how they are lacking resources to make games. They had to get Retro's help on Mario Kart 7. They had to get Monolithsoft's help on Skyward Sword. So obviously Nintendo feels they are low on staff, and low on teams to work on a bunch of AAA projects. Especially when their teams are divided up on 3DS too.

Nintendo doesn't want to raise the bar on graphics because then they'll be forced to meet that high bar with all of their games. And they don't want to spend that kind of money.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Not by enough to justify the increase in price, I can tell you that much.
No one was buying the 360/PS3 because they were HD. And an HD Wii wouldn't have done anything to help its sales (which are already colossal).

take a look at the wii's sales (hardware and software) from the past couple years and compare it to 360

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Except that being HD with the same graphics (the original argument that was made) it wouldn't have gotten any different games.
At all.

yeah but I'm sure a lot of wii owners also owned other systems. Now if they got the same games, maybe they don't go and buy it for ps360 and instead get it for the Wii because why not.

 

[methodman]

Except that being HD with the same graphics (the original argument that was made) it wouldn't have gotten any different games.
At all.
It still would have suffered from a lack of 360/PS3 level shaders and RAM. So, we'd have an increase in price for basically no gain, other than making a couple of forum goers happier.

But that's what he, and I, said. Skyward Sword in HD looks stunning, so does Mario Galaxy. On the TV, it does not look nearly as good (even though the art style is incredible).

 

[AceBandage]

take a look at the wii's sales (hardware and software) from the past couple years and compare it to 360

yeah but I'm sure a lot of wii owners also owned other systems. Now if they got the same games, maybe they don't go and buy it for ps360 and instead get it for the Wii because why not.

Right, but how would being HD with the same graphics that the Wii outputs now help the situation?

Again, this is the original argument that I countered.

But that's what he, and I, said. Skyward Sword in HD looks stunning, so does Mario Galaxy. On the TV, it does not look nearly as good (even though the art style is incredible).

It looks good with added AA and upressing and what not. It would not, however, have been able to run any of the games that the 360 and PS3 could run. So, how would it have helped sales? It would have just made a few forum goers happier. That's all.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Yeah, to add a tacked-on multiplayer component nobody will play and will suck anyway.

I hate the truth :/

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Right, but how would being HD with the same graphics that the Wii outputs now help the situation?

Again, this is the original argument that I countered.

oh it wouldn't. my main point to begin with was that i'm tired of nintendo skimping out on horsepower, which is what they did with the wii and 3ds and etc etc. nintendo needs to release a modern system that can at least match what xbox 360/ps3 can do now (not just upscaling wii games to 720p)

 

[EDarkness]

Ace, it isn't even worth getting into this argument. People will have their opinion on the matter and there's no changing it. I personally own pretty much every system out there and have no problems jumping back and forth. The Wii was my most played system by a large margin, but I don't expect this to be true for other people. Getting into these kinds of discussions never leads to anywhere good.

 

[AceBandage]

oh it wouldn't. my main point to begin with was that i'm tired of nintendo skimping out on horsepower, which is what they did with the wii and 3ds and etc etc. nintendo needs to release a modern system that can at least match what xbox 360/ps3 can do now (not just upscaling wii games to 720p)

So.... The Wii U?

Also, I don't see how the 3DS is skimping on power.

 

[Linkhero1]

I can only list like 5 games that had great graphics on the Wii. 2 of them were the Mario Galaxy games.

I can only list two (that I played) and you named them

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

So.... The Wii U?

back to my original point! that is what i'm hoping for!

 

[MYE]

there are 0 wii games that "look stunning". i get that art plays a factor into it and personal opinion and blahblahblah but the bottom line is there is no good looking wii game UNLESS you have never played a game on 360/ps3/pc with HD tv/monitor. the games look like shit and it's really hard to go from playing a game like god of war 3 or dead space 2 or whatever you want to name and then going back to something like xenoblade (which i like a lot but it is fucking ugly) on wii.

upgraded HD graphics will not only open up obvious differences in raw graphics but it will allow companies to use more creativity as well because their hands aren't tied by technology that was already outdated when the system launched

You are telling people that they are wrong for finding a sub-PS3/360 game stunning?

