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TheSeks said:
Can't you get "boosters" from those bots in M:tG:O?
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You can, but they're usually full price or maybe even more. Only more recent sets will have them somewhat 'discounted". Example, DA is $93 on Amazon for 36 packs. That comes out to about $2.60 per pack. On the Cardbot chain, DA packs are $2.85. Not a significant markup but if you're buying them by the hundreds you're losing out. Also, cards are worth less on MTGO because of the oversupply from people constantly drafting 24/7. Snapcasters are $20 in the paper game, but only $7 on MTGO. Doesn't apply to all rares/mythics but it's true for a lot of them.
 
I have been tooling around with a chalice deck forever. One of these days...

TheSeks said:
Can't you get "boosters" from those bots in M:tG:O?
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So much of the fun of cracking boosters is missing from mtgo...I am a huge pack addict and cracking digital packs just didn't do it for me ;p Also, no discount for buying bulk. Definitely stick to singles.
 
Dat new card smell.

::sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiff::

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
 
Haly said:
Dat new card smell.

::sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiff::

aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
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It's one of those smells that takes me back to the mid 90's, being a teenager and cracking boosters.
 
*buys random booster at grocery store*

*gets a Tamiyo*

*fist pump*

I swear I get the exact ratio of awesome cards to string me along buying boosters forever.
 
ultron87 said:
*buys random booster at grocery store*

*gets a Tamiyo*

*fist pump*

I swear I get the exact ratio of awesome cards to string me along buying boosters forever.
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Heck yeah! I always buy a random pack when I go grocery shopping. Score most of dual lands, planeswalkers, and a foil Sword of Feast and Famine that way.
 
ultron87 said:
*buys random booster at grocery store*

*gets a Tamiyo*

*fist pump*

I swear I get the exact ratio of awesome cards to string me along buying boosters forever.
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Hate you haha Bought 12 packs yesterday, 6 for me, 6 for a friend and we constructed decks from those cards. My point? He paid me for the packs I picked up -- he pulled a Cavern and a Gisela. I pulled another of those blue reflection cards. Now I have like 40 of them. My deck won though, as odd as my black-white combo was.
 
Ok guys.. trying to make a standard deck. Red/black. Im at 70 cards now.. i have cut down a lot BUT im not sure what i can take out or put in as a substitute that will help me. Its a fun deck for me, maybe semi serious. Ive only checked the Innistrad block so far.
Most of the creatures will damage you when they die, or damage you/heal me, or damage you when i attack etc. Took some DD to supplement the damage. Some enchantments that will help me do more damage or even help my creatures come out faster and kill themselves faster.

Creatures

Falkenrath Noble x 3
Pitchburn Devils x 3
Rage Thrower x 3
Forge Devil x 3
Hellrider x 3
Blood Artist x 4
Soulcage Fiend x 3
Vexing Devil x 4

Enchantments

Heartless Summoning x 2
Curse of Bloodletting x 3
Exquisite Blood x 3

Land

Swamp x 8
Mountain x 8

Spells

Bump in the Night x 3
Brimstone Volley x 3
Infernal Plunge x 3
Fires of Undeath x 3
Essence Harvest x 3
Thunderbolt x 3
Thunderous Wrath x 2
 
sammich said:
Ok guys.. trying to make a standard deck. Red/black. Im at 70 cards now.. i have cut down a lot BUT im not sure what i can take out or put in as a substitute that will help me. Its a fun deck for me, maybe semi serious. Ive only checked the Innistrad block so far.
Most of the creatures will damage you when they die, or damage you/heal me, or damage you when i attack etc. Took some DD to supplement the damage. Some enchantments that will help me do more damage or even help my creatures come out faster and kill themselves faster.

Creatures

Falkenrath Noble x 3
Pitchburn Devils x 3
Rage Thrower x 3
Forge Devil x 3
Hellrider x 3
Blood Artist x 4
Soulcage Fiend x 3
Vexing Devil x 4

Enchantments

Heartless Summoning x 2
Curse of Bloodletting x 3
Exquisite Blood x 3

Land

Swamp x 8
Mountain x 8

Spells

Bump in the Night x 3
Brimstone Volley x 3
Infernal Plunge x 3
Fires of Undeath x 3
Essence Harvest x 3
Thunderbolt x 3
Thunderous Wrath x 2
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Pretty mana heavy spells and only 16 land means you're going to get mana screwed pretty much every game. You need 22-24 mana. Rage thrower is too expensive to be useful at all.
 
sammich said:
Ok guys.. trying to make a standard deck. Red/black. Im at 70 cards now.. i have cut down a lot BUT im not sure what i can take out or put in as a substitute that will help me. Its a fun deck for me, maybe semi serious. Ive only checked the Innistrad block so far.
Most of the creatures will damage you when they die, or damage you/heal me, or damage you when i attack etc. Took some DD to supplement the damage. Some enchantments that will help me do more damage or even help my creatures come out faster and kill themselves faster.

Creatures

Falkenrath Noble x 3
Pitchburn Devils x 3
Rage Thrower x 3
Forge Devil x 3
Hellrider x 3
Blood Artist x 4
Soulcage Fiend x 3
Vexing Devil x 4

Enchantments

Heartless Summoning x 2
Curse of Bloodletting x 3
Exquisite Blood x 3

Land

Swamp x 8
Mountain x 8

Spells

Bump in the Night x 3
Brimstone Volley x 3
Infernal Plunge x 3
Fires of Undeath x 3
Essence Harvest x 3
Thunderbolt x 3
Thunderous Wrath x 2
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Rebuild the deck starting with the most important key cards. Force your maindeck list to never go above 36 spells. (16 lands is suicide since you have no spells to help your mana). Once you get the core core cards in, start substituting in cards you think are necessary.

General rules i use for how many of each card to put in the deck:

4x if i really need this card in my starting hand
3x if the card is important but okay if i dont start with it
2x important, likely a higher costing card, probably dont need in starting hand.
1x not part of the deck's main strategy/combo but is a bomb. Wouldnt ever count on drawing this, but good to have in case i ever draw it.

Obviously, those rules change with the type of deck it is, but i think it's a good guideline for a medium speed deck
 
Well im down to 62 now with this:

Creatures:

Falkenrath Noble x 3
Pitchburn Devils x 3
Forge Devil x 3
Hellrider x 3
Blood Artist x 3
Soulcage Fiend x 3
Vexing Devil x 4

Land

Dragonskull Summit x 4
Cavern of Souls x 4
Swamp x 6
Mountain x 6

Spells

Bump in the Night x 3
Brimstone Volley x 3
Infernal Plunge x 3
Fires of Undeath x 3
Essence Harvest x 3
Thunderbolt x 3
Thunderous Wrath x 2
 
I'd drop Infernal Plunge and find another 1-drop creature. Maybe Reckless Waif. You really want to get something out on turn 1 with the heavy aggro strategy.
 
ultron87 said:
I'd drop Infernal Plunge and find another 1-drop creature. Maybe Reckless Waif. You really want to get something out on turn 1 with the heavy aggro strategy.
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I dont like reckless waif as it doesnt really do what i want to accomplish. Him killing my waif doesnt do anything to him. I dont really care if my creatures die as you take damage for killing any of them. If you dont kill it i attack. If its a stale mate, ill kill my own creatures or DD you to death. For that reason i rather take a goblin fireslinger or a goblin arsonist instead. I took infernal plunge to get the bigger dudes like rage thrower out faster.. or even take something like a mass nuke spell like Bonfire of the damned or Blasphemous act
 
I'd put in 4x Stromkirk Nobles and 4x Stormblood Beserkers. I tried Falkenrath Noble and he's just too weak and slow for my likings. Lose Bump in the Night for another kill card like Gut Shot or Pillar of Flames. It's better to remove their creatures vs doing quick dmg and having no sustain.
 
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Hey guys,

Another Q. Standard Is Innistrad + M12 right + whatever else thats getting phased out soon? What if i have a card from M11 that was also re-printed in M12 like Dragonskull Summit that i want to use in my Standard deck. Is it still legal for me to use the M11 card or are they that strict that it should be a M12 card? I can see both sides but just wondering if there is a hard set rule to it.
 
sammich said:
Hey guys,

Another Q. Standard Is Innistrad + M12 right + whatever else thats getting phased out soon? What if i have a card from M11 that was also re-printed in M12 like Dragonskull Summit that i want to use in my Standard deck. Is it still legal for me to use the M11 card or are they that strict that it should be a M12 card? I can see both sides but just wondering if there is a hard set rule to it.
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Nope, the M11 card is fine. You can play with any printed version of a card as long as one version has been printed in a legal set. I could use a Birds of Paradise from 1994 if I had one.
 
sammich said:
Hey guys,

Another Q. Standard Is Innistrad + M12 right + whatever else thats getting phased out soon? What if i have a card from M11 that was also re-printed in M12 like Dragonskull Summit that i want to use in my Standard deck. Is it still legal for me to use the M11 card or are they that strict that it should be a M12 card? I can see both sides but just wondering if there is a hard set rule to it.
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Anything with a standard MTG back (aside from the flip cards) and a white or black border is tournament legal, so long as the card is included in a tournament legal set. So yes, your Summit is legal, regardless of printing so long as it has the proper border and back.
 
sammich said:
Hey guys,

Another Q. Standard Is Innistrad + M12 right + whatever else thats getting phased out soon? What if i have a card from M11 that was also re-printed in M12 like Dragonskull Summit that i want to use in my Standard deck. Is it still legal for me to use the M11 card or are they that strict that it should be a M12 card? I can see both sides but just wondering if there is a hard set rule to it.
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All printed versions of a card that is in standard is legal. So you can use alpha llanowar elves if you want.
 