Are you kidding me? At least try to not make it sound like you're obnoxiously stating a fact.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

there are 0 wii games that "look stunning". i get that art plays a factor into it and personal opinion and blahblahblah but the bottom line is there is no good looking wii game UNLESS you have never played a game on 360/ps3/pc with HD tv/monitor. the games look like shit and it's really hard to go from playing a game like god of war 3 or dead space 2 or whatever you want to name and then going back to something like xenoblade (which i like a lot but it is fucking ugly) on wii.

upgraded HD graphics will not only open up obvious differences in raw graphics but it will allow companies to use more creativity as well because their hands aren't tied by technology that was already outdated when the system launched

Huh.

 

[AceBandage]

back to my original point! that is what i'm hoping for!

Hoping for?
It's been confirmed for like... a year.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think PS1 games look stunning and everyone who thinks I'm wrong sounds like they're obnoxiously stating a fact.

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE

NO GAME WILL EVER LOOK THIS GOOD AGAIN

 

[Apophis2036]

Nintendo holding back on graphics only has a small percentage to do with cost/price of hardware. Nintendo is really just scared about game budgets exploding and needing larger teams to make games. Ever since Iwata became president, the guy repeats himself like a parrot about how they are lacking resources to make games. They had to get Retro's help on Mario Kart 7. They had to get Monolithsoft's help on Skyward Sword. So obviously Nintendo feels they are low on staff, and low on teams to work on a bunch of AAA projects. Especially when their teams are divided up on 3DS too.

Nintendo doesn't want to raise the bar on graphics because then they'll be forced to meet that high bar with all of their games. And they don't want to spend that kind of money.

Which is exactly why im expecting Pikmin 3, NSMB Wii U and maybe one other first party game out of Starfox, F Zero, Waverace, Pilot Wings for launch day / window.

People actually expecting Metroid Prime 4, Mario Universe, Zelda, Smash Bros, Miyamotos new IP ect are going to be very disappointed im affraid.

Expect the usual from Nintendo, two or three good first party launch / launch window games then the LONG wait and staggered releases of Mario 3D, Mario Kart, Zelda, Smash Bros and Metroid.

Unless they go sequel crazy and milk the hell out of their main IP's then i expect those 5 games ^^ to be the big game of Winter for Wii U, for the next 5 years until 2017.

If like me you are buying a Wii U only for Nintendo games then understand there is a LOT of waiting around, how long did Skyward Sword take to develop, 5 years ?, yeah were not going to see a Zelda game that looks like the tech demo untill 2014 at the earliest.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

oh it wouldn't. my main point to begin with was that i'm tired of nintendo skimping out on horsepower, which is what they did with the wii and 3ds and etc etc. nintendo needs to release a modern system that can at least match what xbox 360/ps3 can do now (not just upscaling wii games to 720p)

Well yeah. Is there any reasonable doubt about that though? I mean last E3 pretty much confirmed that if anything.

I would also argue that Nintendo didn't skimp so much on the 3DS like you think, it's just that the PSVita went the extra mile. Remember the 3DS is outputting to two screens and one in 3D. I'm not saying the 3DS is a graphical powerhouse or anything, but it is a very sizable upgrade over the DS and in even someways the PSP. It's not like they did what they did with the Wii where they took their last gen tech and attached some shiny new features to it.

 

[GameplayWhore]

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE

http://i.imgur.com/u9Vtc.jpg

NO GAME WILL EVER LOOK THIS GOOD AGAIN

That game is stunning. What is it?

 

[MYE]

I think PS1 games look stunning and everyone who thinks I'm wrong sounds like they're obnoxiously stating a fact.

Correct

 

[ShockingAlberto]

That game is stunning. What is it?

SaGa Frontier 2

It is not a great game, but motherfucker is it ever beautiful.

 

[Starphoenix]

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE

NO GAME WILL EVER LOOK THIS GOOD AGAIN

How this game never got the recognition it deserves is beyond me. Sure, it had it's faults, but if you can get past them it is pretty good. The music was phenomenal.

 

[AceBandage]

Well, "specs" have just come from rumors; not officially confirmed by Nintendo.

Unless you believe the Wii U is weaker than the 360/PS3, then it's at least as powerful as them.
Which is what he says Nintendo needs.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I would non-sarcastically call this game stunning

But what do I know.

 

[Hot Coldman]

It's not hard to make a game that excels in spite of the hardware, you just need to get a couple things done amazingly well and have everything else be competent. The Wii has plenty of games that do this. These games will probably always look good, unless something comes along and does pretty much the exact same things but with a higher polygon count.