Sweet!.. thanks. Im a sucker for shinys(Foils) so i bought 4 of them not realizing that they were from M11 instead of M12. Didnt pay enough attention.
 
However M12 is going to rotate out in October, so if they don't reprint the summits in M13 then they'll be unusuable in five months. I only mention this because Ravnica is probably going to be a multicolor environment and I'm not sure if they'll print duals in both the core set and the block.
 
I'd hope that they keep the allied duals as a Core block staple. Keep it so someone can just pick a set of those up and be content with their dual land situation for the future.
 
The_Technomancer said:
However M12 is going to rotate out in October, so if they don't reprint the summits in M13 then they'll be unusuable in five months. I only mention this because Ravnica is probably going to be a multicolor environment and I'm not sure if they'll print duals in both the core set and the block.
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What else is rotating out, just m12? So it will be m13 + Innistrad block? Sorry for all the noob questions. I cant access much at work to find all this out.
 
ultron87 said:
I'd hope that they keep the allied duals as a Core block staple. Keep it so someone can just pick a set of those up and be content with their dual land situation for the future.
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Yea I'm going to be choked if they don't reprint the dual lands for m13.
 
The_Technomancer said:
However M12 is going to rotate out in October, so if they don't reprint the summits in M13 then they'll be unusuable in five months. I only mention this because Ravnica is probably going to be a multicolor environment and I'm not sure if they'll print duals in both the core set and the block.
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They probably will reprint the allied colour M10/11/12 lands (they clearly like the tapped condition on them as they used it on the Innistrad enemy colour ones as well) and reprint the Rav shock lands through the next block with 3/4 in each set. They've made it clear they want to reprint Modern staples and these lands are the obvious ones. It's also worth pointing out mana bases in standard right now are pretty bad in comparison to past sets so there is room for them to improve with 2 dual lands on every colour pair rather than just allied.
 
The_Technomancer said:
However M12 is going to rotate out in October, so if they don't reprint the summits in M13 then they'll be unusuable in five months. I only mention this because Ravnica is probably going to be a multicolor environment and I'm not sure if they'll print duals in both the core set and the block.
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Why wouldn't they? They had duals in the Scars block.
 
Anyone have any advice for my current RDW?


24x Mountain

4x Vexing Devil
3x Stormblood Berserker * (I want 4)
2x Stromkirk Noble * (I want 4)
4x Chandra's Phoenix *(Maybe drop one or two?)

1x Reforge the Soul *(I want 3?)
3x Arc Trail

3x Galvanic Blast
4x Incinerate
2x Brimstone Volley
2x Volt Charge

4x Shrine of Burning Rage

2x Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded
2x Chandra, the Firebrand

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Unsure of which Instants/Sorceries to keep. Volt Charge works well with so many things, my Planeswalkers, my Noble/Berserker, my Shrine, etc, so maybe I should go back up to 3 or 4. I like having 2 of Tibalt and Chandra. Fun cards.
 
Venfayth said:
Anyone have any advice for my current RDW?


24x Mountain

4x Vexing Devil
3x Stormblood Berserker * (I want 4)
2x Stromkirk Noble * (I want 4)
4x Chandra's Phoenix *(Maybe drop one or two?)

1x Reforge the Soul *(I want 3?)
3x Arc Trail

3x Galvanic Blast
4x Incinerate
2x Brimstone Volley
2x Volt Charge

4x Shrine of Burning Rage

2x Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded
2x Chandra, the Firebrand

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Unsure of which Instants/Sorceries to keep. Volt Charge works well with so many things, my Planeswalkers, my Noble/Berserker, my Shrine, etc, so maybe I should go back up to 3 or 4. I like having 2 of Tibalt and Chandra. Fun cards.
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Looks like a pretty solid list, though I'm not the biggest fan of new Chandra. May want to trim back on her, and replace her with a couple of Goblin Fireslingers, and some Gut Shots. Both cards will lower your mana curve quite a bit, and help make sure you can play bloodthirsty Stormblood Breserker asap.

How have Tibalt and Reforge the Soul been working for you?
 
Keru_Shiri said:
Looks like a pretty solid list, though I'm not the biggest fan of new Chandra. May want to trim back on her, and replace her with a couple of Goblin Fireslingers, and some Gut Shots. Both cards will lower your mana curve quite a bit, and help make sure you can play bloodthirsty Stormblood Breserker asap.

How have Tibalt and Reforge the Soul been working for you?
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Tibalt is awkward.