Hell, sometimes games use that lack of power to their advantage (and I'm not talking about being in SD to blur things). Crash Bandicoot games use the PS1's limited polygon count to create some wonderful exaggerated cartoon animations and characters, things that would probably be way harder to pull off today, given the increased complexity of models and such.

Any game console can have stunning games, and it's not dependent on the era in which you view them at all.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Well, "specs" have just come from rumors; not officially confirmed by Nintendo.

I believe he may be speaking about the Garden demo, which used real-time graphics and seemed, according to most who looked closely, capable of at-least-360-quality graphics, rendered simultaneously in two separate viewpoints to two separate screens (one 720p, the other 480p).

 

[Spieler Eins]

I would non-sarcastically call this game stunning

But what do I know.

Was going to say Epic Yarn. We also need the Muramasa gif.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

You are telling people that they are wrong for finding a sub-PS3/360 game stunning?

Are you kidding me? At least try to not make it sound like you're obnoxiously stating a fact.

i'm saying if you literally find the graphics in any wii game "stunning" then i'm curious as to how you would describe even an average 360/ps3/pc game

 

[GameplayWhore]

I would non-sarcastically call this game stunning

http://i.imgur.com/fppTn.jpg

But what do I know.

*waits patiently for somebody to post Yoshi's Island screenshot*

 

[Javier]

As far as stunning games on the Wii go:

And it looks a lot better on the screen.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

i'm saying if you literally find the graphics in any wii game "stunning" then i'm curious as to how you would describe even an average 360/ps3/pc game

Hold on now.

If we're judging things in graphical tiers, which I have no problem with, we can't put PC together with the rest.

Mainly because my main beef with PS360 games comes down to IQ, resolution, AA, and framerate, all things where the PC runs circles around them.

 

[BY2K]

I would non-sarcastically call this game stunning

But what do I know.

GameTrailers gave it the Best Looking Game of E3 award.

GAMETRAILERS. BEST LOOKING GAME. A WII GAME!

 

[AceBandage]

i'm saying if you literally find the graphics in any wii game "stunning" then i'm curious as to how you would describe even an average 360/ps3/pc game

Completely depends on the game.

Personally, I find games like God of War 3 fairly boring looking. Big production value, sure, but boring.
Though, Uncharted (especially 2) has some gorgeous environments.

And this game:

Barely even pushes the system, but looks amazing.

As far as stunning games on the Wii go:

And it looks a lot better on the screen.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

As far as stunning games on the Wii go:

And it looks a lot better on the screen.

i own the game, its a lot of fun. the graphics are not stunning at all. but i think we're getting off-topic here. if you find graphics in wii games stunning then thumbs up

 

[MYE]

i'm saying if you literally find the graphics in any wii game "stunning" then i'm curious as to how you would describe even an average 360/ps3/pc game

Seems like you're assuming that, to me, the level of stunningness is directly related to how technically advanced a game is.

Its not.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Hold on now.

If we're judging things in graphical tiers, which I have no problem with, we can't put PC together with the rest.

Mainly because my main beef with PS360 games comes down to IQ, resolution, AA, and framerate, all things where the PC runs circles around them.

100% agree with you!

 

[BlackJace]

oh it wouldn't. my main point to begin with was that i'm tired of nintendo skimping out on horsepower, which is what they did with the wii and 3ds and etc etc. nintendo needs to release a modern system that can at least match what xbox 360/ps3 can do now (not just upscaling wii games to 720p)

Once again, one generation of having the weakest console, and everyone believes Nintendo's always "skimped" out on power.

It's enough insanity to make me punch kittens.

 

[Penguin]

GameTrailers gave it the Best Looking Game of E3 award.

GAMETRAILERS. BEST LOOKING GAME. A WII GAME!

And I remember the stink that caused on their site.

Good day.
Good day

 

[ShockingAlberto]

100% agree with you!

And despite this, I don't necessarily think all PS360 games are precluded from looking nice from an artistic perspective.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

And despite this, I don't necessarily think all PS360 games are precluded from looking nice from an artistic perspective.

if you said "hey that wii game looks nice" alright, i can buy that. but STUNNING? hyperbole

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Completely depends on the game.

Personally, I find games like God of War 3 fairly boring looking. Big production value, sure, but boring.
Though, Uncharted (especially 2) has some gorgeous environments.

And this game:

Barely even pushes the system, but looks amazing.

Really? Seriously now?

I mean, I'm not agreeing with FMT here, but woah now.