Tibalt is great for .. not dying. Heh. He doesn't really have much value for doing anything to your opponent unless they're playing a blue deck (his -4 is awesome if they havent spent their hand, and they can't really deal with him since he's out on turn 2) and otherwise people tend to attack him, because his -6 is scary. But really, I think the smartest thing to do against someone playing a Tibalt is just to ignore him until he's at 5 or so.

But his +1 is nicest when you don't have the best cards in your hand. It's tough to draw a great hand with Tibalt in it, because then I have to choose if I want to risk my great cards by building him up. Conversely, drawing a shitty hand with Tibalt in it makes it inherently stronger, as you have no cares about using his +1 and you get to burn through your cards really quickly.

Reforge the Soul is AMAZING. If I play one on turn 5 or 6, It's really hard to lose. 5 CMC is almost too low, IMO, because turn 5 is about when I've exhausted my hand of cards anyway. It doesn't need to be miracled, but the miracle is a big bonus.

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Yeah, I may just drop Chandra completely. But she was my first planeswalker :( My first love.
 
I almost want to say that Koth would be a good replacement for Chandra. He's also a 4-drop, his ultimate will help you finish off control decks if you can get it off, and the boost from his -2 might be just what you need to accelerate into a flood to cinch up the game.
 
The_Technomancer said:
I almost want to say that Koth would be a good replacement for Chandra. He's also a 4-drop, his ultimate will help you finish off control decks if you can get it off, and the boost from his -2 might be just what you need to accelerate into a flood to cinch up the game.
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Hmm yeah, I'm definitely liking the Koth idea a bit more now that I'm taking a hard look at him. Will probably replace her with him as soon as I can get my hand on a couple!

edit: If I use his +1 and the mountain gets Doom Bladed or something, does it go into the graveyard, or does it go back to being a land? O.o
 
Venfayth said:
Hmm yeah, I'm definitely liking the Koth idea a bit more now that I'm taking a hard look at him. Will probably replace her with him as soon as I can get my hand on a couple!

edit: If I use his +1 and the mountain gets Doom Bladed or something, does it go into the graveyard, or does it go back to being a land? O.o
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Yeah, it does open them up to killing your mountains, that's the biggest drawback to him. One other thing I just noticed though is that there's a level of redundancy in having both Chandra and Tibalt in your deck since their ultimates are so similar.
 
Venfayth said:
Hmm yeah, I'm definitely liking the Koth idea a bit more now that I'm taking a hard look at him. Will probably replace her with him as soon as I can get my hand on a couple!

edit: If I use his +1 and the mountain gets Doom Bladed or something, does it go into the graveyard, or does it go back to being a land? O.o
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Graveyard. Learned that thanks to liquimetal coating...
 
Venfayth said:
Hmm yeah, I'm definitely liking the Koth idea a bit more now that I'm taking a hard look at him. Will probably replace her with him as soon as I can get my hand on a couple!

edit: If I use his +1 and the mountain gets Doom Bladed or something, does it go into the graveyard, or does it go back to being a land? O.o
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It does, but being mono-red, you can recover from that a lot easier than most other decks, thanks to your low curve. Plus, if they're blasting one of your mountains, then they're leaving your creatures alone, theoretically.

Chandra Nalaar was my first walker, so I know that feel bro. New Chandra belongs in decks with big sorceries that can abuse her -2. Also, untapping with Koth, firing off a Volt Charge, then nabbing his emblem is immensely satisfying.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Yeah, it does open them up to killing your mountains, that's the biggest drawback to him. One other thing I just noticed though is that there's a level of redundancy in having both Chandra and Tibalt in your deck since their ultimates are so similar.
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It's RDW who cares if they kill your mountains.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
It does, but being mono-red, you can recover from that a lot easier than most other decks, thanks to your low curve. Plus, if they're blasting one of your mountains, then they're leaving your creatures alone, theoretically.
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f0rk said:
It's RDW who cares if they kill your mountains.
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Oh, yeah, I know. It wasn't really a concern of mine, I was just curious about how the mechanic of a land becoming a creature works if it's killed. :p

Keru_Shiri said:
Chandra Nalaar was my first walker, so I know that feel bro. New Chandra belongs in decks with big sorceries that can abuse her -2. Also, untapping with Koth, firing off a Volt Charge, then nabbing his emblem is immensely satisfying.
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Yeah, I loved her -2 when I first started playing her. Granted, my deck was WAY worse, but repeating big spells is so fun >:D Too bad it can't work with miracles.
 
Really though, they've only printed three planeswalkers over the years that, try as I might, I cannot figure out how to build them into a good deck. That's a pretty good record I think
(Well, technically four, but the pros all run Garruk Relentless, so they must know something I don't)
 
I just always use Garruk Relentless wrong. And/or only ever get to play him in a situation where he won't survive anyway. The fact that one of my friends really loves fliers probably helps this conception, since he can't really protect himself from those.
 
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